Learn to read. It just says that it will be treated like any other flu, so for the patients there will be the usual costs. No a big deal and since swine flu is such a hype, it makes sense.

Yeah, but isn’t Swine Flu a bit more serious than the typical flu?? I would think universal health care would happily cover such a dangerous disease.

>>> Yeah, but isn’t Swine Flu a bit more serious than the typical flu??

Do you really believe that?

This must be the most uninformed piece I’ve read today.

So Swine Flu is just a joke, eh? I thought people were dying over it and shit.

Mortality rate seems to be about same as on normal seasonal flu. Old people and other people in risk have highest rate though I believe pregnant woman have higher risk.

The media hype about the terrrrible svine flu has been quite hilarious (and sad) to follow. If you want to panic more, check the svine ebola as well

Hundreds of thousands sick, a few hundreds dead. The percentage is very low. Almost everyone who gets the swine flue suffer only minor symptoms, most can not even be distinguished from a normal flue. Maybe even you Phil had it, a sore throat one day maybe? Could have been the swine flue.

Quality of your blow just fell below Iltalehti and is getting closer to Hymy.

Not from the most reliable source (wikipedia), but anyways:
The Swine flu has been compared to other similar types of influenza virus in terms of mortality: “in the US it appears that for every 1000 people who get infected, about 40 people need admission to hospital and about one person dies”.

More info on who site: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/

I thought you were better informed than an average person, Phil. It’s only a slightly more lethal than the seasonal influenza. Elders and already sick people are in the risk group, just like with the seasonal influenza. Of course some people seemingly in perfect health may (and have) also die occasionally, but that’s also happening with the seasonal.

The amount of presumed infections in the US is already in the millions since most of the infected haven’t reported it. Which means that only a handful of cases require hospitalization.

It will not be pleasant by any means, but it’s unlikely to kill you. I hate fever, I haven’t had one since 2005 I think, and that was while staying in the US. Though, a sore throat is not my favorite either.

This flu is more dangerous because it thrives in the lungs where the normal flue has problems. This is why the professionals are concerned because people who get sick can gt real sick. The elderly who are normally most at risk are getting a free pass because this is related two two older flus.

One other issue is that this is not a seasonal flu. People are getting sick now, and it will only get worse once flu season hits.

So why is every Finn stocking up on hand lotion and paper towels and shit?

It’s funny, in the states the whole swine flu hype has died down, yet in Finland it’s in full effect. I assumed the Americans just didn’t care and the Finns were being the cautious ones – but it’s the opposite?

Well you should all be proud – I don’t care about swine flu, I haven’t bought any hand-sanitizer or towels or face masks.

Finnish healthcare isn’t free at the point of use – so it’s rather disingenuous to say it is. There are always these charges for doctor/hospital visits and not having a perscription fee system for covering much of the cost of medicine you are told to take is really annoying. Interestingly, in the UK you can get online or phone assessment of your systems and then an authorisation code to pick up the anti-flu medicine for free if you have swine flu. They even said that they are creating special pick up points for the drugs so that chemists shops don’t get over burdened. Oddly, for Brits whining about the NHS is a national sport whilst in Finland not many people seem to think that certain aspects of healthcare could possibly work better in other countries – whilst at least in my experience of less serious problems, the UK NHS is more user friendly and much much cheaper than using the Finnish system.

On the US system (or “systems” would seem a better description) and the current debate, I thought this interview http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105483669 with Dr. Atul Gawande was fascinating. His findings in Texas seems to be actually the logical outcome of a system that turns doctors into businesses.

I was sort of hoping it would turn dumb people into zombies

I echo many of the other comments to this entry, which contributes successfully to the panic attitude of some of the media.

The swine influensa has a mortality rate that is comparable to ‘normal’ seasonal influensa. The only reason that more people in actual numbers are being killed by it is because more people are catching it as there is essentially no immunity to it in the population. The panic is largely fuelled by the evening papers. As far as I can see, the government’s reaction so far has been quite rational. Now we have adverts on Yle’s channels to remind us that the best defence against flu is simple: remembering to wash hands. (http://www.stm.fi/influenssatietoisku, http://www.stm.fi/sv/influensakampanj)

All this decision means is that a patient has to pay the same fees as for any other illness etc. It does not mean they have to meet the full costs or that the health system no longer covers swine influensa.

Toby, that is interesting. There was a prominent UK doctor interviewed on Swedish Television’s Aktuellt programme a few days ago saying that plans to mass vaccinate were madness and that the plan to give prescription medication to patients without them ever having even spoken to a qualified medical professional was equally an over-reaction. Apparently most people do not need anti-virus medication for swine influensa, just as they do not for normal flu.

