So..is the actual crime rate low in Finland or is it that the reported and convicted crime rate is low here? Great society.

Imagine you just got raped. You’re fucked up for life. Like you’ll be 90 and being having fucked up dreams about it.

Then on top of that, the guy who broke into your house and raped you, serves no jail time, just gets some sort of suspended sentence. That’s like getting raped all over again.

Oh nevermind, he was drunk at the time, he didn’t know what he was doing. Tisk tisk, Pekka! Try not to rape anymore girls, okay??

Maybe the ‘progressive’ way of thinking about rape is to look at it as kind of like ‘Borrowing without permission’.

Hey, I did a post about this a while back:

Rape Sentencing: US vs. Finland

Look up Finnish Rapist ‘Aseda Opudo’. He knows how the system works.

Hanging would be the proper punishment.

Ya, the article doesn’t mention anything about the quality of proof in any of these cases. I suspect that in most it was her word against his. It should also be considered that “physical injury” could result from a domestic dispute due to a soured relationship. She might have even initiated the violence! Then the woman could claim “rape” for no other reason than to be vindictive.

This type of dispute is very common in the drunken and often violent Finnish culture, especially in cases where the woman suspects the man of cheating on her. Judges know this very well.

For these reasons, I don’t ascribe much credibility to such news pronouncements. We’ve heard them all before. Most often they are politically motivated, and at best attempt to amplify and project a small minority of possible ‘bad results’ onto the broader population of cases. They very rarely offer convincing evidence or examples of it being a real problem.

What explains the increase in reported and under-reported rape in Sweden…Why do Mainstream media in Sweden and Finland gloss over and refuse to inform on politically correct failure of Mainstream media.to speak the ***TRUTH***!!

Oh yeah but if you go bankrupt you can end up with a life long ban from doing business and also life long bankruptcy.

But murder and rape. Now those are fine.You can kill a family and you’ll be out in no time.

And then these numb nuts wonder why people are afraid to do business in Finland.

I think the most important point in this was that the law is interested in the violence involved, and not so much in the ability of the victim to say yes or no, that is, it is not so important that the victim is unconscious, and so in no way consenting. That’s just sick, even though laws in other countries like Germany have the same outlook.

Pertti, you made a very interesting comment. Do you think there is any way of getting better statistics on how convincing the rape cases are that get this lenient treatment? From what you say, this would be more informative of the real situation (i.e. the real number of cases of real rape that go un- or underpunished). By the way, how does this compare to similar leniency in other kinds of crimes?

This could be like in Japan where ‘groping of bottom’ in metro is supposedly a problem, and Japanese authorities began policy to stupidly arrest men soley based on word of the woman. No proof or witnesses needed. What idiots lol

“Nelonen examined all sex crime cases handled by Finnish district courts over the past year and found out that prosecutors and courts have considered acts involving injury to the victim, or in which the woman’s home has been violently broken into, and even in which the victim has been kept a prisoner for several days, to meet the definition of “coercive sexual contact”, a category of sexual assault considered less serious than actual rape.”

- Guys break into houses and attack women and get little or no jailtime?!?!?

- As the ‘progressives’ attempt to move us all to that mythical ‘modern society’ they are going to have greater problems as more people opt out, causing problems for the rest of us. Just like eliminating the death penalty does nothing but leave more murderers around to deal with. Taking the position that it is somehow not the criminal’s fault is idiotic. How about taking a path back to personal responsibility…

Finns don’t Rape. After all, there is world renown Daycare and Schools, PISA, the Nanny State…

Fred Freedom Fry:
“Taking the position that it is somehow not the criminal’s fault is idiotic. How about taking a path back to personal responsibility…”

What? Now suddenly rape is a crime?

Here’s some nice photos of “not going far enough”:

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Have some personal quality time with those photos, Mr. Freedom Fry.

Nooooo… must be rogue operatives… mercs… Blackwater… anything… there’s no way the sweet boys of the US of A could do something likes this!?!?

Must be socialist propaganda… or maybe Winnie’s favorite sailor buddies… although I’m pretty sure they are more into getting pearl necklaced than giving some.

