Finland, violator of human rights?
Wow! From YLE…
Finland has received more judgments handed down by the European Court of Human Rights than the rest of the Nordic countries together over the past 15 years.
According to the newspaper Turun Sanomat, Finland has received a total of 75 binding decisions, of which all but one have been made over the past 15 years.
Sweden, for example, has received a total of 22 court judgments, Norway 19, Denmark 9 and Iceland just one.
In April, the European Court of Human Rights reprimanded Finland over the eight-year long case of a Helsinki man. The court intends to hear nine Finnish cases concerning questions of freedom of speech.
Finland has, so far, lost three-quarters of its cases before the court.
Well we know that basic freedom of speech is often lacking in this country. Here’s some other human rights concerns in Finland, from Wikipedia…
1. Conscientious objectors to both military and civilian service are jailed for six months. There are about 10-20[citation needed] conscientious objectors every year. Most are in minimum security, open facilities, and objecting is not entered on criminal records.
2. Charges of racist/xenophobic treatment of ethnic minorities by officials, and that refugees are hand-picked by the Ministry of the Interior on basis of country of origin citing “security reasons”.[citation needed]
3. A case in which agitated asylum seekers were drugged, for deportation.[citation needed]
4. Unfair court action in the light of the verdicts of the European Court of Human Rights.[citation needed]* Handling time has been unacceptably long particularly in civil cases or criminal court cases relating to bankruptcy, e.g. eight years in the court of first instance and 12 years in total
Really?? Nooo..Phil, you must have got that piece of news wrong. NOTHING like that could happen in the paradise country (read Suomi). Must have been China or Congo, not beautiful Finland for sure.
Comment by Mussuka — Mon, May 4th, 2009 @ 8:42 am
Kari Uoti has been fighting the system for a long time and he has a blog:
http://www.kariuoticonsulting.fi/blog/view/391#comments
Basically what he is saying in that posting is that in Finland people are forced to testify against themselves or be punished. Something you do not have to do in America due to fifth amendment.
Comment by I plead the fifth — Mon, May 4th, 2009 @ 12:55 pm
Firstly the lack of reporting does not mean the absence of incidence.
It is very hard to believe there would be such a real gap between nordic countries.
Secondly the existance of human rights violation does not necesserily contribute to the average experience of its citizens. America after all seems to be great to many patrons of this blog despite of torture, child prisoners, racism, religious zealotry, slavery, corruption, gross social unequality, imprisoning the mentally ill and the innocent, jailing people for minor offences and what not.
Comment by philtard — Mon, May 4th, 2009 @ 5:03 pm
How can someone be a conscientious objector to civilian service? What’s there to object to?
Comment by Natsku — Mon, May 4th, 2009 @ 7:45 pm
“How can someone be a conscientious objector to civilian service? What’s there to object to?”
1. Military service only applies to men. Women and the “Swedes” on their homogenic little island(this isn’t a problem though, due to Ålands demilitarisized status) plus Laestadians need not to serve according to the law. The funny part is that this law is against the Finnish constitution and several international human rights laws which have been ratified in Finland.
2. The length of Civil service is considerate to be punishing in nature due to it’s longer service time.
In number 1. People object because of the discriminatory nature of the law and thus choose prison in order to draw attention to this human rights violation.
Number 2 is connected to number one.
Comment by Cunt — Mon, May 4th, 2009 @ 8:58 pm
philtard, you do realize that more than half of your post was devoted to America, not Finland.
Is that how the justice system works in Finland? If one is accused of a crime, then all he must do is accuse another person of another crime?
I don’t think so.
Comment by Dave the Revelator — Mon, May 4th, 2009 @ 9:35 pm
In Finland, police can hold you for 14 DAYS without charging you with anything.
In Finland, your police record (if you have one, you surely don’t know about it) is OFF LIMITS to you.
Comment by Dave the Revelator — Mon, May 4th, 2009 @ 9:37 pm
“In Finland, your police record (if you have one, you surely don’t know about it) is OFF LIMITS to you.”
Wrong. If you have one, you should know about it, of course, if you’ve been too drunk to notice that the police took you to putka, then that’s another matter. But you have a right to get all the information there is about you in a possible record at the police.
Comment by anna — Tue, May 5th, 2009 @ 6:00 pm
“1. Military service only applies to men. Women and the “Swedes” on their homogenic little island(this isn’t a problem though, due to Ålands demilitarisized status) plus Laestadians need not to serve according to the law. The funny part is that this law is against the Finnish constitution and several international human rights laws which have been ratified in Finland.