Toby, Thanks for posting that link. Interesting.

Strange: in these days the health centers seem more closed than ever because of swine flu cases only! Instead.
Just today I called a health center for getting some cure, they told: call next week.
In Milano you could at least choose your “family” doctor.

Swine flu is just a flu! People have been dying of flu for years already and in far bigger numbers.

How much are the seasonal flu shots in Finland? I never got one when I was there.

Here they are normally under $30 and often much less than that. The company I work for offers them for free and many other companies do the same as well.

Finnish healthcare isn’t free at the point of use – so it’s rather disingenuous to say it is.

Yeah, that’s why I put “free” in quotes. You always hear it’s free, then you soon realize it’s heavily subsidized, then you soon realize it’s not really that “heavily” at all.

Maybe Finnish healthcare system should be like summer clothes sales. “Finnish Health Care 70% Off!”

Fred, we always get offered flu shots for free at work, although every time I have one it just seems to make sure I get the flu once or twice that winter. This year I think I’m going to skip it.

In Finland aren’t flu shots normally free to the elderly and other high risk groups?

@19: “In Finland aren’t flu shots normally free to the elderly and other high risk groups?”

Yes they are.

Best Nanny care? And yet Finland does not test men for cancer (PSA Test)??????? But does test women?

“Well you should all be proud – I don’t care about swine flu, I haven’t bought any hand-sanitizer or towels or face masks.”

I hope you feel proud when you infect and kill a newborn baby or a cancer patient. But not to worry as you’ll most likely make a full recovery.

“I was sort of hoping it would turn dumb people into zombies”

Whoops….too late.

Don’t believe the hype, same thing with the West Nile Virus…Sars, etc. etc. Actually of all 3 the West Nile Virus was the worst. My opinion from seeing it first hand.

Isn’t there a remote possibility that swine flu was – get this – manufactured? A disease created in some laboratory?

Jason, that would simply be impossible. Only God can create life.

Here’s the link to the Center for Disease Control in US http://www.cdc.gov. There’s also a link to the World Heath Org on the site. You can find reputable info there. Seems to me it (swine flu) is passed in the same way as other flu (bodily fluids usually sprayed on you or a surface you touch from someone coughing or sneezing) so wash your hands, don’t touch your nose, mouth, eyes and stay away from actively ill people. I usually don’t eat out during flu season either because I’ve worked in too many restaurants and know what happens there. I believe the hype with this flu is that it has killed people who are not found in the normal high risk groups – teenagers, 40 yr olds. It’s not a good thing if you have underlying health issues. My friend and her family had pig flu in the US and she said she’s had worse symptoms with a bad cold. Her husband was quite miserable but recovered at home. Her kids’ friend ended up in the ER but recovered.

Check your facts, anna #7!
Hundreds of thousands sick, a few hundreds dead. The percentage is very low.
177.650 infected, 1.127 deceased. (1.274 according to wikipedia). Source:ECDC

Health care in Finland is really bad in my opinion. Regardless of whether or not Swine flu will be a big killer or mutate into some other form – it doesn’t matter because in Finland you won’t really get good treatment unless you go private.
Can you believe that recently I had to pay 67 euros for a prescription from my doctor? The reason why? The drug I was prescribed was not on the KELA list. You have to worry when the pharmacist asks if you have insurance.
Compared with other european countries Finland has crap health care. If I was really sick I’d much rather be in France or Spain or even the U.K.
And we pay so much more tax. Jesus My finish friends believe the propaganda about the Finnish welfare system. They say well we pay a lot of tax but at least we get good welfare – yeah right – until you get sick. For the amount of tax we pay we should get a tremendous health care system – but we don’t. Not to disparage the work of health professionals here but they are underfunded and undervalued by the government. And in the end the sick patient gets the same old Finnish ‘sisu’ bollocks of ‘suck it up’. Or actually we don’t care if you are sick and die. Not of flu anyway – maybe cancer then yes we’ll see what we can do.
Now compare and contrast with France and lets see how you do.

And by the way I run a business in Finland. Do you know our wage costs are 50% of our income? And what do we get? What do you get? And do we have any bright ideas about how to get out of this recession? People I tell you that Finland will be going down for the next few years at least.
I see cheap immigrant labour doing the cleaning and cooking. And the Finns? On holiday. Bollocks.

