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28.2.2010

The United States according to the Finns

Tags: FI vs. Foreigners,Finns,USA! USA! — Author: @ 5:09 pm

Finns have the ultimate love-hate relationship with the US: Finns love Hollywood films & TV but hate its dominance over local productions. Finns love American brands but hate American consumerism. Finns love American foods but hate the slothful culture. Finns love the English language but hate its erosion of the Finnish language. Finns love the diverse American offering but aren’t fans of diversity themselves. Whenever you hear that something in Finland is becoming more American…it’s never a positive statement.

Finns often mistake real life America with what they see on their favorite American TV shows and movies. Couple that with the Finnish press’s sensationalism of American culture, it makes for some interesting stereotypes. And American tourists do little to expel these stereotypes. When abroad…

- Americans are loud (“HELLO, WE’RE FROM AMERICA!!”)
- Americans are ignorant (“America is the best, so this must be shit”)
- Americans are arrogant (“Speak English, asshole!”)
- Americans are demanding (“I need to speak to your supervisor!!”)
- Americans ask stupid questions (“Do you celebrate Thanksgiving in your country?”)
- Americans aren’t geography buffs (“Is Finland the capital of Sweden or Norway?”)
- Americans dress poorly (“How does a Hawaiian shirt, University of Michigan cap, shorts, and white tennis shoes go with my fanny pack?”)

Ever wondered what’s it like to be the first white person in an African village? Speak with an American accent in a Finnish town on a Friday night. The locals will flock to you like drunken zombies. But instead of touching your hair…they’ll ask your thoughts on Barack Obama. Or they’ll tell you of their uncle who spent a year in Canada during the 80′s. They’ll remind you that American “football”, makes no sense as a word. And Budweiser is NOT good beer.

In the workplace Americans are not to be trusted. They make promises they can’t keep. They brag about things they don’t have. They act as barnstormers wanting to change everything. They know everything. They don’t understand the word, “humility”. Their pushy tactics have the reverse affect on a Finn.

And when you befriend an American, you’ll surely be confused with questions such as “How are you?” (which translates to “Hi!”) and “I really like that!” (which translates to “I’m just being nice”) and “That’s interesting!” (translation: “I don’t understand that.”) and “Let’s get together sometime!” (translation: “Fuck off and die.”).

While Americans and Finns have their differences, the similarities are vast: Both love sports, both love Finlandia vodka, both love guns, both have problems with crazies shooting up public places, both hate the Russians, both love The Simpsons, and both think Conan O’Brien looks just like Finnish President Tarja Halonen.

(for more on this, check out “Finland is like a Mac, the U.S. is like Windows“)

  • http://loistava.info hlehto

    I love the irony when (we) Finns complain that Americans think all Europe is just the same – and lumping all the US and its citizens in one big homogenous mass. Hawaii, Utah, L.A. and New York and the people in there are just the same, right?

  • http://www.finlandforthought.net Phil

    Yeah that’s very true. If each state spoke a different language like Europe, Americans would be multi-lingual and “well traveled.”

  • Leena

    A great list but I have one more thing to add:
    Americans have no idea of British-English and claim I am ignorant and stupid when I state that I am a maths teacher :)

  • Mike

    How are you today?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o10iyDfsO-E

    Thank you so much Sir.

  • tibor

    That was a good list. How about the American tendency to monopolize the concept of “freedom.” As if others didn’t have freedom. That is quite irritating even to me, who has lived in USA for decades.

  • eurocentric

    “Whenever you hear that something in Finland is becoming more American…it’s never a positive statement.”

    The problem is that Finland is too much relying on American cultural imports – on a single source. I’m a Finn currently residing in France. Where are all the thoughtful French movies, French haute cuisine dishes and French music in Finland? France is, nonetheless, our EU partner but we don’t know much about it.

    Even imported German culture is barely seen in Finland although Germany is the culturally closest grand country for us. How can it be that the American cultural connection has replaced all the age-old connections with European grand cultures? One Finnish journalist in France claimed that the Finnish-French connection was at it’s strongest in medieval times…

    Btw, my contribution for your list: in Europe we don’t treat movie stars as intellectuals. ;)

  • Erik L.

    Dead on, Phil! Love your stuff. Keep up the good work.

  • AmeriikanEnkeli

    There’s something else.

