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23.8.2010

How to avoid serving in the Finnish army

Every male Finnish citizen must join the army or face the consequences. It’s 2010, yet the country still fears Russia could invade at any moment (after their embarrassment during the winter war, the Ruskies willl be sure to attack during the summer) …yet the Russians haven’t scared the Finns enough to join NATO – so at about age 18, fresh out of high school, Finnish boys leave home for the first time and spend six months running around in the woods.

The women folk say, “They leave as boys, and come back as men!”, but it’s more like, “They leave as boys, and come back as alcoholic boys.”

Why don’t Finnish women have to join the army?

Finnish law states that Finnish women are paid 20% less than their male counterpart for doing the exact same job. (Also, “periods” and “childbirth” are cited as being tougher than joining the army)

This sounds like a shit deal – how do I weasel my way out?

Most Finnish boys join the army fresh out of high school, right before their first year in college (or working at Hesburger), so they don’t piss away six months of their life later on, when life really matters. Finns have up until their 30th birthday to join or else they’re sent to prison. But if you have trouble holding on to slippery soap in the shower, here’s some army alternatives…

Civil Service – Would you rather fingerbang your girlfriend than sleep in tents with boys? Well then join the civil service…and everyone will say you’re “gay”! Or you’re “a communist”. Instead of six months in the forest, you’ll spend one year performing some meaningless task for the state. You get to enjoy yourself like any young adult should, but the entire Finnish society will ridicule you until you die: Your father will be ashamed of you, your friends will make fun of you, your neighbors will talk behind your back, and your future perspective employers will turn you down from jobs.

Become a Jehovah’s Witness – All other religions must do their civic duty, but somehow the Jehovah’s Witnesses are immune because violence is against their religion. Do you also believe in non-violence but don’t believe in some sort of magical sky daddy who won’t wake you from the dead until the Earth is free of sin? Tough sky-shit! But the JW’s have a civic duty of their own: knocking on stranger’s doors and handing out copies of The Watchtower. I don’t know about you, but I’d take six months in the forest or a lifetime of being gay over that!

Don’t be Finnish – If you’re a foreigner in Finland, and you’re thinking of applying for Finnish citizenship cause you met some cute blonde chic, and now you’d like to impress your friends back home with dual-citizenship…wait until your 30th birthday – then you don’t need to join the army. It’ll take you until you’re 30 years-old anyways to learn Finnish to pass the citizenship exam, so don’t worry. (or in my case, until I’m 90)

Flee the country – Definitely the longest alternative – some have chosen to flee the country for several years hoping that their prison sentence will have expired upon their return. …just like Bill Clinton.

Don’t Pass Go, Go Directly to Jail – Finnish prisons aren’t so bad. In fact they’re some of the finest in the world. There’s more freedoms than North Korea, cooler weather than Afghanistan, and better food than Great Britian. Zing!

Tell’em you’re gay! – Wrong country, that only works in the United States.

  • Anonymous

    You forgot another important alternative: a psychiatrist can write a statement that one has mental problems. It is rather easy to get such a statement even if you don’t have genuine mental problems. The statement will exempt from military and non-military services.

  • http://www.finlandforthought.net Phil

    Oh that’s a good one. Can’t be giving guns and live ammo to crazy people.

  • rane

    Prison option is not that bad. Even you do some time, you don’t end up in a real prison. I don’t know what it’s called in English but we use term ‘open prison’. It’s like a cheap roadhouse motel. And you can also work or study at the same time.

    Finnish army isn’t actually that bad either. After the first month all you do there is sleep and eat.

  • oh

    Rane – depends entirely on which service branch and discipline you end up in after basic training.

  • http://www.mikko.gr Mike

    Being gay works also on the Greek army.

  • x

    “They leave as boys, and come back as alcoholic boys.”
    lol

  • Winter (Go Protons, Cancer in remission, will soon be removed from “Dead Man Walking” video.

    If you get a sex change? Do you get out? Become an it?

