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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/07/08/phils-cousin-gets-the-cheap-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-369866</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are gay!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys are gay!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmeriikanEnkeli:
&quot;Freshly picked. And it’s cheap.&quot;

Oh yeah. And without doubt picked by Hummer-driving billionaires with awesome purchasing power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmeriikanEnkeli:<br />
&#8220;Freshly picked. And it’s cheap.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh yeah. And without doubt picked by Hummer-driving billionaires with awesome purchasing power.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/07/08/phils-cousin-gets-the-cheap-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-365859</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter:
&quot;The Finnish people are getting ripped off, and they just meekly wait in line at the grocery stores to get robbed. Why don’t they protest&quot;

http://www.inspiringthots.net/movie/serenity-prayer.php

The Free Market at work. Hallelujah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter:<br />
&#8220;The Finnish people are getting ripped off, and they just meekly wait in line at the grocery stores to get robbed. Why don’t they protest&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inspiringthots.net/movie/serenity-prayer.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.inspiringthots.net/movie/serenity-prayer.php</a></p>
<p>The Free Market at work. Hallelujah!</p>
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		<title>By: majava</title>
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		<dc:creator>majava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care about the welfare state and yes, we have a free market, but who says free markets always work? That&#039;s why things are like they are, it just does not work like it should. Markets need regulating because businesses are run by the same turds as countries. 

But for this problem here in Finland I do not see any solution besides perhaps if we all start importing all our stuff, including groceries and clothing from let&#039;s say...Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care about the welfare state and yes, we have a free market, but who says free markets always work? That&#8217;s why things are like they are, it just does not work like it should. Markets need regulating because businesses are run by the same turds as countries. </p>
<p>But for this problem here in Finland I do not see any solution besides perhaps if we all start importing all our stuff, including groceries and clothing from let&#8217;s say&#8230;Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: mjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but how is the welfare state prohibiting competition? We actually do have free market in the retail sector. Go and check. No state shops, no socialism, no rationing, no price controls. Lidl got in - we have several domestic chains. The government is not interfering with special offers and price competition. Why does the cartel exist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but how is the welfare state prohibiting competition? We actually do have free market in the retail sector. Go and check. No state shops, no socialism, no rationing, no price controls. Lidl got in &#8211; we have several domestic chains. The government is not interfering with special offers and price competition. Why does the cartel exist?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmerikanEnkeli in 69 says it all.

When I am in the US, Canada, or UK, I just can&#039;t believe the selection, variety, inexpensive prices, and above all the quality of the produce being sold in the food markets as compared to Finland.

Finland, by comparision, seems like a halfway house to the markets of the Old Soviet Union when it comes to fresh produce.

And the prices in Finland are overwhelming.  And on a price quality basis, it is worst.  And on a price quality basis adjusted for Finnish purchasing power, you can almost cry.

Today, YLE has an article from a social democrat politico saying she is not in favour of reducing the VAT on food.  It is crazy to keep the tax revenue up on food only to pay out more later in health benefits to poorer individuals whose health will suffer because they cannot afford a healthier selection of food.  What kind of social democrat is she: the tax collection ideological type or the looking out for the general well-being of Finns type?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmerikanEnkeli in 69 says it all.</p>
<p>When I am in the US, Canada, or UK, I just can&#8217;t believe the selection, variety, inexpensive prices, and above all the quality of the produce being sold in the food markets as compared to Finland.</p>
<p>Finland, by comparision, seems like a halfway house to the markets of the Old Soviet Union when it comes to fresh produce.</p>
<p>And the prices in Finland are overwhelming.  And on a price quality basis, it is worst.  And on a price quality basis adjusted for Finnish purchasing power, you can almost cry.</p>
<p>Today, YLE has an article from a social democrat politico saying she is not in favour of reducing the VAT on food.  It is crazy to keep the tax revenue up on food only to pay out more later in health benefits to poorer individuals whose health will suffer because they cannot afford a healthier selection of food.  What kind of social democrat is she: the tax collection ideological type or the looking out for the general well-being of Finns type?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmerikanEnkeli in 69 says it all.

When I am in the US, Canada, or UK, I just can&#039;t believe the selection, variety, inexpensive prices, and above all the quality of the produce being sold in the food markets as compared to Finland.

Finland, by comparision, seems like a halfway house to the markets of the Old Soviet Union when it comes to fresh produce.

And the prices in Finland are overwhelming.  And on a price quality basis, it is worst.  And on a price quality basis adjusted for Finnish purchasing power, you can almost cry.