    Many Americans (not all) tend towards extroversion. They are generally outgoing, friendly, and open. Americans tend to be this way without any expectation of follow-up or of becoming best friends. It’s just a behavior they exhibit at a given moment. People talk to each other in post office lines, grocery stores, etc. ”

    Many Finns interpret this as phoniness. I can’t tell you how many of my relatives think that this openness, just because it doesn’t evolve into a deeper friendship, is fake. I can see why a more socially restrained person might be misled by American openness. However, American openness isn’t necessarily any more “real” than Finnish recalcitrance. Both are simply behavioral tendencies and neither are any more genuine than the other.

  • http://phineaslander.wordpress.com Phineas Lander

    Why is it that Finns have a tendency to think that being miserable is a mark of distinction and honesty?

  • presso

    “Why is it that Finns have a tendency to think that being miserable is a mark of distinction and honesty?”

    Huh? Who thinks so? And who is miserable? I am certainly not. Where do you get that idea Phineas? Not from the Finns.

  • http://phineaslander.wordpress.com Phineas Lander

    Where do I get that idea from? I get that idea from the Finns. Presso, you need to see more of the world. If your only comparison is Finland you are bound not see it.

  • Wha?

    LOL, you hit the nail on the head.

    :D

  • presso

    ” I get that idea from the Finns. Presso, you need to see more of the world.”

    Sure. There are still Australia ad New Zealand left for me. Those are just about the only ones I have not seen. I started travelling at 11 and now I am 60. And I have never had a reason to be miserable. Being unemployd was not fun but that did not equal miserable.

  • Madisen

    I so agree with what you are saying saying! Being raised by a Conservative Republican family gave me such a close minded view on the world and America´s part in our world. In my opinion America needs more imports from around the world like books, movies, different mannerisms and non-American views. We should not be so proud and ignorant. I love my country though and I am a Proud American and I say these things about my country not out of hate or disrespect but show you there is one American Girl who agrees with what you said and I look forward to reading more from you.

    Madise

  • celine

    excellent! I really like your text and the previous ones! I lived in Finland for 8 years and it’s just so real!
    just excellent!

  • Freeridin’ Franklin

    “The problem is that Finland is too much relying on American cultural imports – on a single source.”

    Possibly.

    “I’m a Finn currently residing in France. Where are all the thoughtful French movies”

    In theatres at extortionist monopoly prices.

    “French haute cuisine dishes”

    All over Helsinki in restaurants that no tax-paying Finn can afford.

    “and French music in Finland?”

    Um, I’ll take American pop music, thank you – albeit even that will have to be 30-40 years old.

    “France is, nonetheless, our EU partner but we don’t know much about it.”

    Oh well, speak for yourself, mon ami,

  • steve

    I was going to make a comment on the subject but I was distracted by that awful picture of Phil on the right. Was that taken with a fish I lens. That is horrible.

  • Anonymous

    #17 Yeah, he looks like he is sitting in WC! Or waiting to hear the last verdict in a court session when he is behind the bars: guilty!

  • Anonymous

    #18. Or The last survivor from Auschwitz camp! Nice hair cut, Phil :)

  • Hank W.

    It looks more like Mr Hanky the christmas poo just jumped up next to him and said hayde-how

  • Gabe Athouse

    thats some funny stuff phil.. you should be doing stand-up.

  • tomi

    These are funny and I think I’ll have to continue reading your blog, even though I myself “hate” americans :) . I laughed hard at the “Swedes are gay” text :) gj

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  • keitai

    #6 Where are all the thoughtful French movies,

    At yle teema.

    How do distinguish a french pron flick for a art flick? In the art flicks it always rains…

  • winter

    Simple

    USA is evil

    enough said. Please don’t call us when you get invaded, we gave that up to the EU to help.

    What are the chances the EU will help? Less than the USA helping I would say.

  • eurocentric

    winter:

    Where was the USA when the totalitarian Soviet Union attacked democratic Finland? The USA was happily allied with the totalitarian superpower and gave secret material help for it. Then they say that their (foreign) policy agenda is to “promote freedom and democracy”…

    Don’t get me wrong – I am happy that the USA finally sent troops to Europe. But it is not self-evident that everything the USA did during the war was right. For me the Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were just as unwanted powers – the latter was no better. The USA chose the latter and look what happened to Eastern Europe when the Soviet Union was backed by the USA. (Without the material help from the USA, the Soviets could have lost to the Nazis). Ofcourse the USA was the most desired power of these three.