  • me

    Other alternative: be a muslim or a russian, then they won’t take you there.

    I’ve heard recently that the military training camps run out of combat boots, they are using rubber shoes now instead :) , so it sounds like collecting mushrooms lol..

  • http://funnyfinland.blogspot.com finophile

    perhaps I missed it, but what was the answer to “Why don’t Finnish women have to join the army?” apart from it being a bad deal? Like why is it not compulsory for them? Should be part of equality if you ask me.

  • thrr

    As far as I know, you *can* be relieved if you are gay and believe that the service would cause anxiety.

    There was also a report (e.g. Aamulehti: “Puolustusvoimat ei enää kysy, alokkaan ei tarvitse kertoa”) a month ago mentioning a person who said he would’ve wanted to go in 2005 but was forbidden due to him being gay. That is apparently not the usual practice, though. The main point of the article is that people are no longer asked if they are gay, though it is a little short on details (i.e. when did this happen and if is this nationwide decision). I was certainly asked it a few years back.

    @me: There were several Russians in my company when I served a few years ago. I’m not sure if they had dual citizenship, though, or if they only had a Finnish one now, which would probably explain it if what you say is true.

  • itm

    Actually going to the forest for 6 months isn’t a bad option either. Once you have a job , wife and kids, you will understand that it was the best of times. To live in a sub-society where you just have to tell what you are told and in exchange you get free food, fresh clothes, a place to sleep in and exercise to keep you healthy. Also you will have tons of free time and you get to grill sausages on the stove in the woods. You are also paid for this fun..

  • Big Spender

    You’d be wary of the ruskies too if you’d been bullied by them for the past 500 years or so. “Ruskie is a ruskie even if you roast them in butter” goes the saying.

    And where in the Finnish law does it say that women should be paid 20% less then men? FYI, women working in the public sector get paid exactly the same as men. It’s the private sector that causes the difference in pay.

  • Big Spender

    Oh and why Finns don’t want to join NATO? Well, the last time a big power helped out in a tight spot it turned out to be Nazi-bastards who the Finns had to chase away and who burned down Lappland as they went.

  • Torspo

    Rumors say that if you claim you’ve tried LSD or other drugs with flashback potential, you don’t get to go.

  • Jussi

    @Big Spender: you are a real sissy. First the Finns fought with the Germans, then the Finns stabbed them from behind – no wonder that the forests were burning.

  • Hank W.

    These days though women *can* join, and many do. They have an opt-out for the first 45 days… if they’re in longer they have to do the rest of the service in civil service/jail whatever as they’re “one of the guys”.

    http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Suomalaisia_naissotilaita_vannomassa_sotilasvalaa.jpg

  • Sup

    @Torspo: That’s correct. If you say you have even once in your life done LSD or some other psychedelic drug, they won’t trust you with a gun. So off to home you go. It’s a nice and easy way out.

    Other way is to say you are a pot smoker. First time they send you back home for 2-3 years and if you still say you can’t stay off the sweet, sweet marijuana they don’t want you in the army.

  • Biff Loman

    Joining the Finnish army is, to this day, the worst decision I’ve ever made during my life. Looking back, I’d had rather spent a year in civil service versus the mind numbing nine months I wasted in the army. And the sad fact is that I just didn’t have balls to go against the grain and opt out.

    Also, everyone saying Finnish culture is not prone to racism should spend six months serving in Eastern Finland. Just be careful not to lose your faith in humanity.

  • Byebye Neighborhood

    There is a worrying subtext in this latest entry. If the Baltimore Bozo is even THINKING about things like the Finnish Army, which should not concern him in the least, can his naturalization process be far behind?

    How close is he to the magic age in “Don’t Be Finnish”, for that is all the time we have before he will feel safe to crawl out from under his US passport and become one of us, and he will then be legitimately able – no, actively ENCOURAGED – to grumble about the failings of the place. We shall be defenseless! Call Ratakatu right away!