Where did that come from, Andy? Are you posting in the right topic? But you’re correct. Just today Katainen said that economic growth will come later to Finland than in other European countries. WTF? That’s like saying no, we can’t! We fail. We stand by and do nothing. We don’t even try! And this government never even needed to rescue any banks or so.

Want some more gloomy forecasts? Just wait until municipalities announce their tax hikes!

Hey Phil, you seem like you have a really negative attitude towards the finnish system. That is sad, the social democrazy and the system of healthcare is more or less “free”, ofc. there are problems, and taxes are high, but it has helped create a country which has one of the highest life exp. rates, lowest form for corruption and Finland is also the worlds most competitive nation. Not to even mention the education system which ranks number one in the world.

So, why so negative? Would you not be happier back in the states?

At #32. I hadn’t quite realized that Finland was such a great place to live until you reminded me. My company certainly benefits from being located in the most competitive country in the world. No corruption? That’s fantastic. With all the tax and insurance bills I have to pay I don’t think I could deal with paying backhanders too. Welfare system is fantastic and I couldn’t have been happier with my 4 hour wait to see a doctor at Peyas Hospital – just a shame about the blood dripping on the floor and the 12 stitches I needed had to be reduced to 6 stitches because the doctor was too busy. But I should have done it myself and would have done if I had the requisite amount of sisu – or maybe I should have just chopped off my arm lumberjack style an be done with it.
Anyhow the education system is great – no danger of being bullied because you might be different from others – everyone is so friendly. And it’s the best thing to live so long – we can enjoy more and more winters. Social democracy works a treat – especially when politicians stand for the European parliament with no intention of taking up their seat or representing those who voted for them.
No anyway a lot of Finnish people believe the propaganda. It’s their look out. Usually when a foreigner voices a complaint they say things like ”if you don’t like it then move back” again showing just how democratic and free-speech loving they are.
I’m annoyed that there are no incentives. No strong leadership. No politicians of vision. If you can’t see that Finland is heading for trouble then you need to update your rosy-tinted view of the so-called ‘paradise’ you are living in.
But then I’m just being overly negative as usual – I tested my negativity after laughing out loud about a Helsinki Times article describing ‘The wonders of Helsinki’s central park’ – is it really so wonderful? Obviously some people think that it is and they are the type of people who really enjoy living in Finland. That is what they settle on as being wonderful. Forget about Norway’s towering peaks or the Alps or even England’s national parks because in Finland ” we have ‘wonderful’ right here in our backyard”. So actually saying that ”If you don’t like it then leave” is close to saying ”if you don’t think our Helsinki’s central park is wonderful then go somewhere else.” And you would be right to say that – because I should go somewhere else. I don’t appreciate Finland in the way that you appreciate Finland and so I’m clearly not meant to be here. And as there are no incentives to keep me here…..

Bye!

No politicians of vision? Come on, Andy. The True Finns certainly have a cure for unemployment: berry picking!*

* Only applies to white people

@ Andy Campbell.

Hey, I do not live in Finland, but have done so for short periods of time, I do have family in Finland as well, and I am a finnish citizen.

The problems you describe exist everywhere, will you deny that? It still does not stop Finland from being a country which ranks high in the world happiness index, as well as ranking high on other studies regarding the quality of life. Will you deny this? These are scientific studies non effected by people biases.

Finland has its lakes and long summers days which I find “wonderfull”, sauna, some beers and the finnish summer are some of the best aspects of life I can think off.

What you clearly are doing is creating strawman argument, you misrepresent the situation and then attack it according to the scewed picture you paint. As I stated, all the problems you listed can be found in other western countries, still thou tests and studies show that these problems are not as big as for instance the USA. But yes, it does push the question; why would someone in todays global society live somewhere which makes them unhappy?

Well, you do not know what you got until you’ve lost it.

Best wishes.