    When it comes to Finland, the only countries we can have relied on at the times of crisis have been moderately (economically) Sweden and full-bodied… Germany. Germany backed the Finnish independence three times (1917, 1918, 1941-44) – in 1917 it pressured Russia to give independence for Finland and the Baltic states. In 1993-4 Germany was the most important supporter of Finland in the EU negotiations. Now Germans are not benefactors but they share many similar interests.

    That was history. But I see no reasonable reason why the USA would help Finland more likely than the EU. Finland is tightly connected to the other member countries politically, economically and culturally. In addition, the whole credibility of the Union is based on it’s ability to defend it’s area. The Treaty of Lisbon has a solidarity clause. The defence minister of Sweden has already declared in reference to the treaty that if Finland is attacked, Sweden will give military help. The EU has also the power to help.

  • Dave the Revelator

    euorcentric, winter is a troll who says basically the same thing every post.

    he does not apparently realize when he posts the same weird (“usa good/rest of the world = bad or obama is a commie”) stuff that he’s only making himself look dumb.

    One could, I suppose, say that I look dumb and petty for even commenting on this, but it is Saturday and I have nothing better to do.

    It is a shame that this blog has slowed down so much because almost every day I see a story in the news that would create huge traffic / controversy on here. Everything from asylum seekers to baby snatching to east german spies!!!

  • Jason

    If I ever get the chance to come to Finland someday (which I hope I do), I plan to go with this perspective: when in Rome, do as the Romans do. I’ve heard that Americans tend to get more respect if they adapt to the customs and social mores of other countries and cultures instead of bringing their baggage with them and trying to force it upon the natives.

  • http://knizzlefoshizzle.blogspot.com Larjmarj

    agree with 29

    Having worked a number of years in a resort setting we always said that the true definition of a tourist is someone who travels elsewhere only to complain that it’s not like home.

    I always cringe when I hear about generalizations regarding the “typical” American. Though I am American, several generations over I like to think that I don’t really fit the stereotype. I’m intensely curious about other cultures and counties, language, , customs, music, and especially food. :-) Though I do sometimes feel like I’m in the minority, especially depending on what part of the country I’m in. The more conservative areas tend to fall in line with the “USA is #1″ mindset. I found it interesting that Finn’s feel that chatting in a bank line or grocery store would be looked upon as phoniness. It’s just something that we do without any real forethought or agenda. I at least try to find out more about the country that I’m about to visit regarding customs and learn some basic words and phrases. I’m a big fan of Finnish music, Apocalyptica, Finntroll, Sonata Arctica, Kotiteollisuus and a few others. I hope to see some of these bands in their home county one day.

    If any Finns care to find out about the US first hand, you’re always welcome here in Detroit.

    BTW…the northern part of Michigan has one of the largest Finnish populations in the US. In the city of Hancock, street signs and some shop signs are in Finnish and English.

  • JoensuunJenkki

    You forgot to add that many Americans like to opine about how Finns think, in spite of having zero command of the language, and hence, the culture.

  • http://iapet.us/nicol Nicole

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    I WORK for UM and still don’t get it. And yet, I’m wearing it.

  • winter

    Where was the USA when the totalitarian Soviet Union attacked democratic Finland? The USA was happily allied with the totalitarian superpower and gave secret material help for it. Then they say that their (foreign) policy agenda is to “promote freedom and democracy”…

    lets just ask, did we stay after the war like the Soviets did? Or can you say we left, except where we were asked to stay?

    Thats the Evil USA for sure, be sure to not ask for our help again.

    By the way I get to see the Finish Embassy in DC soon. Will let you know how I like it. Its web site is impressive.

    I am after all, liked by some Finns.

  • Shawna

    #8…has the best response. I’m an American, just returned from 1 week in Joensuu..very lovely. Everyone knew I was American because I smiled and said “Hei Hei” during my morning walk??!!! I will visit again, but it did take me a minute to get the whole, everyone looks like they are ready to either kill themselves or someone else look on their faces.
    And please can someone explain to my WHY…Finnish will tell you something bad or their dislike about something but will not tell you they’re happy or if they like something??!!! I made the mistake of cooking dinner one night, and because no one told me they liked the dish I made…I didn’t repeat it…turns out they liked it and was offended I didn’t cook it again before I left to go home to USA…WHAT??!!!

