Who care’s. The liberal welfare state will put them in line for a new liver.

Finns need new livers because of ALKO stores..DUH!

Where is my Lapin Kulta…HICK!

Hank, unfortunately this is a result of placing regulation of products in the hands of a government body, which ultimately bears no responsibility for its wrong decisions. In this case, these problems have been known since before 1985. Yet in 1986…

“In 1986 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration thoroughly evaluated the Herbalife Program and issued a statement declaring that all of the Herbalife products were safe.”
http://www.lifemana.com/herbalife-faq.html#beentested

According to Stephen Barrett, M.D.,
“Vigorous FDA enforcement action at that time might well have stunted Herbalife’s growth.”
http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Herbalife/herbalife03.html

Yet testing monies still get diverted to these politically controlled government agencies—agencies that are obviously NOT unbiased.

I would much rather see money diverted to private testing organizations like Consumer Reports or Stiftung Warentest. These organizations already test thousands of products with results that inspire consumer confidence.

Not only are the tests more credible, but we could also expect a broader range of products to be tested; not merely what is deemed necessary according to politicians, whose decisions are usually influenced by drug companies.

In this case, it might have saved some lives. Very sad.

Helsingin sanomat, Kaleva and taloussanomat reported today. Old damaged livers may be useful in food called liverbox.

Product base Pyramid-marketing distributors claim that it is old little report by farmacian industry and only few case of millions.
- Are there millions users in ISR and SUI?

In Helsinginsanomat.fi news forum many ex herbalife users told their liver and also kidney problems. I hope this serious problem will take world wide warning.

Aamulehti is reporting that cannabis is going to be made legal for medicinal use.

Did the poor bastards even lose weight?

Kristian:
“I would much rather see money diverted to private testing organizations like Consumer Reports or Stiftung Warentest.”

Not such a bad idea, but how would you ensure their impartiality? Let’s assume for a moment a market leader with $5 trillion of capital and a competitor with $5M.

And this might sound a bit harsh, but we need natural selection to slow our accelerating decline into idiocracy. Deadly MLM scams provide one mechanism.

“Not such a bad idea, but how would you ensure their impartiality? Let’s assume for a moment a market leader with $5 trillion of capital and a competitor with $5M.”

The testing organization can be sued, by consumers and companies alike, for disseminating false information. For example, if a $5M company feels that the private testing agency gave a $5T company an advantage, then the $5M can sue the testing agency in court.

Here are some other examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Reports#Lawsuits_vs._Consumers_Union

It’s worth considering that nearly EVERYTHING we use—toasters, components of cars, jet airplanes, etc.—are tested by private agencies.

So why can pharmaceuticals only be tested by a government agency, with politicians involved? Is it because we trust politicians?

Of course not. But we adhere to the illusion that it’s part of the ‘democratic process.’ In reality though, neither politicians nor governmental agencies suffer consequences from their errors of judgment, malfeasance or even from favoritism toward certain competitors.

That’s because when you vote for/against a politician, you vote for/against a ‘package deal’; not just because he drafted the right or wrong law pertaining to some particular pill or medication. In this regard, governmental testing is inherently flawed and provides the wrong solution.

Only testing by private agencies (more than one !) can provide impartial results.

“Did the poor bastards even lose weight?”

I’m sure they did. People in hospital usually do, especially if their liver is damaged, they turn yellow and have all time this nauseating feeling like the one you get by eating too much licorice.

There was similar case around here in Oulu. They sold some damned herbal product to a mother of a newborn. It was supposed to increase lactation but instead the mother ended up in hospital due to liver problems. They didn’t catch the cause on the first round. She got well, went back to home and started taking these pills again and almost died.

Yeah, it’s organic and natural so it can’t be dangerous. Just like the botulinum toxin, gyromitrin and curare.

Gee, Darwin effect in full force. Can’t we just let it happen?

If I drink salt, or even sugar in bulk, what happens? Do I need mother government to tell me when I can buy salt by going in to see a doctor first?

Well, its off to McDonalds.

winnie:
“Gee, Darwin effect in full force. Can’t we just let it happen?”

I take it that you support complete legalisation of all currently illegal drugs? I have understood that you are not a nanny state supporter.

Kristian:
“The testing organization can be sued, by consumers and companies alike, for disseminating false information.”

And if you have enough money, you can sue anyone into oblivion regardless of whether you have a case or not. Just ask the $cientologists. Isn’t the Free Market nifty?

“And if you have enough money, you can sue anyone”

I recently spoke with some German acquaintances that sued the City of San Diego because their teenage son crashed his bicycle on some haphazardly placed railroad tracks. He broke some teeth and maybe a cheekbone.

They won. The lawyer took 25%. No costs (except for travel expenses) if they had lost. They are ecstatically singing the praises of the American system—they’re eastern Germans no less.

So, you think you’d have trouble finding a lawyer to sue a major private testing agency, based on contingency??? Me thinks you’d find teams of lawyers who’d compete for a high-profile case like that.

For that matter, your company or product would benefit from the publicity, too. You really can’t lose.

Kristian:
“For that matter, your company or product would benefit from the publicity, too. You really can’t lose.”

You can lose all your money and your business as you go bankrupt during the extended litigation. That’s what suing to oblivion means. Who cares if you’d eventually win as you run out of money years before that. You obviously didn’t get it at all.

Congratulations for you German friends on succesfully suing a public sector entity. They can be happy they didn’t sue the Church of Scientology.

“You can lose all your money and your business as you go bankrupt during the extended litigation. That’s what suing to oblivion means.”

Except that in this case, it’s your lawyers’ problem; you’d carry almost no expenses yourself, which places you in the stronger position.

Most likely though, the product testing agency would settle the dispute quickly to avoid bad publicity.

“You obviously didn’t get it at all.”

And you’ve never experienced anything like what we are discussing. I have.

C наступающим Вас! Пусть Ваши мечты сбудутся!

Be careful what you ask for. Back in the 50′s there was a weight loss pill that worked great. And you only had to take it once.

It was actaully the Larvae of a tapeworm. Once you swallowed the worm, he started eating and you started losing weight.

The company that produced these made a fortune and skipped town. I wonder if they ever got caught.