Sandvik – you don’t live here.
The government is doing nothing to help small businesses. If the government wanted to help then they would reduce the amount of money it costs for employers to hire workers. Keeping people employed should be the key concern.
But what seems to be happening is that the government does not really want to help and the fact that swine flu is not seen as being serious enough to warrant free treatment is ‘symptomatic’ of this.
Here is the thing. There is a lot of marketing of ‘brand Finland’ to the outside world. You see it in the English versions of YLE, Helsinki Times and Helsinki Sanomat. You might think that Finland is a great peaceful place. A wonderful place to start a business. But do you know how many tech companies are relocating to Estonia? Do you know how many entrepreneurs are close to being bankrupt? Do you know for instance that I have to pay 5% of my workers’ salary in insurance and we haven’t had an accident in 5 years. Between the unions and the government the worker and the employer are squeezed. My labour costs are 50% of my gross income. 10% is taken by the government and the worker gets 40%. Our only option is to lay off workers.
The government is about to borrow 13 billion euros – why? To bail out the banks? No. The money will cover shortfalls in welfare budgets mostly due to increased unemployment. There are better ways to do things.
But as for my situation – you would rather I not say anything? Whether or not the situation is worse in other countries should not censor what I think shouyld be done in this country. Finland and Finnish people always say this – ‘it’s worse elsewhere, we are a small country, we are trying our best.’ Keep believing the hype and keep quiet and nothing will change. The big issue these days in Finland is immigration. I would hope that the emphasis shifts to the governments poor handling of the economy. One word to describe Finland at the moment – ‘rigid’. The economy is stuck. There is no flexibility. But keep reading the reports and studies. All I can say is ‘if only’ they were true.

The issue with Sandvik is that if Andy Campbell would be a Finn, ranting about exactly the same stuff, he would not see it as a problem. And believe me, many Finns I know complain about exactly the same stuff. But Andy (and Phil, and I, etc.) happen to be no native Finns. And that means that we need to either accept everythin as it is, shut up, or go home. Guess what? Not going to do that. I live here too, so I complain about what’s going on here.

PS Sandvik, you need to update yourself on the propaganda you read (Pisa, competitiveness, corruption perception surveys) Finland is not anymore no.1 for years. And they are and always have been that, surveys…

PS Andy, I agree (yeah… again) but I am not sure what can be done at this time that is not going to be a radical change. Will Finland learn from the countries that do better during or after this recession? How come unemployment in the Netherlands is at the moment only 4,8% and there the government even had to spend a lot of money rescuing some banks?

Respond to #37 and 36.

Hi, no I do not live in Finland, but I have studied there for 3 years so I know something about how things work, also I have family there who I talk to often.

I am not saying you are not allowed to complain, personally I think taxes on private person and on companies are to high, but you can not argue with results. Finland IS one of the leading countries when it comes to the quality of life. Yes they are surveys, but a survey has much more credit than what you guys stand for; opinion and speculation. They may be based on sound ideology and ideas, but the numbers tell a different story.

The current unemployment rate in Finland is now 6,5%,around there I think, which is the lowest in 15 years.

I am not objecting towards your right to decent or protest, and I would not want to do that, but what I have a problem with is the misrepresantation, and the strawman arguments which have been used.

I live in Norway, and we have around the same tax leveles as Finland, a bit higher here, but that does not stop us from being one of the countries with highest GDP per person. Finland ranks high as well (http://www.ssb.no/ppp_en/main.html), I am just basing my argumets on facts here, not opinion.

Back to my main problem with the OP; trying to represent the healthcare system in which way it was done in the OP is dishonest. It is treated as a flue due to it not having higher mortality rate, you do not go to the doctors for a regular flue either. Only old, pregnant and persons with pre existing condition get the free coverage, that is fair in my opinion and logical as well.

Second, I have never had to wait either in Finland or Norway longer than 15 minutes to get the treatment for something which needs to be taken care of fast, neither have I ever heard about any other Finn I know having to endure any great amounts of time. An American friend of mine who was on exchange studies in Finland got a liver infection, he said he had to wait for 20 minutes, and all was FREE, he would not have money to pay for the drugs based on american prices at the time, he said.
I went to a private clinic in Finland to test my self regarding an alergy I have, the Finnish state bayed 3/4 of my bill. A fair system, and this is the kind of security I want to live with.

So when I hear you guys attack the back bone of the system which makes the quality of life here as high as it is, then I do get defensive. I am sure we can argee on a lot of small details, but for me the social velfare system is the most important aspect, and so is it for millions of citizens living in the Nordic countries, therefore I do not like strawmen arguments being used against it.

Thanks, and best wishes.

Unemployment is 9,1 %. at the moment. When it was 6,5 it was not only the lowest in 15 years, it took a bloody 15 years to get there!!!! That’s just awful!

Healthcare is not efficient. I witnessed how a guy was bleeding almost empty from a severe head wound and how the ambulance took 50 minutes to get him. Countryside? No. That was in Lahti. Then my own girlfriend. She had to go to first aid at the hospital, because she was afraid of a knee fracture and in a lot of pain. An almost empty hospital with 2 people parked in beds and she was told to wait. And wait we did. For 4 hours. No painkillers, no brief examination. Third example: the father of a friend was helping with constructing and suddenly fell 3 meters and landed on his back. Ambulance came but he never went to the local hospital because he was not in his home municipality. So there they went, 500 km over the road to the North with a fractured disk. And finally number 4, even though I could go on for a while. Last time I visited the dentist tehy discovered a cavity. They told me I had to wait for treatment. It would take about half a year. It’s 3/4 of a year and I am still waiting.