  • Anonymous

    sika pani kettua ! mita vittua …… im american born fin and i love the usa it is my homeland! fins are dumb also … i mean they ride polar bears to school.

  • Anonymous

    “USA is the greatest country in the world. I mean – where else can a gyu come from nothing and make a million dollars?” I´ve heard the above statement in various forms countless times over the years and it sums quite many annoying features of (clichéd) American thinking. The first part about being the greatest is usually blindly repeated by people who think that Europe is a country also (I know, a small percentage of Americans). And the answer to the latter part is oc course: lots of places. There´s capitalistic commerce in many countries. Like a previous poster mentioned, some Americans – no, let´s be really offensive for the fun of it – ALL Americans think that they invented “freedom”. Likewise they think they invented “commerce”. But even more annoying than the stupid, fat and ignorant Americans are the kind of Americans who are top-quality professionals in their field – getting results, making shitloads of money and being very inventive and yet, at the same time, have totally twisted values, two-faced concervative views and blind ignorance in other fields.

  • eurocentric

    Warning: now an arrogant, elitistic European opens his big mouth.

    What I especially dislike in America is the popular culture. Yes, that popular culture which is followed everywhere around the world: Hollywood, Disney, pop music, McDonald’s etc. Or more correctly: I hate that this popular culture has become all-dominant. I will now tell you why.

    Before the USA started to rule the Western culture after the world wars, the culture was lead by Germans, the French, the British (and earlier Italians). These countries didn’t produce “pop culture” like the USA – or at least it didn’t have such a status. What was considered valuable was classical music, theatre, opera, high-end literature, philosophy, artistic movies, haute cuisine etc.

    Now Americans changed all this. They are concentrating in – I am streching a point – action movies, disposable pop music and junk food. It seems to me that Americans are generally lacking in the education of high culture. Ofcourse there are many high-end schools in the Eastern Coast but I mean your Average Joe. In Europe we still study high culture and learn to respect it.

    Elitistic crap? No, it’s not. The cornerstones of the Western society like democracy, freedom, human rights, free market, separated political and juridical powers etc. were not born instantly. These were invented during a long process of thought. Especially important were the Ancient Greeks who first invented many ground ideas like democracy. The intellectuals of each century after that read these Ancient authors and contributed to it. For example, the Romans introduced the modern law system.

    Then huge development happened during the Renessance which was based in re-reading the Ancient classics. Finally, the central ideas of the modern nation were laid down by the Enlightment philosophers. What did they do? They read through the Ancient philosophy, medieval philosophy etc. before arriving at their new ideals of freedom, modern democracy, free market and so on.

    For example Adam Smith, the father of economics and liberalism (free trade), read carefully through the Ancient classics. His teachers were philosophers. Then his ideas were implemented by some British politicians who read his writings or listened to his advice. What comes to other forms of high culture than philosophy, art has always been important for inspiring these bright thinkers and spreading ideas. For example, Einstein praised classical music and authors have promoted ideas like democracy for the masses.

    When there’s no appreciation for the high culture, there’s no knowledge of where our core values and state structures come from. Then those kinds of things are taken as given. That’s is why some (or many) Americans think that ideas like democracy were invented in the USA.

    PS. So that you don’t get a wrong picture, I want to add that I don’t think that Europe would be superior to the USA in all ways. For example, I see Americans less biased against different social classes, ethnicities etc.

  • Anonymous

    yeah

  • AmeriikanEnkeli

    Eurocentric,

    I think I agree with your premise that many Americans don’t understand that democracy and free trade have foundational principles in Europe.

    However, you exemplify a profound lack of insight into American culture. Like many Europeans with an anti-American bent, your vision focuses on the most crass elements of American pop culture. And to be sure, they are legion: fast food, bad action films, Disney. Yet it is precisely because of America’s exhilarating liberation from the shackles of European elitism, classism, and traditionalism that has led to some of the most sweeping changes in our lifetime. Jazz, for example, is comparatively spontaneous and lively compared to classical music. Silicon Valley is a hub of entrepreneurialism, with immigrants, new thought, and experimentation feeding its flames. Gospel music, hip hop, man on the moon, electricity, nuclear power, I could go on and on. These, too, are American culture.