  • Sami

    There’s one more way to avoid the army in Finland: being a resident of the demilitarized zone of Åland.

  • Hank W.

    IIRC there you can also opt-in and serve in the coast guard?

  • tibor

    I could not for the life of me ever understand the whining and bitching about the conscription in the Finnish Army? It’s not the Foreign Legion folks. I can understand the not getting paid part, but other than that, what’s wrong with male bonding and camping?

  • http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com Prussian Blue

    Seem like having women in the military isn’t a good idea anyway, so I can understand why they are excluded from mandatory service. Just my humble opinion, of course.

  • same

    @ that’s if you notice any difference between Finnish women and men. To me most look the same.

  • Chris

    Strange country… And how about guy who have prosthetic finger with flash memory? Can he be trusted with classified documents in amry? Really strange country…

  • juru

    All true (except being crazy actually works)

    I was really shocked to hear so much racist bigotry during my sixth months both from my army mates and leaders alike. The draftees with Swedish or Russian citizenships must have had fun hearing all that crap.

    In retrospect I definitely should have chosen the civil service, or being crazy, for that matter.

  • finnjoey

    - Nice articles man, wana see more of them. –
    It’s always said that the threat of Russia is the reason for constription. Bollix!!! If Finland wanted credible protection if would have joined NATO. Russia is a global military power, it would annihilate Finland in a day.
    6 monthes of pussyfooting around the woods compared to the 1.5-2 years of brutality that Russian soldiers go through pretty much sums up how prepared the Finnish army for shit to go down.
    I left the army after 2 days, i respect the guys that do it, but dont see the reason for all that nonsense.
    The huge military budget that could go on something more productive than 20 million doller fighter jets – that’s what really disgusts me.

  • wtf

    @tibor
    What if I’m not interested in “male bonding” or camping? Honestly, did that possibility not enter your mind?

  • Stephan

    unfortunately, these latest months i have seen a lot of Iranian students (girls specially) in Helsinki, here and there, whom are searching for Finnish people to do some gypping on them to get their money. i was hunted by a group of them !! :(

    I think if the governmental sector make them to spend sometime in a camp (as same as army camp) , before they live freely in the city, that would be so useful.

  • jr

    This one was quite funny Phil :)

    But the Jehowa’s witness thing really is absurd and bad. Actually, they get free card ’til they are 28. (What’s with that?)

    The UN is also against it.

    But, they are (maybe ) doing *something* about it.. apparently they have a committee thinking about it :D We will for sure have their answer in about 10 yrs :)

    http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asevelvollisuus_Suomessa#Jehovan_todistajat

    Also, the thing with women is also tragically unfair. Actually i think it’s one the most bullshitty thing in our society. Everybody is sooo for the equality of sexes, but the army – of course women don’t have to go. WTF ?!!

  • x

    @tibor
    yeah, tibor, unfortunately f’ya, not ev’rybody cares of camping and bonding with males.
    @stephan
    please, more details about the iranian women hunting you. lol
    (what a pity those scarfs)

  • tibor

    @wtf and x

    Sometimes in life we have to do things we may not wish. Taxes are such, as is the US custom of forcing people into jury duty. A little male bonding won’t hurt anyone, even if you aren’t iterested in it. As far as the Finnish Army being useless in terms of actual warfighting, that is probably true, and another story.

  • Disqualified

    Here’s my story: When I was called up, I just tried to look as miserable as I could. Even though I didn’t have any statement from a psychiatrist, the doctor examining me decided I had mental problems, so I got C papers or whatever. I got away and never had any regrets about it.

    I don’t think I would’ve been much of a soldier anyway. Modern armies don’t need cannon fodder, they need trained specialists. The Finnish army is an old-fashioned dinosaur.

  • jormanen

    Six months? I was there for 11 months + ‘kertausharjoitukset’. I think nowadays military service is 6 or 9 or 12 months.