Strawmen arguments my ass. Public healthcare is only free when you don’t need it. Not really fair to those who are in bad health, is it? Without private healthcare to back up public sector, it would be a real problem.

More later!

#39: Our politicians are too concerned with covering the losses of companies such as Nova Group and Kaupthing to bother with petty things like healthcare. Capitalism ftw!

Oh yeah, our right wing government is also going to raise taxes. Brothels are not cheap, not even in Afghanistan.

Andy, I feel your pain. Honestly mate get out while you can. Get out before it destroys you, you drive and your company. These things take a while to realize but seeing as though you do (and I remember your positive early posts) now stop banging your head against a wall and bite the bullet. You’ll feel better for it I promise.

<Finnish healthcare isn’t free at the point of use – so it’s rather disingenuous to say it is.<

It does sound rather deceptive. When I lived in the UK, at first I was amazed that NHS was free. THought it was fantastic. and then….
I had to pay £7 per prescription medicine, regardless if it was really cheaper. And the doctor doesn't nearly kill me by giving me, the allergic person, penicillin. NHS dentists suck and are also really expensive.

At least in Finland the care is pretty high-quality.

But what's to complain. There are lots of worse things happening in health care systems in the world. Go to a doctor in a developing country and see…

How they treat swine flu really has zero to do with comment 36, it’s a separate issue.

What I find surprising (well not really, considering the blog), are the overwhelming numbers of uninformed people, including the blogger himself.

He posts a sensational headline: OMG OH NOES YOU CANT GET TREATMENT FOR TEH SWINE FLUEZ!1!1!1!1!

So what do you really think happens if you go to the health station, they tell you to piss off? No, you go there if you’re sick, and you get treatment. Yes, I’ve read the horror stories here, and I honestly think they’re written by people with private health care plans who’ve never been to a health station.

All the article on YLE meant is that it’s not being treated as a special case anymore. Quarantines aren’t going to help. It’s going to spread anyway. It simply means that when you feel sick and after a while you’re not getting better, FFS go to the frakking doctor!

I’ve never been refused treatment. I’ve never been told I have to wait a week. And yes, if you don’t like your doctor – shock horror, but you can actually complain and get another one.

And oh noes, Swine Flu isn’t treated for free anymore. Now you have to pay an entire 11€ to get treated! Just like any other illness! And if you’re too poor for even that, they will work with you. And if you’re going in for too many visits and tests, and having to pay over a certain amount (I think something like 500€) for meds, there’s a cap on how much you have to spend. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ILLNESS!

The only icky experience with state care I’ve had in my 11 years here is the ER, where they put all the young whippersnappers who don’t know shit, countered of course with awesome nurses. Otherwise, if you’re sick, you will get treated. Just because you get some dragon lady on the phone doesn’t mean you’re not entitled to care. Plenty of private practices also have dragon ladies heading off whoever thinks they need an appointment.

If you have some chronic problems, like with your sinuses or lungs, those offices are telling patients just skip the middleman and come see them during flu season. That’s what I’ve been told anyway, and I’m not a special case.

This all sounds reasonable, not at all what’s being said in this blog – that you won’t even get treated. Come the fuck on! If you can’t afford the 11€ visit, and the inexpensive (compared to the US) drugs, then you probably have financial problems much larger than what a swine flu would do to you. And even then, they will work with you.

Is state care perfect here? Well no of course not. But it’s misleading to say they won’t treat you. You’re just trying to sensationalize things, rather than RTFA. It’s not even a long article to read FFS.

How can you live in Finland, and not know shit about living in Finland?

Dumbest fucking thing I read in a long while. Did you drive a nail into your head Phil?

cyberg00se wrote: Yes, I’ve read the horror stories here, and I honestly think they’re written by people with private health care plans who’ve never been to a health station. There is no point in discussion if you start off like that. It’s like saying rapid climate change does not exist because I say so. What FFS is a “private health care plan” anyway? Do YOU live in Finland?

Wait a week then
Ask the dentist if they take you after 6 days 6 weeks or 6 months…

Especially if one has to STAY in hospital, the costs go rapidly up and in Finland, you DO NOT have to pay those (worst case: tens of thousands of euros), except for some minuscule hundreds of euros.