Makes me fucking sick. Sick.

But then again… this blog is about Finland, not about the US. Right, Phil?

For all the outrage poured out here, I cannot help wondering how many of you are for real.

I thought this is a democratic country. And so, the laws are more or less agreed by the majority. So, either you guys are just all foreigners who cannot vote or are just chatting here for the sake of it.

For this topic of rape-and-punishment and other “bizzare” court decisions, I have had numerous argument with Finns and foreigners alike. It can often turn into rather personal, even though the person has no experience of rape: not raped, no friends nor relatives raped before. I have to admit it is not as black-and-white a case, especially when you can afford such luxury to think and consider in a country like Finland.

I tend to take it personal and think as if all the rapists would possibly come and rape my wife, my child or friends on day. So, all rapists should be castrated and locked up in a homosexual prison of the same sex.

But then would it do the society any good? Rape is not a crime serious enough to put away a person for life, in most of the countries I know. When the rapist is released, would the punishment deter further crime? Or would such punishment deter rape crime in general anyway? Look at the US of A, where there are severe punishment, how does the crime rate look? Or look at South East Asia, where drug traffiking is a guarantee capital punishment, how is the crime rate going on?

Certainly, if and when such misfortunate should happen to people close to me (I am a male by the way), I would probably never speak in such an objectivism. However, given such privilege, I might just as well take advantage of it. And I suppose this is also how the majority of the Finnish people have done, hence such laws and court decisions passed in regard to rape crime.

If people are really upset about the crimes and angry at the laws, they sure would be changed by now. Likewise, if Finns (and many other European citizens) are really so against rape as a war weapon, genocides and using children as soldiers, there should have been much more decisive and definite actions earlier.

It turns out democracy is not as democratic as it might suggest. Without the majority you are screwed. Minor numbers are almost like acceptable errors of statistics. And it is always far too easy just to sit back and whine among friends or in web forums.

“So, all rapists should be castrated and locked up in a homosexual prison of the same sex”.

I never knew a prison could be homosexual, do tell me more, O wise guru.

I understand that rape cases can be very difficult to prosecute especially in the cases where the individuals are acquainted in any way even if it’s one evening out. Women are also reluctant to come forward and take the stand on account of feeling like they themselves will be victimized again by the legal process. Lawyers have been known to drag a victim through the mud to try and disprove her case. Here in the US when a woman goes to a hospital to report she’s been raped there are “rape kits” that are used to collect evidence and it’s documented by the examiner. I would assume that alcohol is used as an “excuse” in many cases. I would think a toxicology panel would be run to check for levels of certain substances as well.

What I don’t understand are lenient sentences. If someone is convicted of this heinous crime they should go to a maximum security PMITA facility for at least 20 years+. To rob is to steal someone’s property, to kill to steal someone’s life, to rape is to steal someone’s soul.

Sorry, Franky but those are not U.S. fatigues in your fapping photos.

I know and know of women and girls in Finland who have been raped, assulted, harassed and molested. Why don’t they or someone close to them report it I ask? Response either is “I don’t know”, “Nothing will happen anyway”, “Not my business”, or “They were drunk”

In practise democracy is quite flawed, sadly.
Almost everyone wants much less money to the politicians if not them to resign much often.
The majority want harder sentences to the rapers which instead don’t even get fined… Who steals some bread goes to prison.

Franklin,
I have no clue what happened to you, but clearly you have developed some sort of mental disease, and clearly the Finnish health care system is not going to be able to assist you.

Why do I get the idea that you just like to see other people suffer, especially people who suffer through no fault of their own. You hate Americans and worse, you have a soft spot for tyrants who are the ones who do real damage around the globe.

Every case of bad behavior done by an American is held up as the norm of our behavior. Bad behavior by Finns is ignored. Personal responsibility is ignored.

You are real big in the internet, but I know your type. You are the type to see a woman being beat up in downtown Helsinki and just watch, figuring that it is too risky to try and stop it, and that she probably did something to deserve it. That is the difference between you and me. You will sit on your ass all day and blame your problems on everyone else. Me, I’ll go do something about it. Same with America. We are always doing. Sure it might not be the right thing, but is is surely better than doing nothing and then declaring victory as the whole planet goes down the tubes.

