We may be scared when the shootings get so commonplace that they don’t warrant national news headlines, as in your former homeland. Maybe you ought to go back to the States as you do seem so unhappy here.

I don’t think there is any real need to be scared. Yes it is tragic and horrific but how is it different from the people being gunned down on the streets of my home town? Or the kids of my home town taking knives to school and stabbing each other? It’s different in that it happens so infrequently that when it does it is BIG news. And long may it continue to be so.

Maybe I’m just sheltered from it all up here in the north of Kuusamo but I’ve never felt unsafe to walk down the road at any time of day. most definitely not something I could say about where I come from and pretty much everyone around here has guns at home unlike back home where the owners are few and far between and yet used for horrific crimes everyday.

at least they’re not banning guns … yet

How are firearm ownership statistics relevant when the weapon in question was unregistered? It’s a little sad when people troll their own blogs.

Lots of registered guns = Lots of guns available obviously. The two go hand-in-hand.

It gives me great pleasure though to see liberal Finland defending gun rights along with the United States. Finns watch “Bowling for Columbine” and are like, “That’s crazy, you can get a gun anywhere!” then in the same breath defend Finnish gun rights.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-07-01/news/bs-md-hermann-gun-crime-20100701_1_illegal-guns-gun-registry-gun-offenses

99 people killed in the first six months (and city averages 1.5 shootings per day) and this is historical low. I would probably be armed to teeth if I lived in that place

Phil, that’s a load of bullshit. Lots of registered guns does not mean that there are lots of illegal guns available. If legal gun ownership was forbidden, there would be even more illegal guns around and tracing the background would be much more difficult.

It’s not like you can sell your old guns to anyone just like that. You have to transfer the registration too. Police have the right to visit and check out how you’re keeping your guns locked, should they suspect you’re doing something illegal.

Also, the legal guns in Finland are mostly shotguns and hunting rifles. We don’t have much handguns, especially not automatic like in this case.

Phil, that’s a load of bullshit. Lots of registered guns does not mean that there are lots of illegal guns available.

That’s not what I meant. I mean that with the 3rd highest rate of firearms in the world, there’s going to be lots and lots of guns…legal or otherwise.

“That’s not what I meant. I mean that with the 3rd highest rate of firearms in the world, there’s going to be lots and lots of guns…legal or otherwise.”

Don’t make up that BS. Finland doens’t have 3rd highest rate of fireamrs in the world, not even in EU.

mm is right by the way, Finland is at odds with France in guns owned per capita. Switzerland is the 3rd on the list. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership

Take a look at this as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#Homicides_by_country

High profile news don’t equal statistics, no matter how strongly they may make you feel.

I also remember to have read “3rd on the list” during those coward school massacres some year ago. Now it results 7th. Ok.

Yet another sad failure of the finnish justice system. The shooter was paroled in December 2009 after serving only 12 years for shooting his ex-fiance. You guys are keen to bash Phil’s country of birth but this would never have occurred in the US as the murderer would not have been paroled after serving such a short time. And don’t get me started on the laughable rape sentences (6 months probation for multiple rape etc). Carry on.

The position isn’t really all that relevant when you look at the actual numbers. We’re in the same league with Canada, Austria and Sweden when it comes to the amount of guns owned. When it comes to homicides with firearms, we’re pretty damn well off.

So a “life” sentence in Finland is 12 years? You gotta be shitting me.

I don’t really know which side to pick in Finnish gun control debate. Yes, I’d hate to get caught in crossfire while waiting my hamburger and fries. But there are other situations. Recently here in Tampere a man was killed while he was at home. Some lunatic broke into his house and apparently stabbed him. The victim managed to escape outside where he died. A gun would be useful when you are at home and hear someone breaking in through the window.

#15: Yes, but if you shoot (at) an intruder in your own home, you’re likely to do some time and at the very least lose your guns. Two sad examples from recent years come to mind: An old man, having no strength for hand to hand combat and unable to flee, shot an intruder in the leg in his own home. The grandpa was sentenced to jail for attempted manslaughter and causing bodily harm. He also had to pay compensation money to the intruder. Twisted, eh?

Another example: A man woke up in his own home at night when his face was sprayed with mace by two armed intruders. Fearing for his life, he shot at a wall beside one of the intruders. The intruders fled but the police took away the man’s firearms. The case is currently pending investigation and charges might be pressed against him.

Conclusion: In Finland it is illegal to defend yourself in a reasonable manner in a life-threatening situation.

