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		<title>By: philgay</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/07/25/road-church/comment-page-1/#comment-366084</link>
		<dc:creator>philgay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phil be gay</description>
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		<title>By: Wha?</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/07/25/road-church/comment-page-1/#comment-365895</link>
		<dc:creator>Wha?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering most Finns only go to church for baptisms, weddings, and funerals this IS a waste of tax payer money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering most Finns only go to church for baptisms, weddings, and funerals this IS a waste of tax payer money.</p>
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		<title>By: born there</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/07/25/road-church/comment-page-1/#comment-365883</link>
		<dc:creator>born there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a christian country, thats the point. I would rather see them then mosques. If you dont like those signs in a christian country move to a muslim one and bitch there. late night spelling on the first one..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a christian country, thats the point. I would rather see them then mosques. If you dont like those signs in a christian country move to a muslim one and bitch there. late night spelling on the first one..</p>
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		<title>By: born there</title>
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		<dc:creator>born there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a christian country, thats the point. I would rather see them the mosques. If you dont like those signs in a christian country more to a muslim one and bitch there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a christian country, thats the point. I would rather see them the mosques. If you dont like those signs in a christian country more to a muslim one and bitch there.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is NOT the idea behind those signs. Do some research.

As anybody who has ever been passed on a Finnish road by a  tiekirkko with its "oversize load" sign (and more often than not, legions of singing, guitar-strumming colored folks), it IS a network for summertime tourists. 

But when the concept started in 1962, it was very much a way to get from point A to point B. 

I think the idea is neat. Why have a roadside chapel, when you could be in a chapel on the road?

What's the point of sitting in a stationary church service, when you could be moving and praying?

Personally I'm glad they'be ditched the steeples after that spate of bridge collisons in the 1970s and I don't mind the new double-wide trailer tiekirkot at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is NOT the idea behind those signs. Do some research.</p>
<p>As anybody who has ever been passed on a Finnish road by a  tiekirkko with its &#8220;oversize load&#8221; sign (and more often than not, legions of singing, guitar-strumming colored folks), it IS a network for summertime tourists. </p>
<p>But when the concept started in 1962, it was very much a way to get from point A to point B. </p>
<p>I think the idea is neat. Why have a roadside chapel, when you could be in a chapel on the road?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the point of sitting in a stationary church service, when you could be moving and praying?</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;be ditched the steeples after that spate of bridge collisons in the 1970s and I don&#8217;t mind the new double-wide trailer tiekirkot at all.</p>
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		<title>By: infinndel the jenkki dogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>infinndel the jenkki dogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The magnificent Russian Orthodox church in the old town
in Tallinn Estonia is a must see when visiting Viru!...The gold leaf and ornate and intricate interior is mind blowing..It is quite a contrast to Finnish Lutheran mother church!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The magnificent Russian Orthodox church in the old town<br />
in Tallinn Estonia is a must see when visiting Viru!&#8230;The gold leaf and ornate and intricate interior is mind blowing..It is quite a contrast to Finnish Lutheran mother church!</p>
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		<title>By: infinndel the jenkki dogg</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/07/25/road-church/comment-page-1/#comment-365851</link>
		<dc:creator>infinndel the jenkki dogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15...Interesting information,thank you...I have been in the Finnish
lutheran church in Senate square about 7 times during my tourist trips to Suomi..It was open to public and I did not attend any religious services there..I went to a concert by Tampere Symphony Orchestra
at the main Church in Tampere...what a beautiful church,with amazing giant mural!...The Tampere orchestra was magnificent with the fantastic church organ playing with symphony!!....AND...I am a devout ATHIEST!!&#62;&#62;&#62;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15&#8230;Interesting information,thank you&#8230;I have been in the Finnish<br />
lutheran church in Senate square about 7 times during my tourist trips to Suomi..It was open to public and I did not attend any religious services there..I went to a concert by Tampere Symphony Orchestra<br />
at the main Church in Tampere&#8230;what a beautiful church,with amazing giant mural!&#8230;The Tampere orchestra was magnificent with the fantastic church organ playing with symphony!!&#8230;.AND&#8230;I am a devout ATHIEST!!&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>infinndel the jenkki dogg: If I'm not mistaken Lutheran confirmations at the age of 15 are somewhat more popular than church weddings. To get to confirmation I believe you have to prove that you've been to church five times (that was so in my case years ago). Just the confirmation could push up those totals, let's say five obligatory visits before the camp (not always camps but quite often these days) and two more relating to it. So that makes like seven visits at the age of fifteen. At that age many have their grandparents alive and many people still have grandparents who think the Lutheran Church has some value as an institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>infinndel the jenkki dogg: If I&#8217;m not mistaken Lutheran confirmations at the age of 15 are somewhat more popular than church weddings. To get to confirmation I believe you have to prove that you&#8217;ve been to church five times (that was so in my case years ago). Just the confirmation could push up those totals, let&#8217;s say five obligatory visits before the camp (not always camps but quite often these days) and two more relating to it. So that makes like seven visits at the age of fifteen. At that age many have their grandparents alive and many people still have grandparents who think the Lutheran Church has some value as an institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anzi, I'm not so sure that Germany is a more secular country than Finland. Of course it depends very much on the region and I'm sure there are statistics somewhere about the church attendance rates that might prove you right that Finland is more religious.

