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28.5.2008

Backing up your DVD’s is now illegal in Finland

Tags: Everything — Author: @ 9:58 am

Ughh…what’s next, the state will lock up people for removing the “Do Not Remove Your Mattress Tag Under Penalty of Law” tags? The copyright and movie industry lobby must be strong in Finland

The production and dissemination of computer software that can circumvent the copy protection of DVD movies is illegal, according to a ruling by the Helsinki Court of Appeals. With its decision, the court overturned an acquittal handed down by a lower court in the so-called CSS case.

Facing charges were two copyright activists, who set up a computer programme which makes it possible to circumvent the CSS copy protection on DVD recordings.

[...]The defence maintained that the purpose of the software was to make it possible to watch DVDs on computers using the Linux operating system, and that it was of no help in copying discs.

According to the second activist, Mikko Rauhala, the central issue surrounding the decision of the Court of Appeals is not one of copyrights. In his view, the key matter is the protection of the interests of manufacturers of DVD players.

[...]Because of the minor nature of the offence, the court did not hand down a punishment, noting that at the time of the act, there were numerous similar programmes available for the same purpose. The court also took into consideration the fact that the activists reported on themselves to the police. Rauhala says that he hopes to appeal their conviction to the Supreme Court.

  • sorry

    Women held for raping man in Stockholm

    http://www.thelocal.se/12046/20080527/

  • http://www.ixs52-svitanjamoja.blogspot.com ixs52

    super blog

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    So if I write 3 lines of code, I can go to jail?

    The Nanny State is strong in Finland.

    In England “Everyone’s favorite Nanny State wants college graduates to stop throwing their caps in the air for fear of injury” is next for you all.

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    Some Nanny State news from Fark

    “Nanny State wants to hire extra nannies to boost its credentials as nanny state. Nanny state

    Your snowflake no longer has to worry about getting zeros on schoolwork since 50 is the lowest score in the nanny state

    Nanny State wants to chop down 150ft Chilean pine because its needles might poke somebody

    Sex education could be made compulsory for five-year-olds in Nanny State, depriving them of the sort of schoolyard misinformation that haunts submitter to this day”

    Funny

  • Remissing

    See your “nanny state” in Iraq…

  • tim73

    Winter: If your parents actually had hired a good and educated nanny when you were kid, you wouldn’t be such a dumbass now. So what is the Republican Meme of The Week at the Fox News Fantasyland? Iraq continues be an outstanding success? Obama is Osama’s cousin? McCain is new born Rambo who takes numbers and kicks ass?

  • sepisp

    The defendants will appeal. There’s still no precedent, and precedent is still not legally binding in the Roman law system.

    The idea of Lex Karpela sort-of makes sense from the point of view of a 50+-year-old politician. There’s already a law to ban stealing cable, so how is this different? It is not surprising to see the facts of the matter flagrantly ignored, namely that the major copyright-holders will use this as a Trojan horse to enforce other, still illegal, restrictions against the consumer’s rights, as the politicians never hear anyone’s but Teosto’s opinion.

    Finland is still a corporatist society, not a civil society, with an incestous “dear brother network”. The implication is that politicians think “being an interested party” equals “expert”. Too bad consumers are represented by no one, and attempts to introduce alternative opinions are met by stonewalling by ministry bureaucrats. It is not an unreasonable question to ask whether they are bought off or just incompetent. Given Finnish people’s stupidity and deference to (apparent) authority, the latter is potentially possible. Anywhere else, it would be the former. I’ve heard from “inside sources” that ministry bureaucrats are often monumentally incompetent w.r.t. to the law: if you see an application note to a law originating from a ministry, assume hazardous waste handling procedures.

    I hope that attrition will solve the problem (at the lastest). I’m not denigrating the babyboomers or their achievements in general, but being a model student does not pay. I hope that the Finnish government begins to defiantly ignore pressures to adopt “Hollywood’s Christmas present” intellectual property treaties, not toughen them up, as with Lex Karpela.

  • infinndel the jenkki dog

    #6…stop pickin on winta….

  • http://stockholmslender.blogspot.com/ mjr

    Nanny state? It is the great libertarian cum conservative idol, namely profit seeking private enterprise that is so actively lobbying for these often quite ridiculous regulations – and enforcing them by law suits. Actually, not being such a bolshie as some self-proclaimed libertarians here, I have quite a bit of respect for intellectual property rights though we have to modernize and liberalize (hmm, quite literally…) the existing legislation in view of changing technologies and conditions. In other words we actually have to restrict these property rights – nice to have so many right wingers on board!

  • Tapani Pallomeri

    Somebody told me at the Linux Day at work, that it is only a matter of time before the legislators are paid off by big corporations to reverse that decision made a while ago that CSS was ineffective protection. I wonder who it is that has been paid off.

    So now it is illegal to use the best working DVD playing programs, the ones that don’t care about regionality.

  • self-proclaimed libertarian (Biff)

    @mjr

    Do you ever manage to go through a day without thinking how you’re gonna flame em damn libertarians today? Seems like a life mission for you. Seriously, find me a post by you that does something else. Not that I don’t appreciate it. It’s always such an invigorating experience having people take the liberty of speaking on your behalf and lump you in with the crazy right.

    But you’re right in that these ridiculous laws came to be when private enterprises started lobbying for them. They almost managed to make copying a song an act of terrorism. I’m sure they’re still on that. Anyway, you’d probably want to have state owned enterprises replace them – oh, sorry, seems I spoke on your behalf and put words in your mouth.

    Maybe we should stop trusting the legislators and demand transparency? So when ever an elected politician serves an enterprise with a dying business model, instead of the people he or she works for, there would be consequences.

