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29.10.2008

Exit Strategies

Tags: Everything — Author:   @ 10:51 am

The Finnish gun control debate got fuel from the recent school shootings that were placed a year apart. A lot of discussion was made about school bullying, alienated youth and the evils of the internet as well as the downsizing and lack of funds in youth mental care. Calls were made for the government to give more funding – of course this being a cosmetic fix as the whole mental health programme has slowly been cheesesliced silly.

Yesterday brought again some news showing that the welfare society isn’t faring that well. Two middle-aged couples were found dead in their homes. In Porvoo a policeman and his wife in their 40′s had both committed suicide by the man’s quite legal hunting weapons leaving a note. They police say both had been depressed also with physical ailments and there has been speculation that the suicide may have been triggered by the social welfare removing three foster children they had been caring for . Meanwhile in Helsinki two schoolage kids were orphaned when their parents were found dead in their home. The police have stated that the neighbours called the police after hearing a row and shots, the man apparently shot the women with an army service weapon and after that himself .

Only last week in Oulu a 43-year old man shot his 39 year old wife and children aged 11 and 9. Both parents were teachers at the local schools, and were living an outwardly happy life. Some financial troubles were looming ahead as they were building a new house just getting finishing touches but their old house they were selling was showing water damage, in what is called a “two home trap”.

So really, I am at loss to even guess as to where the politicians shall point the blame this time over, can’t be the evils of the internet nor school bullying and legal hunting weapons are commonplace not to mention people who professionally have access to firearms. Of course the weather’s been quite horrid and the world finances have toppled, but even as a trigger to melancholia that doesn’t explain what then makes adult, educated, professional people in their late 40′s do such drastic decisions? Financial troubles are usually in the background in a downward spiral but is it a cause or effect or both. The economists say the trends don’t follow a pattern necessarily.

And this isn’t restricted to only one age group. Last July an elderly 88 year old man killed his bedridden wife at the nursing home and shot himself after killing his two handicapped daughters in their 50′s leaving a message he couldn’t cope with it any more. So it isn’t just the one thing but a combination.

I think we are just now starting to reap the seeds of all this privatization and moving towards a competitive economy that was started in the 1990′s. There are services, but there is no outreach, and usually the people in most dire need cannot or won’t seek the help themselves. And even those who do need to take drastic measures – just in the summer a young man in Kerava stabbed an 14-year old girl just picking her random, as a motive he said “he wished treatment”.  Nevermind all the county finances having been cheesesliced to the minimum already so what would you expect the health care, let alone mental healthcare at a bare minimum.

The orthodox chaplain Father Mitro said that it is evident that along with prosperity there has also been the flipside people have been closing their eyes from, and it should be the whole society to take a stand on what is going on. He said that instead of having floral agendas the government should inspire the people and reach out. The former chair of the Mental Health Association Pirkko Lahti says that she is afraid these events will not remain the only ones and fears they might lead to an epidemic as people will see this as a way out of their situation. She says that people should go ask for help and she feels especially sorry for the five orphaned children.

Of course as the international newsvultures haven’t landed to feed on the carrion the government has poked its head into the sand and discusses more relevant and current issues, like political correctness training to the new councils. Probably they’ll allocate funds to some nice brochures showing how happy and joyful place Finland is, after all its positive thinking and prozac that shall save the world. And then they still wonder why the people “voted wrong”.

  • Dave the Extrapolator

    I wouldn’t lump the 88 year old guy who shot his bedridden wife in with the rest of these deaths, at least in terms of “why did he do it?”… But then again, as you say, it is the service outreach that lies at the heart of this “problem.”

    It is neverending cutbacks to the social programs that likely contribute greatly to these events.

  • v.i.lenin

    One reason for the utter desperation might be the harshness of debt in Finland. As I understand it, there’s no bankruptcy as we know it; here they’ll come in and take your furniture away fer chrissake. Someone who knows the law here better, please discuss.
    This kind of inability to restart one’s life might weigh upon one’s decision to end the current one.

