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	<title>Comments on: Democratic Presidential candidate Mike Gravel to run for Libertarian nomination</title>
	<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/</link>
	<description>Politics, current events, culture - From Finland &#38; United States</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sami</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-362319</link>
		<dc:creator>Sami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-362319</guid>
		<description>Mike Gravel would be a great president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Gravel would be a great president.</p>
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		<title>By: prince of dorkness</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360304</link>
		<dc:creator>prince of dorkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360304</guid>
		<description>@15,
so it's OK for a politician to have a platform with war and torture as major planks (feel free to name a serious contender for the US presidency who is actually opposed to the Iraq war and/or torture), but talking trash about minorities is too much for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@15,<br />
so it&#8217;s OK for a politician to have a platform with war and torture as major planks (feel free to name a serious contender for the US presidency who is actually opposed to the Iraq war and/or torture), but talking trash about minorities is too much for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Hank W.</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360127</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360127</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/03/27/zimbabwe.election/index.html?section=cnn_latest" rel="nofollow"&gt;Much more interesting elections. 
&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/03/27/zimbabwe.election/index.html?section=cnn_latest" rel="nofollow">Much more interesting elections.<br />
</a></p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360123</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360123</guid>
		<description>http://freedomroadproject.blogspot.com/2008/03/mike-gravel-power-to-peoplegive-peace.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://freedomroadproject.blogspot.com/2008/03/mike-gravel-power-to-peoplegive-peace.html" rel="nofollow">http://freedomroadproject.blogspot.com/2008/03/mike-gravel-power-to-peoplegive-peace.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360062</link>
		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360062</guid>
		<description>#23 Nate,

You wish Ron Paul to just sit in a corner, while you state that corporations are a huge problem in USA. How do you combine those two statements? Doesn't John Perkins, The Economic Hit Man 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8&#38;feature=related

show quite convincingly that Ron Paul was the only presidential candidate who proposed to bring that problem to an end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23 Nate,</p>
<p>You wish Ron Paul to just sit in a corner, while you state that corporations are a huge problem in USA. How do you combine those two statements? Doesn&#8217;t John Perkins, The Economic Hit Man </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>show quite convincingly that Ron Paul was the only presidential candidate who proposed to bring that problem to an end?</p>
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		<title>By: winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360055</link>
		<dc:creator>winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission”</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360055</guid>
		<description>"George Bush spends a trillion dollars of public money on an unnecessary war."

Ah, the I want to go back to what the USA did before 9/11?

Well...and that pre 9/11 policy worked so well....

And that european war called WW2 was so unnecessary.

And that Yugo war was so unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;George Bush spends a trillion dollars of public money on an unnecessary war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, the I want to go back to what the USA did before 9/11?</p>
<p>Well&#8230;and that pre 9/11 policy worked so well&#8230;.</p>
<p>And that european war called WW2 was so unnecessary.</p>
<p>And that Yugo war was so unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360050</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360050</guid>
		<description>The military-industrial complex may have liked the Democrats' Clinton, but he was excoriated by Republicans for shrinking the military.  Meanwhile, George Bush spends a trillion dollars of public money on an unnecessary war.  Who do you think they like better, after all?

Corporations and corporate power are a huge problem in this country, but that doesn't mean that everyone with only a marginal voice was deliberately railroaded by corporations.  Some people are just nutjobs.  Paul can go sit in a corner with Chomsky and there they can grumble about how the man is keeping them down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The military-industrial complex may have liked the Democrats&#8217; Clinton, but he was excoriated by Republicans for shrinking the military.  Meanwhile, George Bush spends a trillion dollars of public money on an unnecessary war.  Who do you think they like better, after all?</p>
<p>Corporations and corporate power are a huge problem in this country, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that everyone with only a marginal voice was deliberately railroaded by corporations.  Some people are just nutjobs.  Paul can go sit in a corner with Chomsky and there they can grumble about how the man is keeping them down.</p>
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		<title>By: infinndel</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360030</link>
		<dc:creator>infinndel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360030</guid>
		<description>#21...Gigantic conspiracy theory!    :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21&#8230;Gigantic conspiracy theory!    <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360029</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360029</guid>
		<description>well here is some thing you can have a crack at. lol BOSTON - This could make for one odd family reunion: Barack Obama is a distant cousin of Brad Pitt, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is related to Pitt's girlfriend, Angelina Jolie.

Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society found some remarkable family connections for the three presidential candidates — Democratic rivals Obama and Clinton, and Republican John McCain.

Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush.

