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31.8.2008

Marja-Vantaa

Tags: Everything — Author:   @ 12:59 pm

After 30 or so years of bickering and nimbying it seems that the nortern wastes of Vantaa will get developed instead of just being industrial areas on the Ring III.  The metro to Espoo seemed about as an absurd idea, but it seems now that there is not only the willpower but also the money to go forth with quite expensive rail projects just as the new number 9 tram in Helsinki. Oh, did I say money? With the slumping economy it seems the developers are having flats nobody is willing to buy, so the risks of housing development projects are higher.

Maybe I should rant here for a moment. The cost of living is so high that people can only afford small studios. There is a huge demand for small studios – currently theres dozens of new students in town sleeping in the gym of the school as they’ve been unable to get flats. However some intelligents in the Helsinki city planning office passed a decision that the avarage flat sizes must be 75 square meters.. meanwhile the mayor Vapaavuori is demanding smaller flats being built… hello? Anybody at home? Its your own zoning stupid! As an example of the big developers hitting the bottom – theres  a development project on Mechelininkatu where the old Matkahuolto depot used to be in a standstill as the flats won’t sell. Studios would, but nobody can afford the bigger flats. I don’t know what the council thinks but if a family has that kind of money to shell out, they’ll buy a house in Kirkkonummi instead of three rooms in a block of flats to raise their family.

These days when I go downtown Helsinki I am amazed as the whole city seem to be dug up half the time. Theres huge development projects also in Helsinki harbour and in Espoo all being initialized at the same time. Now I don’t know if theres going to be overcapacity after the projects have been finished, but at least the building industry will employ a lot of people… and for me it’ll mean a lot more traffic jams. Even now that they are planning to remove the traffic lights from Ring III even last Friday at noon just one bulldozer excavating a lamp post caused a huge traffic jam with a lane being cut off. I’m just sceptical what they can do to the roads – even the Ring III project is a part of the E18 highway and it has the government funding earmarked I cannot fathom what they can do unless they add about four lanes. Meanwhile in Helsinki the huge excavation at the end of Mannerheimintie is gotten to a point they actually cast the concrete roof of the tunnel last week… and the Leppävaara tunnel on Ring I is appearing to be in schedule. Both places are such I rather not go anywhere close to them… the Mannerheimintie intersection is quite a zoo. Funny thing its as if roadwork follows some kind of fashion trends – first it was roundabouts and now it is tunnels… And there is no end to roadwork, I blame global warming, before we had two seasons, winter and roadwork but now its only roadwork.  I’ve also seen the plans of refurbishing my local road with roundabouts and removing the traffic lights – we have some serious accidents almost weekly so I guess that is a good thing – apparently people learning to drive isn’t an option.

What I see as a good point in the whole Marja-Vantaa project is that they are actually basing the development on public transport and making the M-train track into a loop connecting to the main northern track. So at some point in time you can actually take the train to the airport as well. I’m not an ecohippie frothing over public transport, but I do see its benefits. And I am still sore over the YTV planning to screw up my local bus routes.

  • infinndel the jenkki dogg

    Touring the Jumbo mall in Vantaa was a culturally enlightening experience.
    ….where is WAL-MART?

  • Hank W.

    You wish… they pulled out of Germany a few years back so I think they’re content with ASDA.

  • v.i.lenin

    More trains everywhere — they rule — in the long run they’ll pay off handsomely. Why not a metro to Espoo? What’s the objection?

    This 65m2 number sounds to nutty to be true. I’ve long suspected that Helsinki is run by developers, just like any American city overrun with political hacks, but the existence of a rule that suppresses the building of new one-room apartments would confirm it. Force builders to go upscale and drive people of average income out of the city rental market — send’em out to the ‘burbs where they can contemplate their fate whilst stuck in traffic.