    Also important to note is the correlation between fast-moving media and the proliferation of American pop culture. The two work in tandem. French, German, and Italian “pop” culture (and even many operas were considered quite lowbrow in the day) didn’t spread as quickly because there weren’t as many media outlets for their exposure.

    Finally, pop culture is seen by many as lowbrow because of its egalitarianism. It’s as if some Europeans think, “If everybody likes it, it must be bad.” So much European classist elitism is based on exclusion. Of course it’s important to know the roots of democracy (ancient Athens). No question. But a person can listen to hip hop, play baseball and watch a Disney film and still appreciate the fruits of western thought. Equality, too, is high culture.

  • JR1968

    To #39:

    It seems that you AmeriikanEnkeli has been too much Americanized already to be able to understand even the basics of the country you have obviously been for some time already, and the entire history of the human race, and how history affects all of our lives even today as well as in the future.

    Your explanations sounds extremely naive American point of view existing today, not taking the history into consideration at all.
    For example, space exploration in America (for the man in the moon) has a major history originated from Russia and Germany. I hope you know the history of e.g. Wernher von Braun…

    America as we know it today, would not exists without the extremely religious puritans escaping from Europe, which is what is still extremely heavily influencing the American culture and politics as a whole.

    I will never ever live in the US. It’s way too simple one single country to be living in for me.
    It represents too much the history of Europe, while Europe is trying to discover and to make into practice something completely new that the entire history of entire human race doesn’t have a comparable phase.
    This European continent is capable of bringing into human race so many new discoveries including e.g. the ideological, technological, scientific, religious, social, political and mathematical advances which rivals way over to any other continent and area of the world. I could say that most Europeans, understanding something about the entire history of the human cultures, also respect the discoveries of way older cultures, including the islamic influences.

    BTW, electricity has its roots to be traces thousands of years ago. I know it’s extremely American idea to be claiming to “owe the discovery” of electricity as an American discovery…

    After getting to know the deeper values of American people for the past 10-20 years or so, you are lacking way too much any respect for anything existing before America was discovered by an European, and especially the influence the US has had after WW2 era.

    All you are capable of is talking about the situation now, today. History and the future doesn’t have the same meaning in the US as it has elsewhere in the world, including Europe.

    Egalitarism in America? You must be joking. The US has never been an egalitarian country except in a paper. The social aspect of egalitarianism doesn’t really exist in the US and has never existed because it is based more to a darwinistic nature.

    I think you should get to know a bit more deeper about American culture than you actually know. But that would be a real problem for most Americans, so it’s easier to accept the simple lies and extreme propaganda machine that rampages the entire country from the day you are born and extremely heavily rooted in the daily life including the media and the educational lines of schools…

  • AmeriikanEnkeli

    JR, your stereotypes of Americans are a prime example of why I’ll never live in Europe. You assume that, from Alaska to Florida, New York to Hawaii, we’re all alike. What a colossal misconception.

    I’ve never said that Americans or American culture are/is superior. Where you got that idea is beyond me. There’s much about American culture I find repulsive, and had you’d bothered to ask, instead of making assumptions, you might have discovered that to be the case.

    And this statement:

    “History and the future doesn’t have the same meaning in the US as it has elsewhere in the world, including Europe.”

    makes absolutely no sense to me. What are you talking about?

    I live in America and am very aware of its contradictions and problems. Yet I choose to live here because I like it. That doesn’t imply ignorance, but that you choose to assume so simply magnifies your own.

    End of discussion, at least on my end.

  • JR1968

    #41

    Hmm..

    Have you ever heard of behaviour patterns of people living in a certain culture/country? If you haven’t, maybe you should get acquainted to some psychological studies made of them. You might be surprised…

    Too bad for you that I’ve been interested in this behaviour for quite many years, and dug a bit deeper into so called collective American psyche.
    One doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand these patterns, and I’ve found out that it makes many Americans angry when someone points out that their behaviour is not so individual as they would like to believe.

    Note that it is you who points out such things how a few Europeans may behave. Yet you try to deny the same from Americans. Doesn’t really make sense at all, unless you’re the victim of American “propaganda” and who doesn’t want to look at the mirror.

    Yea, and I live in Europe and happen to like it here. I’ve also thought about living in Australia but this continent still represents those values which I feel closest to (having been to about 30 countries so far).
    Part of those values exists in the US, too, you know, as we all are representatives of so called western cultures. Those values include the pop culture you well emphasize yourself.