"You'd think with all that singing talent in the family she'd be able to carry a tune," Clinton's senior adviser Philippe Reines said. "But now it makes much more sense how she snagged a Grammy."

Clinton won for best spoken word Grammy in 1997 for "It Takes a Village." Obama also won a Grammy in that category this year for the audio version of his book, "The Audacity Of Hope: Thoughts On Reclaiming The American Dream."

Genealogist Christopher Child said that while the candidates often focus on pointing out differences between them, their ancestry shows they are more alike than they think.

"It shows that lots of different people can be related, people you wouldn't necessarily expect," Child said.

Obama has a prolific presidential lineage that features Democrats and Republicans. His distant cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison. Other Obama cousins include Vice President Dick Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee.

Obama often jokes about his cousin Cheney at campaign appearances.

"His kinships are across the political spectrum," Child said.

Child has spent the last three years tracing the candidates' genealogy, along with senior research scholar Gary Boyd Roberts, author of the 1989 book, "Ancestors of American Presidents."

Clinton's distant cousins include beatnik author Jack Kerouac and Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of Prince Charles of England.

McCain's ancestry was more difficult to trace because records on his relatives were not as complete as records for the families of Obama and Clinton, Child said.

Obama and President Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662.

Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769. Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, declined to comment on the senator's ancestry.

Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in St. Sulpice, Quebec, in 1718.

The New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, is the oldest and largest nonprofit genealogical organization in the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well here is some thing you can have a crack at. lol BOSTON - This could make for one odd family reunion: Barack Obama is a distant cousin of Brad Pitt, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is related to Pitt&#8217;s girlfriend, Angelina Jolie.</p>
<p>Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society found some remarkable family connections for the three presidential candidates — Democratic rivals Obama and Clinton, and Republican John McCain.</p>
<p>Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother&#8217;s side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush.</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;d think with all that singing talent in the family she&#8217;d be able to carry a tune,&#8221; Clinton&#8217;s senior adviser Philippe Reines said. &#8220;But now it makes much more sense how she snagged a Grammy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clinton won for best spoken word Grammy in 1997 for &#8220;It Takes a Village.&#8221; Obama also won a Grammy in that category this year for the audio version of his book, &#8220;The Audacity Of Hope: Thoughts On Reclaiming The American Dream.&#8221;</p>
<p>Genealogist Christopher Child said that while the candidates often focus on pointing out differences between them, their ancestry shows they are more alike than they think.</p>
<p>&#8220;It shows that lots of different people can be related, people you wouldn&#8217;t necessarily expect,&#8221; Child said.</p>
<p>Obama has a prolific presidential lineage that features Democrats and Republicans. His distant cousins include President George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry S. Truman and James Madison. Other Obama cousins include Vice President Dick Cheney, British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill and Civil War General Robert E. Lee.</p>
<p>Obama often jokes about his cousin Cheney at campaign appearances.</p>
<p>&#8220;His kinships are across the political spectrum,&#8221; Child said.</p>
<p>Child has spent the last three years tracing the candidates&#8217; genealogy, along with senior research scholar Gary Boyd Roberts, author of the 1989 book, &#8220;Ancestors of American Presidents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clinton&#8217;s distant cousins include beatnik author Jack Kerouac and Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of Prince Charles of England.</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s ancestry was more difficult to trace because records on his relatives were not as complete as records for the families of Obama and Clinton, Child said.</p>
<p>Obama and President Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662.</p>
<p>Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769. Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, declined to comment on the senator&#8217;s ancestry.</p>
<p>Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in St. Sulpice, Quebec, in 1718.</p>
<p>The New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, is the oldest and largest nonprofit genealogical organization in the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360026</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360026</guid>
		<description>"Rarely, if ever, are new subjects breached that would give both outsiders and other more Finland-experienced people a new view." - Dave the Revelator

I'd have to agree on this. I lurked here every day for a year, and still not really gaining anything new or special about Finland. I see an occasional news item time to time, and even then some of the blog post don't discuss the relationship of Finland to other countries.

With all respects, I know this blog is about Phil, an "American living in Finland" and all, but try to post more about Finland. Pictures, places, people, events...