    It’s pointless to bitch about a company lobbying something that is going to bring in more revenue. That should be expected. What shouldn’t be expected are elected officials who vote on things like they’re half in the bag.

  • x

    #9 I may agree with that somebody. Already today the real power is in the big corporations bloody hands.
    I hope they don’t put a total dictatorship nextly…

  • wishPhilWasMine

    phil i like the way you look at work

    mmm

  • http://stockholmslender.blogspot.com/ mjr

    10# Well, to be brutally honest, I just enjoy trashing the libertarians at every possible turn, and they do also present such a good target. A bit of a turkey shoot. But I don’t do it that much anywhere else actually (check my blog for example: http://stockholmslender.blogspot.com ), I mean this site is after all a selfproclaimed libertarian bastion in this perfect socialist utopia of a country and many members of the crazy tribe do congregate here. Such a colourful sight always. I’m actually in a fairly broad agreement with the social and cultural libertarian views but their bonkers, braindead economics I can never take seriously, and that’s where they actually are very harmful.

  • Fat Bastard

    @ Biff, #10: “Maybe we should stop trusting the legislators and demand transparency? So when ever an elected politician serves an enterprise with a dying business model, instead of the people he or she works for, there would be consequences.”

    Boy, you’re really out of date. There already has been consequences. Those politician are hired for cushy jobs in the industry.

    From Wikipedia:

    The “Work Made for Hire” controversy

    In 1999, Stanley M. Glazier, a Congressional staff attorney, inserted, without public notice or comment, substantive language into the final markup of a “technical corrections” section of copyright legislation, classifying many music recordings as “works made for hire,” thereby stripping artists of their copyright interests and transferring those interests to their record labels.[14] Shortly afterwards, Glazier was hired as Senior Vice President of Government Relations and Legislative Counsel for the RIAA, which vigorously defended the change when it came to light.”

    That’s not the only one. Not by far. Now, tell me. With consequences like that, why WOULDN’T the public officials use similar tactics whenever they can?

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    “Iraq continues be an outstanding success? ”

    WOW

    At least you got one point correct. 11 million purple fingers anyone?

    Just what has the EU done? Let 1 Million die in Darfur? That was your problem.

  • Biff Loman

    @Fat Bastard

    Are you trying to convince me that RIAA is buying public officials? You don’t need to.

  • Aho

    winter – “Just what has the EU done? Let 1 Million die in Darfur? That was your problem.”

    Europe’s probem? I don’t think so. What about all the people you killed in Iraq?

  • JH

    Has ‘winter’ really killed loads of people in Iraq, 1UP ? Or are you referring to his home country and their foreign policy ?
    I’ve read through the comments here a few times now and can make little or no sense of any of it. No doubt it’s some Dali-esque comment on the absurdity of it all but it just scans like a lot of one-track minds trying to advance rather humdrum agendas. Yawn.

  • Freeridin’ Franklin

    JH:
    “it just scans like a lot of one-track minds trying to advance rather humdrum agendas”

    Welcome to the blog-in, man! Want some orange sunshine? How about Kool-Aid?

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    “What about all the people you killed in Iraq?”

    Are we up to 1 Million there yet? (Sniff test?)

    Or are you now conserned about all the UN rape of young girls in Africa?

    No? I did not think so.

    “UN troops accused of rape in Congo”

    “UN troops accused of ‘systematic’ rape in Sierra Leone”

    or

    “UN peacekeepers in Haiti and Liberia child abuse claims”

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    Another funny

    “Nanny State™ has banned firefighters from performing a fire safety demonstration in case it tempts little snowflakes into tackling a fire

    Plus it might cause global warming……

  • tim73

    “esteemed Physics Professor Yoshiaki Arata of Osaka University in Japan claims to have made the first successful demonstration of cold fusion. Last Thursday, May 22, Arata and his colleague Yue-Chang Zhang of Shianghai Jiotong University presented the cold fusion demonstration to 60 onlookers, including other physicists, as well as reporters from six major newspapers and two TV studios. If Arata and Zhang´s demonstration is real, it could lead to a future of new, clean, and cheap energy generation.”

    http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html

    http://newenergytimes.com/news/2008/29img/Arata-Demo-Photos-AT.htm

    This highly respected Japanese professor is going all-in with kitchen sink, putting his reputation and everything else on line. If other scientists are able to reproduce this, things truly are going to CHANGE big time!!!

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    Timmy Timmy Timmy

    Can’t you keep up the good work? I mean the evil USA is going under…not saved by some cold fusion guy…..

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe the first place I heard about this was FFT! And tim73 even!

    Let’s wait a few months and maybe we have blueprints for a new energy source in our hands. I’m still afraid it will only lead to minor advances in science for the years (decades) to come before it can help mankind.

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    New energy? It just gets warm. OK, so my glass is half full, I just want to see a cost and ballance sheet first.

  • Freeridin’ Franklin

    #23: Smells like a cheap publicity stunt. If it was a serious, they’d make damn sure the experiment was repeatable before calling the media.

  • Nanny states

    And the raping in Iraq Afghanistan etc? Is it there your insurance money?

  • winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”

    OK, a Nanny question. What are the market forces at work to keep you from going to the Doctor evry day or so, for every rum inspired hang over? How does the Nanny state stop abuse? Or do you just let it happen and pay the bill?

  • Anonymous

    #25: At first yes, but this guy doesn’t sound like someone who needs cheap publicity, he has too much to lose not much to gain. In tim73′s links the comments are more interesting than the actual news. Apparently similar experiments have been done before with similar results (the famous 1989 experiment included). It might not be cold fusion or it might not be very useful for a long time, but it is interesting.

  • Keksi

    Plz, fix the rss :)

  • Biff Loman
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