  • Andy Campbell

    Exit strategies have a certain amount of arrogance and pride attached to them. The kind of thinking that says only I know best and only I know how to end this situation.
    There is no flexibility in thinking – no pleasure taken from life – no wish to understand the other point of view. No idea that reality is relative and that my hardships are just that – hardships that make life a struggle but at the same time an adventure.
    As Monty Python sang ‘ always look on the bright side of life..’ – I’m not being flippant here but the ability to laugh at your situation and move on is what makes us more human and interesting. There need not be the idea of a ‘final solution’ or exit strategy. Very arrogant thinking indeed.
    it would be great though if there were more outreach. I’ve often thought society can be pretty cruel to 40 year olds and it’s good to identify those at risk. We need a government campaign against depression – we need some laughs – maybe the government or the schools can train people in their to be less serious. Or maybe us foreigners can provide the laughs. Non-stop Monty Python and Blackadder. An YLE comedy channel. Or maybe we can set up pubs where people talk to each other.
    When proud people feel isolated and feel that life has taken a wrong term – then yes they do need help. Help to feel less isolated and help to see that life is not as solid and dense as all that.

  • Dave the Revelator

    I guess Nose Day will help, eh Andy?

    http://www.nenapaiva.fi/FI/Sivut/etusivu2008.aspx

    I don’t think one can blame people who shoot themselves and their loved ones of arrogance… Perhaps “being mental,” “depressed” or “nuts,” but not “arrogant.”

  • Dave the Revelator

    By the way, the Nose Day thing was sarcasm, if anyone was wondering. For some reason “events” like Nose Day REALLY make me ill.

  • Andy Campbell

    Arrogant? Misguided? Not everyone who gets depressed ends up becoming a killer. What makes these depressed people more likely to pull the trigger? They must have a lot of certainty in what they are doing. But really who can make these sorts of decisions? Anyone who pulls a trigger either out of aggression or depression must have a mix of arrogance, false pride, obviously anger, fear also.
    There must be a sense that life cannot be salvaged. Cannot be made to work in their favor.
    Red nose days are pretty good. I know the comedy isn’t that good. But huge national charity events to consider the less fortunate are beneficial. We should have an anti-depression day (or week) here in Finland. The issue needs to be seriously addressed.

  • Guns don’t kill people… or do they?

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94309881&show_article=1

    “It’s all legal & fun—No permits or licenses required!!!!” reads the ad, posted on the club’s Web site.

  • Finns are Commies

    Suicide in the highest taxed country in Europe?

    Gee, that’s never happened before. Must be something new.

    Right.

  • Dave the Revelator

    Yeah, it must be the taxes.

  • Hank W.

    I need to add it is the publicity of tax records, actually.

  • m

    YESSS IT IS THE VEROPÖRSSI!!!1111

  • Obse.

    Still i wonder why i haven’t heard about similar cases happened in the foreigners community here, who are target of racism, bullying, discrimination, unemployment, minimal wages, culture shock, lack of integration, nostalgia, ….. have you ever heard about it?
    Until here, i guess some finns dislike open their heart to the near-ones to tell them about their own problems, So i could agree with Andy to say that is simply the arrogance and the Realityphobia!..In some forums, they blame the absence of the religion, and this is quite logical too…Anyway that’s sad and sick to take own life, and something has to be done before it could take part inside the culture.

  • Obse.

    #9.It’s not about the taxes itself, it’s about how to deal with a life crushed by high taxes. i am sure there is a way to do it.

  • Obse.

    Controlling the internet and banning the guns doesn’t help, you can’t fight the cancer in its last stage!

  • v.i.lenin

    @12: Of course we know the stereotype of the light-lipped Finn who seemingly never talks about himself but then every once in a very long while gets sh*tfaced and suddenly opens up (for example to his woman) and before you know it he’s blubbering away about how rotten his life is …

    but in every stereotype lies a truth …

  • Andy Campbell

    @ I really wish that could change. Denial is really not healthy.