#16.Last winter, I made a bad car accident near Pasila, my car slipped away from the icy road and totally damaged . While I was still in the emotional shock and trying to get out of the car, the police car stopped in front of me and gave me a ticket (120 euros) , the reason: traffic disturbance!…. and another shock!

“mm is right by the way, Finland is at odds with France in guns owned per capita. Switzerland is the 3rd on the list.”

That’s also wrong. There is something like 600K shot guns in Finland. And here they are counted as weapons and you need a permit. In central and southern europe they are usually “tools”. Anybody can buy one without permit.

As if gun ownership rates would have anything to do with gun crime. Jamaica, Mexico and South Africa sure are safe after their goverments took their guns away. Gun violence went only up by 90% in the UK just in a decade after their goverment took their guns away.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

By the way, why is that boringly homogenous Swizerland where every adult male owns a fully automatic assault rifle one of the most safe countries in the world? I’m sure they would become alot more safe if they banned guns and increased diversity.

You seem very anti-American with your hatred of gun&self defence rights. It sure is awful when minorities, disabled people, pregnant women and elderly people can defend themselves, and when the whole population can defend itself against goverment opression (both domestic and alien).
Maybe that’s why he hasn’t gone back there, they don’t want him back. They dont want any more liberal morons voting for affirmative action and gun control.

Maryland gunlaws: http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=MD
Demographics:
White: 31.9% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 30.6%)
Black or African American: 63.4%
Maryland homicide rate: 9,37 %74.2 made with guns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

New Hampshire gunlaws: http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=NH
PURCHASE
There are no state licensing requirements for
the purchase of any rifle, shotgun or handgun.
POSSESSION
There are no state licensing requirements for
the possession of rifles, shotguns or handguns.
MACHINE GUNS
In the absence of any state law governing
automatic weapons, federal law controls the
registration and regulation of machine guns in
New Hampshire.
CARRY
A person may carry a handgun openly upon
his person or unloaded and exposed or locked
up in a vehicle without a license to carry.

Demographics:
White:96.97%
Black:1.29%
New Hampshire homicide rate: 1.39 %30.8 made with guns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Washington D.C might be the best example, as blacks make up for 55% of the population. It has one of the most strict gunlaws in the US (including total handgun ban) but yet their homicide rates are by far higher than any other state.

All of the top 10 least violent states in that list are one of those boring places where whites account for 95%+ of the population, except in Hawaii (where blacks account for 2.4% of the population) population, and gunlaws range from pretty lax to almost no restrictions at all.

Seems like outlawing black people works alot better than outlawing guns.

one Killed man be engaged in a hobby american muscle car.
http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/porvootehotjuttu0707HL_uu.jpg

and youngest man Finnish Tractor Pulling 6500kg finland master 2009
http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/uhrijuttu100707PM_uu.jpg

Argue back and forth all you want, but the real story here is simply that a person with a ‘life sentence’ for shooting another person was paroled and then proceeded to shoot more people.

Oh my… I can’t believe that finland is not a safe country to visit.

“Lots of registered guns = Lots of guns available obviously. The two go hand-in-hand.”

Guns don’t kill people, people do. That douche who shot those people was SENTENCED MURDERER and should have been rotting in jail instead of going for Big Mac. It is Finland’s (in)justice system that should be blamed, not guns.

“Guns don’t kill people, people do”

^^Retard^^

The third victim died too. Usually gypsies in Finland keep to shooting at their own kin, or the rival kin, like at Matti & Teppo concert.

Sheesh! Glad I live in Detroit!

It depends on the type of guns. In Switzerland they have a lot of assault rifles with SEALED ammo clips at home, but ONLY after doing their part for the “fatherland” (conscription). You open one afterwards without authorization and get caught, oh boy you are in trouble.

Hand guns are most problematic, if those are easily available as is the case in most US inner cities, next to the booze shop..

Rifles maybe not so and especially in Finland and in other Nordic countries you have to do the “Hunter’s exam” before able to get a rifle.

“Argue back and forth all you want, but the real story here is simply that a person with a ‘life sentence’ for shooting another person was paroled and then proceeded to shoot more people.”

Argue back and forth all you want, American mafia and even more recently, drug cartel members, killing many people, were accepted to witness protection programs and still are free there, all expenses paid by the American taxpayer…

Not to mention the orders of magnitudes homicide rates of major US cities when compared to any European city…

don’t rob my neighbors, they ALL have guns. When Hunting season starts, here, its duck and cover time, as the place sounds like a war zone.