In any case, I believe Finland has become a lot less religious over the  past years and drastically so. The Lutheran Church is worried that it is becoming increasingly irrelevant to its members. I seriously think the road church network could also be interpreted as a cry for help: "Look, we're here, nobody's attending our services, please check us out!"

The fact that other secular countries with huge inactive Lutheran populations (my hunch that Germans are more religious than majority Lutheran countries is based on the German Catholic population) have similar road church networks proves my point.

Lutheranism is experiencing a crisis and increasingly the church needs people more than the other way around. As a vast majority of Finns (myself included) is still a member and pays the church tax, it's absolutely natural that those tax monies should be used by the church to remind us members that it still exists and would like to offer its premises to whatever purpose needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anzi, I&#8217;m not so sure that Germany is a more secular country than Finland. Of course it depends very much on the region and I&#8217;m sure there are statistics somewhere about the church attendance rates that might prove you right that Finland is more religious.</p>
<p>In any case, I believe Finland has become a lot less religious over the  past years and drastically so. The Lutheran Church is worried that it is becoming increasingly irrelevant to its members. I seriously think the road church network could also be interpreted as a cry for help: &#8220;Look, we&#8217;re here, nobody&#8217;s attending our services, please check us out!&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that other secular countries with huge inactive Lutheran populations (my hunch that Germans are more religious than majority Lutheran countries is based on the German Catholic population) have similar road church networks proves my point.</p>
<p>Lutheranism is experiencing a crisis and increasingly the church needs people more than the other way around. As a vast majority of Finns (myself included) is still a member and pays the church tax, it&#8217;s absolutely natural that those tax monies should be used by the church to remind us members that it still exists and would like to offer its premises to whatever purpose needed.</p>
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		<title>By: finnfest</title>
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		<dc:creator>finnfest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gayle Wahner wins the Duluth News Tribune’s Tarja Halonen lookalike contest. Halonen, president of Finland, is in town today and Saturday for FinnFest.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/collections/index.cfm?collection=finnfest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gayle Wahner wins the Duluth News Tribune’s Tarja Halonen lookalike contest. Halonen, president of Finland, is in town today and Saturday for FinnFest.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/collections/index.cfm?collection=finnfest" rel="nofollow">http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/collections/index.cfm?collection=finnfest</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anomuumi: costs of materials are insignificant next to the  price of labor in Finland. At least if you are not jeweller or something similar ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anomuumi: costs of materials are insignificant next to the  price of labor in Finland. At least if you are not jeweller or something similar <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"WTF, wake up, most africans are ot sitting on pile of debt, the country is mucher richer than the way your media is portraying it."

Africa is a country? Who are you, George Bush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WTF, wake up, most africans are ot sitting on pile of debt, the country is mucher richer than the way your media is portraying it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Africa is a country? Who are you, George Bush?</p>
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		<title>By: infinndel the jenkki dogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>infinndel the jenkki dogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Finns only see inside of church two times in their life....
first time when married....next time when buried...   :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Finns only see inside of church two times in their life&#8230;.<br />
first time when married&#8230;.next time when buried&#8230;   <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We could feed a African village for an entire decade with the money used to produce these signs”

AN African village. Always under scrutiny, Phil, always under scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We could feed a African village for an entire decade with the money used to produce these signs”</p>
<p>AN African village. Always under scrutiny, Phil, always under scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if those drive-thru churches have Elvis as a preacher? :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if those drive-thru churches have Elvis as a preacher? <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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