Today, YLE has an article from a social democrat politico saying she is not in favour of reducing the VAT on food.  It is crazy to keep the tax revenue up on food only to pay out more later in health benefits to poorer individuals whose health will suffer because they cannot afford a healthier selection of food.  What kind of social democrat is she: the tax collection ideological type or the looking out for the general well-being of Finns type?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmerikanEnkeli in 69 says it all.</p>
<p>When I am in the US, Canada, or UK, I just can&#8217;t believe the selection, variety, inexpensive prices, and above all the quality of the produce being sold in the food markets as compared to Finland.</p>
<p>Finland, by comparision, seems like a halfway house to the markets of the Old Soviet Union when it comes to fresh produce.</p>
<p>And the prices in Finland are overwhelming.  And on a price quality basis, it is worst.  And on a price quality basis adjusted for Finnish purchasing power, you can almost cry.</p>
<p>Today, YLE has an article from a social democrat politico saying she is not in favour of reducing the VAT on food.  It is crazy to keep the tax revenue up on food only to pay out more later in health benefits to poorer individuals whose health will suffer because they cannot afford a healthier selection of food.  What kind of social democrat is she: the tax collection ideological type or the looking out for the general well-being of Finns type?</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Provocateur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent Provocateur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who can Finnish, an excellent article from Statistics Finland on inflation:

http://www.stat.fi/artikkelit/2008/art_2008-07-10_002.html?s=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who can Finnish, an excellent article from Statistics Finland on inflation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stat.fi/artikkelit/2008/art_2008-07-10_002.html?s=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.stat.fi/artikkelit/2008/art_2008-07-10_002.html?s=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: AmeriikanEnkeli</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmeriikanEnkeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came back from seeing family in Finland, and damn. It is freakin&#039; expensive. About the only thing I could afford was the 50 cent pehmis at Hesburger. I mean, damn. 

That said, I do miss a lot about Finnish food. I love karjalanpiirakat. I love ruisleipa. I love the pastries and Cabanossa. Savusilakoita? Sign me up. And there&#039;s something about Jaffa that American sodas can&#039;t match.

But I come back to the states and thank my stars that I can get fresh local peaches and strawberries picked that day from a local farm. Oh, man, my Finnish relatives come here and cry at the produce sections of local markets. They can&#039;t believe the varieties of lettuce, herbs, apples, berries, mushrooms, fresh corn on the cob, tomatoes (organic? vine-ripened? roma? heirloom?) onions, and at last count, five different types of potatoes on the shelves. All shipped that morning. Freshly picked.

And it&#039;s cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came back from seeing family in Finland, and damn. It is freakin&#8217; expensive. About the only thing I could afford was the 50 cent pehmis at Hesburger. I mean, damn. </p>
<p>That said, I do miss a lot about Finnish food. I love karjalanpiirakat. I love ruisleipa. I love the pastries and Cabanossa. Savusilakoita? Sign me up. And there&#8217;s something about Jaffa that American sodas can&#8217;t match.</p>
<p>But I come back to the states and thank my stars that I can get fresh local peaches and strawberries picked that day from a local farm. Oh, man, my Finnish relatives come here and cry at the produce sections of local markets. They can&#8217;t believe the varieties of lettuce, herbs, apples, berries, mushrooms, fresh corn on the cob, tomatoes (organic? vine-ripened? roma? heirloom?) onions, and at last count, five different types of potatoes on the shelves. All shipped that morning. Freshly picked.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: hfb</title>
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		<dc:creator>hfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know a sausage is all filler when you offer it to the dog and the dog isn&#039;t interested. :) I stopped buying Finnish sausage when my dog took a sniff and walked away.

Zak - Yeah, I bought strawberries down at the open market which were fresher but, ironically, more expensive than they were in the supermarket though they were green-grey fuzz free. I didn&#039;t notice a tremendous difference between them and the Spanish ones in the store. We just went strawberry picking here and they were pretty good but we can get fresh strawberries from California all summer long for pretty reasonable prices. Blueberry season is just now coming up and I will admit that I miss the lowbush blueberries from up north.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know a sausage is all filler when you offer it to the dog and the dog isn&#8217;t interested. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I stopped buying Finnish sausage when my dog took a sniff and walked away.</p>
<p>Zak &#8211; Yeah, I bought strawberries down at the open market which were fresher but, ironically, more expensive than they were in the supermarket though they were green-grey fuzz free. I didn&#8217;t notice a tremendous difference between them and the Spanish ones in the store. We just went strawberry picking here and they were pretty good but we can get fresh strawberries from California all summer long for pretty reasonable prices. Blueberry season is just now coming up and I will admit that I miss the lowbush blueberries from up north.</p>
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		<title>By: majava</title>
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		<dc:creator>majava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pauli, Yeah I know about makkara, and still I buy them. I am too far away from stores that sell anything decent and I am also not going to spend a small fortune in Stockmann. I am one of those foreigners in Finland that do not complain much about the food and I learned to live with what&#039;s offered here. There is only one general complaint I have and it&#039;s the biggest moan you will ever here from me. It is about those Finns that do not complain! They are the reason they (and we) are treated the way we are now and a lot more.