    Women and foreignors living here should get this wonderful experience too. I believe Phil only envy us Finnish trained men.:)

  • tibor

    Jormanen wrote:
    Women and foreignors living here should get this wonderful experience too. I believe Phil only envy us Finnish trained men.:)

    That’s a good point really, while being humour. While the training isn’t all that, I’d feel as if I were lacking something had I not done it. Especially when one’s father, uncles, cousins, friends, and the rest of Finnish male society go’s through it. I understand that is changing however? I wouldn’t know; I left years ago.

  • tibor

    Furthermore, to all you pacifists; not that there’s anything wrong with pacifism. But don’t you guys find it hilarious to disobey the “non-Commissioned” so called officers? These guys only had 3 months more than non-rates. Didn’t you get a kick out of who could fart the loudest, and longest? I certainly got a ‘blast’ out of that. If you don’t see the comedy in that, I guess ya might as well just join SETA and have no fun.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSoEbC3UWU Seppo

    Finland Army Training = 10 Bottles Vodka and an Accordion.

  • Winter (Go Protons, Cancer in remission, will soon be removed from “Dead Man Walking” video.

    Hummm Darfur comes to mind

    just send them there for training……..

  • Freeridin’ Franklin
  • bubba

    Men who go through evaluation are divided to four types: A-men, B-men, C-men and D-men.

    C-men and D-men don’t have to go through the “service”, the 6+ months of training. From what I remember, C-men can be later reclassified. D-men are permanently “banned” from serving.

    In modern times, they classify people as C-men pretty easily. From what I’ve heard, it’s like this in Russia as well. Nowadays you just have to tell them of your dark thoughts or about the fact that you happen to use drugs, and they’ll let you go, classified as a C-man. Being fat or just weak works too. D-men are insane psychos and nobody gets classified as such.

    And even after all this, it’s still just boy scouts with adult men.

  • Freeridin’ Franklin

    D-men could be sent to Afghanistan to serve under the US flag (and the sane ones sent back). Yay, purple fingers!

  • Fry

    I’m married to a D-man. He went through a medical trial for a new anti-anxiety drug, I guess after that they didn’t want him in the army.

  • Alice

    Winter: “If you get a sex change? Do you get out? Become an it?”

    The transphobia is quite rude… you should lose it. Trans people are NOT “its” they deserve the same respect you or any other human does. Remember that.

    Yes trans WOMEN are exempt as they are legally women. Therefore not eligible for the draft. Trans women who still have “male” henkilötunnis (social security number) I believe can still get out with a psychological exemption.
    Trans men on the other hand will be exempt as long as they don’t change their henkilötunnis before their 30th birthday since “female” numbers aren’t eligible for draft.

  • Me

    The military service for Finnish men is applied unfairly…My partner hasn’t lived in Finland since he was a child. I am not Finnish. We’re about to loose our home, my partner is about to loose his job because he has been told he has no option to do his military service and will be arrested if he sets foot on Finnish soil. So he cannot even visit family or attend a funeral. The other option is face not having a passport for the next x many years because he can’t have one unless he’s done his military service or reaches 30 but hasn’t lived in Finland for 20+ years. Yeah…fair..? I think not. Provisions for family? None. After he’s served his 6 months he can return to us in our country, but to what?…no job, no home… Our country doesn’t care about Finland and THEIR military service. They don’t hold your job open for you. In this economy, his life will be ruined. Can he wait it out? Perhaps, unless he needs to ID himself for any reason in which case he hasn’t got any ID, get’s deported and we are back to no home, no job. We are never, ever going to live in Finland. We speak no Finnish, I speak no Swedish either. I’ve got two kids, I can’t care for on my single wage but that’s my option now. No provisions for Non Residents no exceptions. Cheers Finland.

  • Jestas

    Finnish military-system is a bitch.

    But in my opinion ; stop whining and just do it!
    It´s six months at shortest and then you´ll be honorable and well respected man for the rest of your life.
    Woman can never achieve that amount of reliability in for example future employers eyes. No matter how many children she carries, gives birth to and takes care of ( mostly on her own ).