2. The length of Civil service is considerate to be punishing in nature due to it’s longer service time.
In number 1. People object because of the discriminatory nature of the law and thus choose prison in order to draw attention to this human rights violation.
Number 2 is connected to number one.”
Civilian service gives you allows you to get work experience which helps you find jobs which is useful when people don’t have so much work experience when they graduate from university. And the longer length of time makes sense as its only a day job while military service is much more intense time-wise.
Comment by Natsku — Tue, May 5th, 2009 @ 7:08 pm
natsiko?
Comment by passerbye — Tue, May 5th, 2009 @ 11:25 pm
“Civilian service gives you allows you to get work experience”
Depends on the place you’re doing your service at. (Is the work experience your getting beneficial in your future aspirations)
“which helps you find jobs which is useful when people don’t have so much work experience”
See above and BTW way this work experience can be achieved regardless of civil service like getting a real job
“when they graduate from university.”
It depends if you can get a service place in your field of study. Besides most people attending a university have to work to support themselves so they’ll get work experience regardless of wheter they have choosed military or civil service.
“And the longer length of time makes sense as its only a day job while military service is much more intense time-wise.”
Perhaps, but it still doesn’t remove the discriminatory status of mandatory military service. Plus the “intense” time spend in the military depends a lot on what you’re doing. There are plenty of easy “jobs” there and plenty of useless waiting.
Comment by Anonymous — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 1:34 am
Suomi just***LOVES*** to make a fast buck off a despicable ***COMMIE***
friend ,that was responsible for slaughtering uncountable people.
Satana perkele!
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 11:57 am
Guess who this despicable piece of ***PASKA*** is!?..
Do Finns love the color red and hammer and sickle?
http://www.lenin.fi/uusi/uk/index.htm
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 12:00 pm
This photo-op of King HUSSEIN Obambi shaking the hand of a commie pinko indicates he would just love to suck up to fearless leader Lenin,
if given the opportunity…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/17/obama-and-hugo-chavez-sha_n_188515.html
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 12:11 pm
***LINE UP*** Suomi…It’s time to get forced education about
Suomi’s hero’s from the past,present and future!
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 12:19 pm
don’t cite that Wikipedia article, it’s shit. incompleteness and anecdotes instead of content. how do I know this? I wrote most of it.
anyway, I suspect the real reason for this result is friction between eurocrats and parochial Finnish public servants.
Comment by Anonymous — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 8:56 pm
v.i. lenin:***PASKA***…My freakin’ ass hurts and I soiled myself..
v.i. lenin:… I HEARD THAT!….some bastard in the audience yelled
***SUKSI VITTUN!***…..YOU NINCOMPOOP!!!….you skied in the wrong
direction!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r64_BSccEgI&feature=related
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 10:02 pm
v.i.lenin…TAKE 2…GO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoUYcDrCRdM&feature=related
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 10:05 pm
infinndel:…I’M…IN….LOVE….the bi-atch from BOSTON….
has turned GAY…i like the feeling of cold marble and granite
Lenin icons….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsKW6YDZNp4&feature=related
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Wed, May 6th, 2009 @ 10:29 pm
Finn multi-cultural export:
http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/05/finnish-funded_prison_turns_brothel_724554.html
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Thu, May 7th, 2009 @ 12:36 am
***LOVIN’ IT!***
http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/05/usa_sends_finnish_lions_packing_724643.html
Comment by infinndel the jenkki dogg — Thu, May 7th, 2009 @ 12:57 am
[citation needed]
Comment by Anonymous — Thu, May 7th, 2009 @ 9:25 am
Racist Finland – no surprise there, at least not for foreigners hat have lived (or are still foolishly living) in the institutionalised racist cess pit that is Finland
Comment by Anonymous — Fri, May 8th, 2009 @ 9:58 pm
Theres no racism in Finland, theres just discrimination against the stupid.
Comment by Hank W. — Tue, May 19th, 2009 @ 10:10 am
As a response to Anonymous’ comment, I am a non-white immigrant from the States living in Finland. Although I so think that racially discriminatory remarks and jokes are acceptable, I don’t think that there is much overt racial bigotry from the younger people. Although many people seem to equate immigrants with elevated crime levels (possibly statistically supported), etc, most (I am sure there are exceptions) don’t actually act on their underlying prejudices.
Comment by Chris — Tue, May 26th, 2009 @ 9:51 pm