  • http://koti.phnet.fi/bevertje/ majava

    I am not from around there, but know the roads in and around Hki. Can’t say much else than that they have waited far too long to do anything about infrastructure. Have always laughed a bit about calling the kehät “ring roads.” And yes, fast public transport can be a solution!

  • Hank W.

    #3 The Espoo residents were objecting as the Metro would bring all kinds of rif-raf and proles with no cars to infest their quaint villages… you don’t need a gated community if theres a wilderness in between. However they have now “seen the light”… about 20 years too late…

    Oh, and I was wrong – the average size of the flats has to be 75m2… so if you make two at 50m2 then you already need to have one 125m2 and who can afford that?

  • Hank W.

    #4 Ah, but you need to blame the greens for that. If theres no roads theres no cars. If theres no parking lots theres no cars. Everyone has a bicycle and goes to see the cows nesting in the woods.

  • Perttu

    Trains, metros, buses are all good. But what’s the sense if they don’t run at night?

  • v.i.lenin

    @5: The same thing happened in DC — the metro bypassed Georgetown — and probably happens everywhere else too. So the Espoolaiset commuting to the center get to sit in their cars and crawl through rush hour — serves’em right — their gas taxes can buy shiny new rail transport for more enlightened areas.

    @7: Agreed! In some German towns the trams run once an hour all night long — makes the schedule easy to memorize even under the influence. How long does it take the #3 to make a loop? Maybe an hour? Forty minutes? When does Helsinki get a clue? And don’t get me started about the lack of all-night diners…

  • Hank W.

    Well the trains don’t run all night in France nor the UK… and there you don’t have the excuse of no people being about.

  • http://koti.phnet.fi/bevertje/ majava

    @Hank: I’m afraid that I blame Keskusta and SDP then… They kept taking the Greens in for their broad and ‘rainbow’ coalitions in an attempt to diminish opposition numbers. ;)

    It will be quite an engineering achievement if they would like to get rid of the traffic lights on the ring roads (and NOT put roundabouts there instead!). How to solve those junctions with exits that go to the left?

    @v.i.lenin: A lesson from the Netherlands: once you’ve forced people into commuting with a car, you will never get them back to public transport. No hope for Espoolaiset…

  • chic sheik

    We try to keep the low lifers in Espon Keskus and Kivenlahti… and yes we want to keep them out of kauklahti, so I am happy to have the metro lines are they are now.

  • Freeridin’ Franklin

    #11: The real low lifes are in Westend…

  • Hank W.

    Yeah, the proles who can’t afford Kuusissari…

  • Hank W.

    #10 you mean like the one off Ring I to Lahti? Thats a bitch… just requires a massive ramp system… remember how it was like getting from Ring I to go to the airport back in the “good old days”?

  • Finland taxis are overpriced

    “Paris Night Buses (Noctilien)
    Night owls rejoiced in 2006 when Paris inaugurated a new night bus system throughout the city and suburbs, making partying late much less of a pain. Buses leave from most spots around the city at intervals of 15-30 minutes.”
    http://goparis.about.com/od/transportation/ss/Metro_and_Buses_7.htm

  • Finland taxis are overpriced

    “Paris Night Buses (Noctilien)
    Night owls rejoiced in 2006 when Paris inaugurated a new night bus system throughout the city and suburbs, making partying late much less of a pain. Buses leave from most spots around the city at intervals of 15-30 minutes.”

  • Finland taxis are overpriced
  • v.i.lenin

    @15: Yeah the Finnish taxi system is crap. It’s idiotic to have the same number of registered cabs all the time. There’s gotta be a way to set up licenses that are only good on weekend evenings and holiday eves. The lines for taxis in pikkujoulu season are an absolute disgrace, but the same number of cabs on the streets all the time would wreck cab driving it as a livelihood.

  • Finland taxis are overpriced

    It wouldn’t wreck cab driving as a livelihood, because people would use cabs more often due to the lower price. That’s how it works in other countries.

  • Hank W.

    Yes well it ain’t other countries here innit?

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