    History (of the world) is not considered as such an important part of life in the US as it is in quite many other countries. If history isn’t that important, then future isn’t either but mainly just current time, now…
    The lack of understanding history and its importance can be seen fairly often when discussing many complex issues with Americans, especially about cultural connotations.

  • Anonymous

    I reject the notion that we have a problem with crazies shooting up the place, two people out of 5.3 million is hardly a problem and it could happen anywhere. The germans are far worse than us in this regard you know, they have more shootings than anyone in europe!

  • http://omighty1.ucoz.com OMIGHTY1

    Heh, according to the stereotypes of Americans, I don’t fit any, so I’m apparently… not an American? Yet another reason why I should be Japanese… lol -_-

  • Anonymous

    finns are so selfish,dirty’sub human,dishonest,ugly and shit smelling’that i wish russia would nuke them’take the land and gulag whats left.

  • Nate

    I think everyone in the world has a love hate relationship with US, even the neighboring countries (Canada & Mexico) hate and love US. Heck, there’s even a L&H rel. among US citizens.

  • Anonymous

    the ideal partner for all finnish women,is to sleep and make love to a heep of dog shit.take leena kaarina kamrat she married a lump of dog shit from pirkkala.

  • Anonymous

    i am offering 100 euros for every finnish war grave photographed covered in dog shit,he he he!!¬!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q0nvM8NzEo Shadowfax

    Before we lambaste Americans too much, let’s remember that: when we discuss tawdry American pop-culture, violence-glorifying action movies and even the propagandistic “news” programming, we’re not really talking about Americanism in any traditional or true sense. Rather, it is the product of a minority-controlled media monopoly that many claim has had a veritable stranglehold on the American population for most of the 20th (and now 21st) century.

    One might attribute many of the unfortunate, abovelisted behavioral characterists to this divisive and undermining influence. One might also imagine how great America would be in its absence.

  • getmeoutofhere

    I’m an American and I even agree with this.
    It’s a shame that we have such a bad image. Of course not all of us are rude and ignorant, but I do agree that most are. I am studying abroad in a year, and I can’t wait to leave. I think if anyone wants proof that Americans are rude, they should sit in a high school classroom for about an hour. They’ll see. Between the fake tans, stupid insults to each other and ridiculous references to current American pop culture (I can’t even count how many times a day I hear the word “legit” used) people will lose brain cells. The older generations are not nearly as bad as the younger ones.

  • Jean

    You all TRIP me out with your elite high-and-mighty attitudes.
    If you hate our American culture, WHY do you try to be like us?
    Don’t like Disney? PLEASE DON’T VISIT. I COULD DO WITHOUT BEING TRAMPLED BY A BUNCHY OF STINKY, FLAG CARRYING, SAME-COLOR WEARING HORDES!

    Don’t like McDonalds? Don’t eat it. Did you know in a recent study in NYC they found out Europeans ate a lot of McDonalds so they could spend less on food and more on clothes and other goods.

    Don’t like America? DON’T DRESS LIKE US. That’s right. Get out of Abercrombie, Ed Hardy, Armani Exchange (which is much more American than typical Armani) etc.

    Don’t like America? DON’T EVER VISIT HERE.

    I live in NYC which is the multi-cultural center of the Western world. I see people on a daily basis who spit in our culture, yet move here because their own countries “hold them back.” DON’T move here if you don’t like us so much and please for the love of god DON’T VISIT. We don’t want you. We don’t want to wait 45 min in line of a store because the big and mighty Euro allows you to shop till your hearts content.
    And we especially don’t want you in our coffee stores, standing in line for 50 minutes only to decide on ‘un cafe”

    peace. I’m OUT.

    -a very typical New Yorker.

  • Kerstin Johst

    U need to do What Finns Think About Canada. Love ur Think Series.

  • Siru

    I think Americans are extremely racist. It is surprising since there are all kinds of people in the country. The racism against black people is Medieval in America. There are racists in Europe too but they are not nearly as vocal as Americans. Americans seem to love to use the word n***r. But on tv-shows people pretend that race doesn´t matter and the issue is rarely brought up. That is especially in fictional shows.