Now THAT is why a lot of Americans are going bankrupt because of in-patient hospital expenses plus thanks to PRE-EXISTING CONDITION clauses. That is some fucked up system you got there, Yanks.

Sandvik, My husband had the opportunity to live in Finland for approximately 18months due to his job. (We are US citizens.) Although I am sure that Finland is a wonderful country and my husband enjoyed his stay as much as possible, he was quite unprepared for the living conditions there and I’m not referring to the weather and daylight issues. Not only is everything so expensive there, the quality isn’t what he expected. I tried to tell him that it’s really like that all over Europe. He was glad to come home for many reasons. The people there are lovely but we are too spoiled to live like ya’ll do.

I should have added, on good advice from other Americans living there, my husband brought his own medications (prescription and OTC) because the availability there was poor. I just don’t understand.

#48: What in particular was he dissatisfied with? The retail cartel is one thing, of course. Then again, I’m not complaining about my 1k/month sea view. I wonder what I’d pay in NYC.

“The government is doing nothing to help small businesses.”

Au contraire Andy, I’ve read that VERO is helping a lot of small businesses declared bankrupt.

“There is a lot of marketing of ‘brand Finland’ to the outside world.”

Yeah, and the poor bastards believe it. Then when you tell people how things really are they start moaning “oh you are so-o negative”. Then they come here and become disillusioned whiney twats telling us exactly the things we told them like we would want to be reminded.

BTW what do you think of the latest news the doctors have made recommendations not to perscribe kids with TAMIFLU

Oh, and Andy – have you read *where* exactly your tax monies are going to?
http://budjetti.vm.fi/indox/tae/2010/vm_2010.html

Yes Hank I’m much mistaken. I do apologize. Everything is great. No worries and all that. Water under the bridge,. Finland is great. Everything is working well. We have no corruption. We get get value for our tax euro. Our kids are happy and well-adjusted. The weather is great too. Finnish people are crazy and interesting at the same time. They are great at sport. Really into music. Welcoming of foreigners. Have comedic talents. Tamiflu can be bad for kids and Finnish doctors spotted this early – they are the best for sure. Finnish soldiers are peacekeepers. Finnish politicians are honest to the core. Our houses are built to withstand earthquakes and bombs. Our beer tastes great and our food although expensive is of high quality. Foreigners whine because they don’t understand all of the above. It’s great to be Finnish – like winning the lottery. This is surely the moist developed place in the world – and look at our unspoiled forests and lakes!
I’m glad I live here and I’m glad I’ve integrated into to Finnish society at last. Many thanks for your encouraging comments over the years – you have finally nudged me in the right direction where I can see no wrong with the place where I live. Thanks.

majava – you, like everyone else on this retarded blog, are a retarded idiot. Yes, you can buy health insurance in Finland for private care.

OK, if that is wat you name a health care plan. I call that stupid. Paying big money for overpriced (government educated!) doctors’ advice. Just because you’re impatient. Didn’t you say I never used public health care? Think again! -the Idiot

You’re a bit of a slow person aren’t you? The law means that when they’re diagnosed they’re not treated as lepers, not they’re not treated at all. They are in fact, being encouraged to go to hospitals to be treated, by lack of COSTS! Socialized medicine means more people are healthy, lower INFANT mortality rates, and LESS people DEAD, BECAUSE OF LACK OF HEALTH CARE. 6 times the amount of people who died in 9/11 die every year in America, because we DO NOT HAVE SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE. Learn to read, and know your facts.

And for all those radical conservationists, YOU KEEP THE SAME DOCTOR under Obama’s proposal, and AMAZINGLY we would still have the same universities and professors.

Let me put it like this-
would you rather have someone who is private, has no obligation to keep you under their plan, and who can make a profit off of some ‘mishap’ in calculating costs OR someone whom you elected?

To you Brits- be happy, some prescriptions cost over $50 here (America) 25-30 pounds.

To Americans- the Brits spend 8% of their taxes on health care, we spend 16… and it’s not even ‘government controlled now’.

We’re being very ignorant to not adopt socialized health care, it’s cost less in the long run and more people would live and be healthy.

Yay, liberal Americans!

I live in the states and it really is not all fun and games. It is not the land of milk and honey unless, of course, you live in a 3rd world country and are starving to death and get adopted by Madonna or Brangelina. I’m just sayin…

It is a good posting. I like it. It’s pretty much impressive.

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