I read on another forum that Finland has security guards in front of every restaurant. Is there really that much mayhem in Finland, so that rent-a-cops are needed everywhere?

What’s the underlying cause of the chaos? Unemployment?

“I read on another forum that Finland has security guards in front of every restaurant. Is there really that much mayhem in Finland, so that rent-a-cops are needed everywhere? ”

That’s not true. Someone might have mistaken a bouncer for a security guard. Also we sometimes refer to nightclubs and bars as a “restaurants”. Old habit from the time when alcohol was only served with a food, in restaurants.
We do have guards in malls and certain larger stores but they’re mainly there for shoplifting.

There is not much ‘mayhem’ either. This is a small country and we have very little crime even though people always seem to exaggerate it. Check out the most recent statistics from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Finland 2.17 per 100.000 populations, USA for example is 5.4 per 100.000

In legal terms, all cafes, eating restaurants, bars, pubs and nightclubs belong to the same industry called restaurants (in Finland). It applies to all the permits,licensing, requirements,reports etc. that the local and state gov’t requires.

It’s not just a habit. In legal terms, all cafes, eating restaurants, bars, pubs and nightclubs belong to the same industry called restaurants (in Finland). It applies to all the permits,licensing, requirements,reports etc. that the local and state gov’ts require.

the first paragraph calls my attention to another serious problem:

“The suspect in the shooting has previous convictions in violent crime. According to police, he was released from prison on 1.12.2009 after serving a life sentence for murder.”

how was he be released if he was to serve a life sentence???

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/07/two_killed_one_seriously_wounded_in_porvoo_shooting_1809539.html

“Guns don’t kill people, people do.”

It’s the inertia of the bullets fired, actually.

finns are shit.shoot a finn,help mankind.

i love reading about finns getting shot,it sounds so pleasurable to my sweet lovable ears on cute adorable body

i really hate ALL FINNS and love my dear old self.do you shit eating finnish retards love me? you should i am lovely.p.s. anymore finns shooting each other?love it! do it some more,its finntastic!!!

Juho: “There is not much ‘mayhem’ either. This is a small country and we have very little crime”

In America drug dealers kill each other, whereas in Finland the killings often happen between jealous neighbors (for example, maybe someone is too successful so his neighbor becomes violent). There are also many aggressive drunks who commit crimes.

“In America drug dealers kill each other, whereas in Finland the killings often happen between jealous neighbors (for example, maybe someone is too successful so his neighbor becomes violent). There are also many aggressive drunks who commit crimes.”

Yeah, jealousy seems to be common reason for violence. Though it seems to be even more common for man to kill himself in self-hatred and everyone in his family for narcissistic thinking that he doesn’t want them to mourn on him.

Even so, “mayhem” is greatly exaggerated, murder rates are still low, per capita, compared US. But fairly high compared to rest of the Nordic countries.

The difference is. Here every single murder is a front page news. In US it’s so commonplace that “minor” murders hardly get mentioned in NYTimes, unless it involves terrorism, terrorism or terrorism.

Fuck you phil, it was an illegal gun. GTFO.

Not only do we have Mickey D’s shootings, we also have tornados wreaking havoc in trailer parks.

http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/kotimaa.shtml/arkistot/kotimaa/2010/08/1166415

Starting to feel like home, you whining Yanks?

“Yet another shooting in “safe” little Finland. Sad. But I guess it’s no surprise since Finland has the third highest firearm ownership in the world.”

Well, actually it is surprising, gun violence, especially the kind where some one actually gets shot has been rare in Finland up and until around the time Pekka-Eric Auvinen decided to be come an hero. Despite the fact that we have a lot of guns we have one of the most strictest control policies in place, and have had for decades… a DUI or disorderly conduct while drunk will lead to the police confiscating your weapons. The shooting in question was done using an illegal handgun.

In Finland, I bet people who have legal guns didn’t buy the guns to shoot someone. It’s just that Finns are clever and use hunting rifles/shotguns for hunting, not to harm another human.

I really wish Phil would get his antigun ass the fuck out of Finland. Move to scotland you fucker.

Sorry to say, but Finland is the most safe (and cause of that boring) counrty in the world. And for the shooting matter, it’s always a man, isn’t it? No matter of nationality. As a woman I think you shouldn’t give a gun for men, cause they ain’t got brains. Sorry boys.