One more thing.
Fuck off.

“What I don’t understand are lenient sentences. If someone is convicted of this heinous crime they should go to a maximum security PMITA facility for at least 20 years+”

And somebody clearly caught lying about it should get 30+ years, like in the case of Keskinen?

Me, I’ll go do something about it. Same with America. We are always doing. Sure it might not be the right thing, but is is surely better than doing nothing

Behold, another mystifying comment by Fred FREEDOM Fry.

Fred Fry – I agree with you 100%. Especially about the Finns bad behaviour being generaly ignored or even excused and accepted here, while same time same behaviour performed by a foreigner gets national bashing from the Finns. Two faced, double standards hypocryts – majority of them. With the rare exceptions of decent people.
And there goes one more myth – equal rights of women. There is no rape in Finland, it’s a “casual sex with a total stranger”. It’s not a crime then,is it?

Swedish women do it better then Suomi whimpy men!
http://www.thelocal.se/20300/20090626/

Now comes again some more news how cheap a crime it is to rape underage girls.

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1705970

A policeman was convicted raping a 15-year old. And now the court decided to reduce his punishment from 2.5 years jail time to 22 months conditional jail time (custodial sentence). Financial compensation to the victum was also reduced from 8000 euros down to 5000 euros
One reason given for such reduction is that the violence used was minimal and the crime happened close to the “legal” age of 16-year old.

Another case of a 15-year old being raped, gang raped actually,
http://www.karjalainen.fi/Karjalainen/Uutiset_maakunta/tohmaj%C3%A4rven_joukkoraiskaustuomiot_alenivat_reippaasti_4798929.html

All the 5 guys were convicted. For the 2 main guys convicted of serious child sexual assault, the court just (again) reduced the sentence from 5 years down to 2 years 10 months jail time.

Man, this kind of sentence is also given to tax evasion convicts!
I suppose it is not quite a system of lex talionis then.

It looks as if some kind of insurance company case, that the victums also need to pay some “omavastuu”.
Like “they should have tried to avoid being raped.”
And the cases here are not just about rape, these are underage being raped.
With such sentences, it is like pedopheliacs are getting a message that “if you want to rape little girls, get some 14 – 15 year-olds, not 12 or 13.

I certainly for one would really want to see more appropriate punishment of such sex crimes. And I can see there has been a lot of angry discussions why there can such court decisions. However, this might be yet another Finnish behaviour that the politicians would not do a thing until things really get out of control or then these news get publicised by some foreign press.

Fred Freedom Fry:
“You hate Americans”

Not at all. I hate hypocritical idiots like you.

“you have a soft spot for tyrants who are the ones who do real damage around the globe. ”

I definitely do not have a soft spot for Dumbya and his kind.

“You are real big in the internet, but I know your type. You are the type to see a woman being beat up in downtown Helsinki and just watch, figuring that it is too risky to try and stop it”

Interesting theory, Freedom Fry. And what would you do if your commanding officer told you to stick a chemical light up a prisoner’s rectum – for Cheesus and “democracy”? I bet you’d jump at the opportunity. Or are you rather the kind to cheer on the sidelines while someone else does it? Or would that not be going far enough? Should the prisoner first be disemboweled?

“Me, I’ll go do something about it. Same with America. We are always doing. Sure it might not be the right thing”

Indeed. Same with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and other high achievers.

Oh, talk about lenient sentences:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article572264.ece

Freedom Fry – drop dead, you repulsive twat.

Same with Hitler, Stalin..Mannerheim

Weren’t those guys FF mentioned the friendly uncles of Finland?

Generally I am against the capital punishment but reading morons like Franklin the Turtle..I wonder about the decapitation – could be used in a good cause.

Number one resident idiot wrote:

“Same with Hitler, Stalin..Mannerheim

Weren’t those guys FF mentioned the friendly uncles of Finland?”