  • infinndel the jenkki dogg

    Off topic…
    Last night I saw fabulous performance by Laika and the Cosmonauts,
    in Northampton Massachusetts…
    They are finishing their Farewell tour in U.S.A.
    They were freaking great and got standing ovations at a packed concert venue…EVERYONE loved them and they enjoyed their star status!
    Tonight I will see them again in Fall River Massachusetts!
    I bought their new compilation CD “COSMOPOLIS” and they all autographed it…They were very friendly to me at the bar and cd/t-shirt table…They were impressed by my vocabulary of Finn
    swear-words…they repeatedly asked me to
    say SUKSI VITTUN! LOL! ;-)

  • Gary

    Nice post, but a bit tough to read, being a giant wall of text and all. Paragraphs are good.

    I agree that it has to be more than the internet, bullying, etc. I don’t know that this has anything to do with the economy as such. (i.e. privatization, etc) You can’t help people that won’t/can’t help themselves. Why would it matter how the funds/services are dealt out, socially vs. privately? In both cases, these people still need to seek out the treatment themselves.

    It is a shame that they when they make these decisions they don’t just take out themselves, but other people who have nothing to do with their delusions and frustrations.

  • Somedude

    In welfare countries people kill themselves. In countries without welfare poor people kill you for your watch. Pick a side. At least with welfare you have a choice.

  • Hank W.

    #12 Maybe you missed the Taiwanese lady killing her 3 children and trying suicide who got sentenced in Espoo a while back? And then there was the Estonian guy stabbing his wife on the local bus and the Chinese guy stabbing his gf and in-laws in Hämeenlinna and last year a Greek guy murdering his wife… Well, maybe you do miss them as they don’t exactly flaunt ethnicity always.

  • Hank W.

    #18 Having the database working so it doesn’t fuck up the updates is even better – unfortunately a luxury in these parts… hopefully the chapters are now back where they’re supposed to be.

    Anyways – it is the question of money in the end. The counties have no money so they let iat all be. So even those who reach in themselves wanting help get pills and told to come back in a few months… and we all know the Finns’ tendency of self-medicating depression with alcohol.

  • http://koti.phnet.fi/bevertje/ majava

    @ Hank, in #20 But isn’t this about killings (from) and suicides of people who are depressed, driven to the edge, see no way out instead of (in the foreigner examples) people that do it out of rage, revenge or because they went mental??? I fail to see the former mentioned in the examples.

  • winter

    I say tax the rich, give all their money to the poor, then put depression watches on the non rich just to rub it in that they are now poor and can’t do anything about it.

    By the way I am in Hollard, again, and if the friggen BBC would quit showing those poor folks in Africa, getting shot at…. Gee why upset the EU, with that stuff, you have no ability (Army) to fix it, no political will (White flags for all), so why why why even show that stuff.

    Its just plain depressing, and you all are not going to do a thinggie, except the white flag ???????

    Suppress the news BBC…Geeeeeeeee

  • Hank W.

    #22 I think the “depression” played a big part in the Espoo children case. And I’d say this Herttoniemi one was then again “going mental”… so I wouldn’t say this is only about depression. I mean help also is needed in the anger management end of things as well… My point – I had a couple – was that the need and the supply don’t meet. And thats the “problem” here. Other factors contribute to this but some groups are more vulnerable of course… and the “system sucks”, apart from weather, economy, society, internet….
    and my other point is that the big parties ought not whine its “wrongly voted” if people vote for populist parties. They should look in the mirror and ask what has gone wrong – and moreover what have they done wrong and is there any way to rectify the situation.

  • winter

    Ok, I am going threw the channels here in Amsterdam and they have……Aljaz endorcing chairman Obama…great the propoganda channel likes him.

  • Hank W.

    So whats this with Obama buying a half-hour commercial? Is it going to have a commercial break in the middle?

  • winter

    Hank its an info commercial, and hid did it already.