    I think those two things have many similarities ;

    1 Military service takes min. 6 months out of your life, pregnancy 9 months ( < and it doesn´t stop there!! :-)

    2 Both contain anxiety, fear, pain, blood, sweat, tears etc.
    torture, if you will

    3 For the time it takes, someone continuously tells you what to do ;
    for the men it´s their superiors at service, for women it´s the baby they´re carrying.

    4 Both cause at least equal absence from work/studies
    ( except for mothers usually much longer )

    5 Army should make boys grow to men, as pregnancy and coming to be a mother should make girl grow to put her needs aside forever and dedicate herself to take care of another person for the rest of her life ( = become a woman )

    6 Both cause unbearable pressure from one´s sosial circle if your planning to skip it

    I´ve made a promise to rush to apply into the force the day men have figured out how they can carry children and take almost full responsibility of them. Until that day comes I wont be bothered about your whining.

    Besides, those women who choose to join the army are usually pretty tuff birds, atleast those who make it through the orientation period. They have become there for their own reasons voluntarily as it should be for men also.

    I don´t believe forcing more people to army against their will is the answer. Anyone going though army should be there from there free will and get paid well about it.

  • http://www.medemis.ee/fin/ Medemis

    At least it’s not Estonian army, it’s like 8-11m here.

  • Lonestar

    HTFU

  • Kalevi

    Being gay can work in Finland, too. There is an elderly doctor who declared a Finnish gay guy unfit for service simply because he is gay. An interesting detail is that the guy was not trying to avoid service but actually wanted to serve in the military.

    I am gay and went to prison as a totaalikieltäytyjä, a kind of draft dodger who rejects both military service and the non-military service option. I don’t know what the situation is now but back then, in the early 2000s, it was thought gay men should not serve if there is any doubt as to their fitting in the social culture of the barracks. You had to see a shrink who would write a paper that says you’re so gay you can’t even shoot straight, or something.

    The thing is, I resent both compulsory military service and the idea that one has to see a psychiatrist about it. So I thought I’ll just spend six months in prison and be done with it. I took it as a vacation from mainstream society, and a kind of field trip to the margins of Finnish life. I also thought I would get a lot of reading done, which I did.

    It wasn’t a bad experience, nothing like the bleak picture painted in American films. No one wanted to rape me (sob), and I made money working at an on-site job training facility. In prison I also met my best friend, another totaalikieltäytyjä.

    I learned a lot about Finnish society conversing with the other inmates who were there for more typical offences, usually drug-related crimes. The problems are of a more social and structural nature than personal or psychological. An increasing number of people just can’t cut it in the streamlined World of Tomorrow that is Finland in the 21st century. I came to see this as a fact of human nature, as opposed to a flaw in the individuals concerned, which has had a definite impact on my entire world view.

  • Eskopetteri

    “Can he wait it out? Perhaps, unless he needs to ID himself for any reason in which case he hasn’t got any ID, get’s deported and we are back to no home, no job. We are never, ever going to live in Finland. We speak no Finnish, I speak no Swedish either. I’ve got two kids, I can’t care for on my single wage but that’s my option now. No provisions for Non Residents no exceptions. Cheers Finland.”

    If he has lived more than 7 years abroad, he can be freed from service ,so id think your partner has no problem at all.

    He can get suspend it until he is 30, and after it no-one will come behind his door. He has excellent reason for suspension, he doesnt live in Finland, and he cant quit his job. Most likely he can also just talk himself out of it.

    While in army, they will pay your rent/other costs and because he has kid/wife he will get aid for that too from Kela.

    Investigate all possibilities and stop bitching.

    http://www.kela.fi/in/internet/english.nsf/NET/081101145238EH?OpenDocument

    http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/en/

  • Mikko

    Easy! Tell them you have panic disorder/GAD/Depression/You want to kill yourself or somebody else. They’ll be more than happy to kick you out of the army.

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