    The relationship between mainstream Americans and Jews can be compared to the relationship between the Swedish-speaking community in Finland and mainstream Finns. Americans often hold a deep grudge against Jews. That kind of anti-Semitism is not seen in Europe. I think it´s because of jealousy cause Jews tend to be more financially successful than mainstream white Americans. Or they are if you think the number of Jews.

    Another downside of USA is that many people that have no real skills and even have plain looks succeed there for reasons that I don´t understand. These include “startlets” such as Hillary Duff, Taylor Swift and Miley Curys.

    Also American society isn´t very fair. It gives plenty of opportunities for rich kids but poor kids often have no chance or they have to rely on scholarships. The health care isn´t equal. Americans think public health care is socialism which I think is ridiculous.

    The interesting areas in USA seem to be Utah, Maine and other “peripheral” areas with unique cultures. The nature in USA seems very beautiful. I also like American conservatism regarding certain moral and ethical issues such as stance on homosexuality and law and punishment. It makes the World seem a bit safer that there is at least one civilized Western country that doesn´t let criminals get off easy and holds on to traditional values. I also very much appreciate the work that American soldiers have done in Iraq by getting rid of one of the World´s worst dictators and trying to root terrorism out of the area. I´m just not sure that Americans appreciate them as much as they should.

  • Siru

    Eurocentric I sort of agree with you that Germans were the only ones who showed interest in helping Finland during the second war. But in the first war Finns were alone and only Swedish, Norwegian and Danish volunteers helped them. Estonians are often given credit for helping Finns but many of them fought against Finland in Winter War and the so called Finnish boys were forcefully recruited by Germans in the Continuation War. Swedes should be the ones getting credit.

    I am not sure that the motives of Germans were entirely sincere. They used Finns to fight against Russia. And they also bombed Lapland when they left. Finland was alone cause she had no allies. Finns are still reluctant to form allies by joining NATO.

  • Sam

    Not all Americans are like that!

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  • Marymekko

    I agree with Shadowfax.  The average American has to just accept the culture he/she lives in, try to ignore what she doesn’t like (a lot!!!), get on with her own work and life, and pursue her own interests, cultural tastes.  I live in the USA most of my life, never watch the crap TV shows, don’t know the name of the current movie stars or pop singers, and never did for that matter.  Meanwhile, in the 1980′s,again in the 90′s and 2006, I go to Germany and Finland, only to find that the folks there are NUTS about our lowdown, no-talent celebrities!!!  The Europeans are bigger suckers for our junk TV shows than the Americans themselves!  In Finland, all night long, it’s crime shows like CSI, all fake and baloney, all negative.  Then it’s “Desperate Housewives”, pure trash, gobbled up by university-educated Finnish women (tax-payer educated, no less…)  One older doctor up in Lapland told me that the predominance of all this US trash TV is a ploy by the government to 1. keep the Finns down and docile, at home at night, instead of out drinking or causing trouble; and 2.  keep Finns tuned into the USA, rather than turning to Russian ideas, esp. stinking Communism.  So, you Finns!  You have as much top-down manipulation as we over here do!  And you’re falling for it, natch! 

    I do agree that it is a minority (yes, European Jewish) controlling our media, a monopoly, that has a stranglehold on the music and movie and TV scene.  The only escape for us Yanks is to tune into British, Canadian, Australian and European shows and films.  Alas, I suspect many of those nations have the same hold on them, if you look at the names in the credits at the end of the films/shows.

    Finland, make more of your own shows, and put them in English, and export them to the USA!  We need DIVERSITY, not the same old Hollywood Jewish crap.

  • Gammy4-ever

    Everywhere you go, and everything you hear, is what dickheads Americans are.  America didn’t get to be no. l in the world by sitting by and letting other people do it for us.  If you don’t like America, then too bad.  stay in your stinkin Finland.

  • Itjsit

    “Everywhere you go, and everything you hear, is what dickheads Americans are.  America didn’t get to be no. l in the world by sitting by and letting other people do it for us.  If you don’t like America, then too bad.  stay in your stinkin Finland.”

    There’s a reason why people, worldwide, from all corners of the globe, dislike Americans. This is a simple, yet perfect example of why.

  • Thure

    Siru, Hello I think the Finns are cool people and Yes I am American of Finnish Decent, but I like treating people as people unless they want to act as jerks then they are what they, I’d love to visit Finland near my relatives near Oulu, Finland

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