  • winter

    Gee, its the BBC again on TV here, the Congo with UN help is falling apart, will the Europeans please go help…

    //Wait, you can’t. To weak, and all French Flags of surrender

  • Dave the Extrapolator

    Your days are numbered, winter. Soon Obama will suck dry what is left of your bank account and then you’ll have to sell the hummers, the interior-painted sauna, the boats, the jetskis, the laptop, the 400 flags on your front lawn, and finally, your house.

    geeee….

  • Dave the Extrapolator

    With news this bad it makes ya wanna go drain a bottle of Rum and go fuck a couple a sailors, eh winter?

    Geee…..

  • sam the ham

    welfare state is gone by now. taxes are lower than many can remember. change the tune dopes. this is finland. we kill people here, if not others then purselves. one reseacher said on tv interview that before the war years this happened more often than now but the media coverage creates the impression that this is something new or fantastic.
    and hank is right. the center party has betrayed its voters for years. now they are paying. social democrats wrecked the welfare state for 12 years under the leadership of paavo lipponen and they are paying now. that is the way it is.
    coalition party is getting the votes and the greens too, even if the greens have betrayed their basic values in this goverment (more nuclear power and rightits hard line social policies). they will pay later. the only big party that has not eaten its word is the coalition and that is why they are on the rise.

  • sam the ham

    PS. during 1800′s in the heydays of our famous knife fighters, häjyt, more people died violently in the botnia region relatively than in the chicago of al capone. and they were killing guys with knives and axes and such. so there is a tradition here.

  • winter

    Chairman Obama is pissing away money like a drunken sailor in a B-girl bar with all that rum.

    Buying air time half an hour at a time, spending millions on his ads, buying the airwaves wholesale, and has the balls to call McCain desperate.

    If he is so sure is he buying all this time just to help the economy?? I dont think so, all that money spent and Mccain breathing down his neck. Its the Messiah who is desperate because if he doesnt win this time Hillary will shut him down in 2012.

  • http://leaderboard08.blogspot.com Helsinkian

    winter: Bush spent a huge pile of money in both his campaigns 2000 and 2004. That was a contributing factor to him winning. Money was absolutely crucial when Bush beat McCain in the 2000 primaries.

    So I think Obama will win. Is anybody willing to predict a McCain victory?

  • sam the ham

    What’s up with this Winter dude? Why he is so scared of Obama? I think he is just scared to see a black man in White House, that is all. Nobody in their right mind think or believe that there will be some drastic change or revolution in America because of Obama, or McCain for that matter. I think he is simply scared that a BLACK guy is going to walk the lawn of the WHITE house. :-D

  • sam the ham

    #28 Winter, americans can’t help anybody right now because they are stuck in Irak and Afganistan and because your genious leader George W. Bush has looted the coffers of your country, boy!
    Without money from foreign lenders the US would be down the drain in couple of months. That is why your prescious stocks are going down, donw, down, down and up and down. See, some guys know that more than 10 000 000 000 000 000 debt is a tough shit to swallow.

  • born there

    boo efin huuu, yes blame the guns again you commies. lets see according to police reports in the country over 40 people died of car speeding, drunk driving etc thus far this year. ban cars, ban people, ban it all i dont care…hahahahaha i say ban housing for the bank fall out, you silly human mental midgets, dont you get it, it humans that do the wrong with the aid of a tool ANY tool. strange how after all this time in history, you people havent took a breath of air for oxygen yet. brain cells are dieing, breath, breath breath. socialism works when you dont breath air, muuhahahaha

  • born there

    I vote for obamas white half.. isent he HALF white ? or is he all black..i dont see his white side. oh yeh, his white side is his short and curly side..hahah or his butt side? doo place to have the white side, out of sight ?

    hahah I vote for PUTIN! at least he dosent give a crap what you think and if you dont like it, he will own your monkey butts…gooo PUTIN..muuuhahahaha Life is a bunch of sarcasm, and i love it

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