Just trying to provide some feedback. I get enough of this whole election drama at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rarely, if ever, are new subjects breached that would give both outsiders and other more Finland-experienced people a new view.&#8221; - Dave the Revelator</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to agree on this. I lurked here every day for a year, and still not really gaining anything new or special about Finland. I see an occasional news item time to time, and even then some of the blog post don&#8217;t discuss the relationship of Finland to other countries.</p>
<p>With all respects, I know this blog is about Phil, an &#8220;American living in Finland&#8221; and all, but try to post more about Finland. Pictures, places, people, events&#8230;</p>
<p>Just trying to provide some feedback. I get enough of this whole election drama at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360025</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360025</guid>
		<description>infinndel: "&lt;i&gt;Every time I have invaded Funland,the big issue for me as a tourist,was the absurd high VAT tax in Finland&lt;/i&gt;"

Just be glad you don't live in Finland---then you'd have absurdly high VAT tax AND absurdly high-income tax AND absurdly high indirect taxes (government monopolies, cartels, dubious anti-EU car registration tax schemes).  Be thankful that it's just a quick visit for you.

Get rid of your income tax in the US, and boost individual savings of the middle and lower-middle classes already. Geez! ---same goes for Finland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>infinndel: &#8220;<i>Every time I have invaded Funland,the big issue for me as a tourist,was the absurd high VAT tax in Finland</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Just be glad you don&#8217;t live in Finland&#8212;then you&#8217;d have absurdly high VAT tax AND absurdly high-income tax AND absurdly high indirect taxes (government monopolies, cartels, dubious anti-EU car registration tax schemes).  Be thankful that it&#8217;s just a quick visit for you.</p>
<p>Get rid of your income tax in the US, and boost individual savings of the middle and lower-middle classes already. Geez! &#8212;same goes for Finland.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360023</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360023</guid>
		<description>Misogyny??? I haven't heard that one :lol: Can't seem to find anything by googling. Can you point me to it?

And the 'racism...' Yes, I've read all about it. Uh huh.

I'll admit that I don't share some of his personal  views on social issues.  I'm more of a centrist than a right-winger, in terms of my view on life. Perhaps I'm closer to Gravel in that regard. But which candidate represents 100% of your views? ---IMO, either of these two are better than any of the others.

In any case, I'm very satisfied that RP keeps his personal views of his politics---which he seems to have done so far. Unless you know something that I don't?   



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misogyny??? I haven&#8217;t heard that one <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> Can&#8217;t seem to find anything by googling. Can you point me to it?</p>
<p>And the &#8216;racism&#8230;&#8217; Yes, I&#8217;ve read all about it. Uh huh.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that I don&#8217;t share some of his personal  views on social issues.  I&#8217;m more of a centrist than a right-winger, in terms of my view on life. Perhaps I&#8217;m closer to Gravel in that regard. But which candidate represents 100% of your views? &#8212;IMO, either of these two are better than any of the others.</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;m very satisfied that RP keeps his personal views of his politics&#8212;which he seems to have done so far. Unless you know something that I don&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: infinndel</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360022</link>
		<dc:creator>infinndel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14....kristian....VAT TAX MY ASS!!....You know you would catch blowback from infinndel,because of your preposterous steal by tax scheme,that you propose for U.S.of-KKK-A.(TM Rev.Jeremiah Wright).
Every time I have invaded Funland,the big issue for me as a tourist,was the absurd high VAT tax in Finland....GOOD GRIEF!!
And the hastle to reclaim VAT,when you leave Funland is just another,
of many,hastles for travelers to endure in Finland...
Ron Paul is a CRACKPOT,racist,anti-semitic,usefull idiot leader of
nincompoops!..Mike Gravel is in la-la land.      :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14&#8230;.kristian&#8230;.VAT TAX MY ASS!!&#8230;.You know you would catch blowback from infinndel,because of your preposterous steal by tax scheme,that you propose for U.S.of-KKK-A.(TM Rev.Jeremiah Wright).<br />
Every time I have invaded Funland,the big issue for me as a tourist,was the absurd high VAT tax in Finland&#8230;.GOOD GRIEF!!<br />
And the hastle to reclaim VAT,when you leave Funland is just another,<br />
of many,hastles for travelers to endure in Finland&#8230;<br />
Ron Paul is a CRACKPOT,racist,anti-semitic,usefull idiot leader of<br />
nincompoops!..Mike Gravel is in la-la land.      <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Cyberg00se</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360021</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberg00se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360021</guid>
		<description>Have fun on the gold standard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have fun on the gold standard!</p>
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		<title>By: Cyberg00se</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360020</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberg00se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2008/03/26/democratic-presidential-candidate-mike-gravel-to-run-for-libertarian-nomination/#comment-360020</guid>
		<description>Misogyny and Racism - we'll just skip over those lovely Ron Paul attributes. The internet is stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misogyny and Racism - we&#8217;ll just skip over those lovely Ron Paul attributes. The internet is stupid.</p>
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