First of all he didn’t mention Mannerheim so please don’t lie even though you always seem to love to do so. If we are to include Mannerheim in that list then we might as well put bigger war criminals in there too like Truman and Churchill for example.

Second where the hell did you get the idea that Stalin was a friendly uncle of Finland? No don’t answer that, we already know you are dumb dipshit who has now grasp of reality.

Now go put your white hood on and take your protein pills today. This is ground control for major moron.

Oh the True Finn blood is boiling again:))) Good, otherwise you moron would forget that you live.

“Second where the hell did you get the idea that Stalin was a friendly uncle of Finland?”

Do walk you moron from Olympia terminal a bit furteher and read carefully the sign on the monument dedicated to Finland – Soviet Union friendship.

And here is more:

* “Suomen kansa ja Suomen hallitus tekevät kunniaa generalissimus Stalinin paarien ääressä.”

Pääministeri Kekkonen samana päivänä pitämässään radiopuheessa. (Gummerus, Vuosisatamme kronikka, 1987, ISBN 951-20-2893-X, s. 749)

Don’t belive that – check it.

And how about you fuck off to your forestland for a month or so and let the mosquitos drill your brain like most of your great nation does at this time of the year? That of course if there is anything left to drill.
And stop for fuck sake changing those nicks from FF to CC to some el paso whatever. Your comments are alost transparent so stick to one of your split sick personalities as Finland really does not need any more idiots that it has already.

Here CC is a link to your Uncle Joseph and his Finnish fanclub:

http://antifasistit.blogspot.com/2009/01/suomen-pministerin-urho-kekkosen.html

Do you want one on Mannerheim and Hitler’s collaboration too?

Real style – and almost admirable lack of knowledge.

Not half as admirable as your willingness to hide and twist the ugly facts. Or perhaps you forgot how to read in Finnish.

“Oh the True Finn blood is boiling again:))) Good, otherwise you moron would forget that you live.”

Does not compute. In plain English if you please.

Mussuka, yeah okay Stalin was a really good friend of Finland. He loved the Finns so much that he just had to come and hug them with guns that shot flowers and tanks that fired beautiful rainbows that exploded in candy.

You have proven to be an idiot for how many times. Really I have lost count. What I really would like to know is why are you so persistant in your idiocy?

“And how about you fuck off to your forestland for a month or so and let the mosquitos drill your brain like most of your great nation does at this time of the year? That of course if there is anything left to drill.”

Meh how about no. Poor troll is a poor troll, you really need to step up.

“And stop for fuck sake changing those nicks from FF to CC to some el paso whatever. Your comments are alost transparent so stick to one of your split sick personalities as Finland really does not need any more idiots that it has already.”

What the voices are troubling you again? I told Franklin that we should stop whispering inside your head but alas he’s a big meany and won’t stop so I gathered why should I if none of the other residents living in the dusty chambers that we call your mind won’t stop, why should I.

And perhaps you still insist on being a True Foreigner, even if you smell of Finnish stupidity more than a swamp in Lapland does? Now, that would take an idiot to belive your story.

You have just proved that your dear ex-president was almost shining the shoes of Uncle Joseph, despite what the deceased had planned for your land. Nice politics, eikö niin? And many older Finns still would do it would he be alive. Even Chinese consider Suomi as a truly communist country, who can deny it reading speeches of Kakkonen?

“And perhaps you still insist on being a True Foreigner, even if you smell of Finnish stupidity more than a swamp in Lapland does?”

So you have already made a prototype of that smell sensing computer?

“Now, that would take an idiot to belive your story.”

Like you

“You have just proved that your dear ex-president was almost shining the shoes of Uncle Joseph,”

How have I proven that? You seriously aren’t making any sense, at all. BTW where did you go to school ’cause I sure hope that you didn’t have to pay for your crappy education. Nah it can’t be the quality of education you got, it’s because you are just a dimwitted little moron.
It’s truly amazing that you have learned how to read and write even though you lack the skills of a normal human being under the age of 5 in both categories. Nevertheless, good girl. Who’s a good girl?, you are, yes you are.

“Nice politics, eikö niin?”