My manburger is made with sikanauta (interesting animal that is ;) jauheliha -400 gram for € 2,09. I had stroke when I looked at the price of chicken... no more saté for me :(

Fresh strawberries from abroad should be imported just before the season starts in Finland and maybe also after it. Like I said before, I encourage to buy local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pauli, Yeah I know about makkara, and still I buy them. I am too far away from stores that sell anything decent and I am also not going to spend a small fortune in Stockmann. I am one of those foreigners in Finland that do not complain much about the food and I learned to live with what&#8217;s offered here. There is only one general complaint I have and it&#8217;s the biggest moan you will ever here from me. It is about those Finns that do not complain! They are the reason they (and we) are treated the way we are now and a lot more.</p>
<p>My manburger is made with sikanauta (interesting animal that is <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  jauheliha -400 gram for € 2,09. I had stroke when I looked at the price of chicken&#8230; no more saté for me <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fresh strawberries from abroad should be imported just before the season starts in Finland and maybe also after it. Like I said before, I encourage to buy local.</p>
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		<title>By: Zak Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zak Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hfb - yea, don&#039;t touch them, I don&#039;t as I am very picky about strawberries. Go for the open markets, you&#039;ll find fresher crop there. And what&#039;s wrong with tiny berries, the big ones are usually the ones with more water and less taste. 

I fill my freezer every year with hand-picked strawberries, plenty of strawberry farms in and around Espoo, not a single bad berry if you take the trouble. 

But I really wanted to make a point about Spanish strawberries. They arrive here some time in April-May, first packed in plastic boxes, then you start finding them in groceries and open markets. Can you honestly say, you&#039;ve enjoyed them, with the compact, wood-like texture? Where did you buy the good ones? How much did you pay for them?

Just curious. I truly enjoy Swedish strawberries, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hfb &#8211; yea, don&#8217;t touch them, I don&#8217;t as I am very picky about strawberries. Go for the open markets, you&#8217;ll find fresher crop there. And what&#8217;s wrong with tiny berries, the big ones are usually the ones with more water and less taste. </p>
<p>I fill my freezer every year with hand-picked strawberries, plenty of strawberry farms in and around Espoo, not a single bad berry if you take the trouble. </p>
<p>But I really wanted to make a point about Spanish strawberries. They arrive here some time in April-May, first packed in plastic boxes, then you start finding them in groceries and open markets. Can you honestly say, you&#8217;ve enjoyed them, with the compact, wood-like texture? Where did you buy the good ones? How much did you pay for them?</p>
<p>Just curious. I truly enjoy Swedish strawberries, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauli</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about an &quot;all meat manburger&quot; since Finland is much more famous for its fake-meat makkara. It splits open after only a half-minute on grill - all filler, no meat. I wonder how much they have to pay the inspectors to let them claim xx% meat. Of course, inspectors don&#039;t mind because it&#039;s all common procedure to rip off consumers in hyvinvointi valtio.

For real meat, go to Eesti Wark (I think that&#039;s what it&#039;s called) near Kamppi.  It&#039;s a small shop, but at least the Estonians don&#039;t rip you off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about an &#8220;all meat manburger&#8221; since Finland is much more famous for its fake-meat makkara. It splits open after only a half-minute on grill &#8211; all filler, no meat. I wonder how much they have to pay the inspectors to let them claim xx% meat. Of course, inspectors don&#8217;t mind because it&#8217;s all common procedure to rip off consumers in hyvinvointi valtio.</p>
<p>For real meat, go to Eesti Wark (I think that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s called) near Kamppi.  It&#8217;s a small shop, but at least the Estonians don&#8217;t rip you off.</p>
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		<title>By: majava</title>
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		<dc:creator>majava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t complain about strawberries. Don&#039;t like them really ;) But gf does, so I buy &#039;em for her and ask how they were. Seems to be a lot of difference in between the suppliers (growers) and you can&#039;t judge much from the appearance. They are now 4 to 5 euro a liter. Don&#039;t know if that&#039;s much or not, but I think it&#039;s on the high side, since the harvest was and is still fine.

The quality of vegetables and fruits in the supermarkets has lately been quite appalling. Thank god they&#039;re so expensive that I do not feel guilty not buying them and have a good excuse to again prepare myself an all meat manburger!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t complain about strawberries. Don&#8217;t like them really <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But gf does, so I buy &#8216;em for her and ask how they were. Seems to be a lot of difference in between the suppliers (growers) and you can&#8217;t judge much from the appearance. They are now 4 to 5 euro a liter. Don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s much or not, but I think it&#8217;s on the high side, since the harvest was and is still fine.</p>
<p>The quality of vegetables and fruits in the supermarkets has lately been quite appalling. Thank god they&#8217;re so expensive that I do not feel guilty not buying them and have a good excuse to again prepare myself an all meat manburger!</p>
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		<title>By: hfb</title>
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		<dc:creator>hfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zak - Hey, if you like those expensive tiny, mouldy strawberries at the local K market, more power to ya, honey. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zak &#8211; Hey, if you like those expensive tiny, mouldy strawberries at the local K market, more power to ya, honey. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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