Considering that Stalin had been dead for 3 years until Kekkonen was elected as president. I consider it to be quite a remarkable feat. Never knew that he was a powerful necromancer/psychic too, thanks for the pearl of wisdom you just gave me.

“Even Chinese consider Suomi as a truly communist country,”

How so? The chinese haven’t been communist since Deng Xiaoping initiated his politics on the economy of China.

“who can deny it reading speeches of Kakkonen?”

Never heard of him. Who is he/she?

BTW that quote you so eloquently thought that would prove that Stalin was a great “friend” of Finland is quite pathetic really. You do have to take into account the conditions after the war but I know you just like taking things out of context like the simpleton you are. So here’s a nice quote from a man who many consider a hero and saviour of a certain isle and it’s inhabitants

“A great luck for Russia was that at the times of hardships she was headed by such a genius and talented commander as Joseph Stalin.”

- Winston Churchill

There’s more by the way and Churchill had little reason to praise him while the Cold War was in full swing. Churchill sure loved his mass murdering tyrants after all he aspired to be one, didn’t he? With the bombing of Dresden and all.

Oh and almost forgot. Are you seriously reading stuff from the idiot that is Johan Bäckman and his ilk and taking it seriously? You might as well say you don’t believe the holocaust happened and jews/illuminati/free masons rule the world and desire a One World Government so that the Anti-Christ could rule the world.

Are you the hobo who walks near hakaniemen kauppahalli with the “The end is nigh” sign?

Did you get that anti-rabbi injection at last you silly cunt? You quote from the same page and then you call me a liar?

Churchil, you dickhead bombed the enemies during the war and as an act of revenge for millions murdered by them while your dear friend Josep happily tortured and slaughtered own folks and people from countries that he claimed were the USSR allies. A bit of difference.

I will rather have a British army walking through my land at any time than a single platon of Red Bolshevicks.

And since they killed your folks too, stole your land and now buy it parcel after parcel, explain to me the eternal fascination of Russians that is so visible in Finland.

Tussumussu, if you are for real you have definitely developed ignorance into an art form. In any case, I salute you sincerely from the bottom of my heart.

brb basement

JAMMUSETÄÄ ªªªªªª

Now now fella’s, I feel we’ve strayed from the subject a little. Only one way to settle this like gentlemen… Gin & tonic and an arm wrestle!

OPEUM is a cock

is it true that the llegal age to have sex is 12 in finland

Hyvä Soomi

I can’t believe NOBODY is brave enough to bring up the race issue of him being BLACK. I’m sure I’ll have dozens of you PC-parrots labeling me as a racist despite the obvious fact that he was a black savage occupying a semi-civilized western nation.

Thats Shit! Its not Legal in here.

My heart goes out to all victims. I am a male and have been a victim of assault. Not anywhere near as what have been through. I was a corrections officer. I spent 12 hours a day surrounded by molesters, rapists, and others. It came to a point where I had toresign, because one day, I knew I would have a few people disappear. With that being said, For me, rape = murder. Why? Because it can kill the spirit or will to function, live and even think.

rape aint legal you dumbhass

If you live in Finland, you are being Raped, one way or another, sad but true.

Finnish Media = Propaganda

rape is legal in 88 countries, stop trying to be a smart ass 

Wow. Yeah, that was pretty racist. “Black Savage”? Any race or colour can be a rapist.

I’m pretty sure it’s something that’s not even close to rape… some idiot below posted about consensual sexual contact by a policeman with a 15 year old called that “rape” … what a fucking moron! it’s rape only if the victim is below the age of puberty, but some retarded relious nuts, established the age of consent way above that… some countries like germany, italy, austria, spain are far more reasonable in this respect…

Old post, but in case anyone ends up reading this… no, the age limit is 16. 

you said “it’s rape only if the victim is below the age of puberty” so when I was screaming NO at the top of my lungs while the masked man had me pinned down with a knife to my throat, because I am in my 30′s it is not rape?  You stupid ass, Rape is Rape no matter the age if a woman says NO if its a date, a husband, a stranger . . . if she says NO even if she previously said yes, if she says NO it IS rape.