So this is Christmas - And what have you done?
@ 2:57 am Another year over and a new one just begun
And so this is Christmas hope you have fun
The near and the dear ones the old and the young
A very merry Christmas and a happy New Year
And so this is Christmas war is over for weak and for strong if you want it
For rich and the poor ones war is over the world is so wrong now
And so happy Christmas war is over for black and for white if you want it
For yellow and red ones war is over let’s stop all the fight now
A very merry Christmas and a happy New Year
And so this is Christmas war is over and what have we done
If you want it another year over war is over
And a new one just begun now
And so happy Christmas war is over
I hope you have fun if you want it
The near and the dear one war is over the old and the young now
A very merry Christmas and a happy New Year
Let’s hope it’s a good one without any fear
War is over if you want it war is over now.
So this is Christmas - Seasonal Greetings to All - And what have *you* done?
Picture 3 is a USA Army guy saving that kid? Even shielding the kid after an attack. Good picture, it really shows what we do, not what the BBC wants you all to see.
To bad you all want the USA to go home, the rest show the results of when we are not there.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 5:03 am
Näh, probably accidentally shot the kid and wants to bury it before anyone notices. Too late.
Comment by Anonymous — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 7:16 am
USA might have good people (some of them) but the policy of imperialism stinks. It won’t last forever, because there are new challengers on the horizon.
The Euro will soon be the next universal reserve currency. All bombings and invasions by US isn’t going to stop it from happening.
Comment by Anonymous — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 7:40 am
What you see is tribal cultures with access to advanced weaponry.
Tribal warfare has existed for always and who knows, since it is in our genes, probably always will.
In western cultures, warfare has become
economical warfare, losers are those without money and winners are those with money.
We are all hypocrites, fighting for the money, fighting for the god with many names, fighting for idealogy, fighting for a flag, too stupid to understand that in the end of the day, the game will remain the same.
We fight for women, we fight for jobs, we fight for the right to live in a house shielded from the elements, our women bearing children,
our seed guaranteed a continuum and then we die.
Not that much unlike a simple one celled organism.
We think it is more complicated than that. But it is not.
Religions, economics, boxing, computer languages, us - we are all locked in a cycle of boom and doom, evolving as we go towards some shady goal that no man can understand, yet many claim they do.
In that spirit I bid you guys a merry Christmas, full aware that it
evolved from the celebration of the Roman Sun God, to what it is now; a celebration of what ever you want it to be, or nothing, if that is your wish. Do not make it too complicated.
Drink, eat and be merry. Because in the end, death catches with us all. Why think too much about it?
Comment by TNA — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 8:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8jw-ifqwkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2wrfmteORM
Couple music videos that should air instead of white christmas and other christmas songs around the world. Even thought to anyone else than christians and westerners it means nothing. As any religious based celibration. Happy christmas anyway it is not important why,but what we do. Ideals are nice, but you cant eat thoughts.
TNA, is USA a tribal culture? I think yes, but i dont know about you
Comment by hopeatikari — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
cool pics. life sucks. what have I dont? live my life and deal with my own problems. and let their governments deal with the what have they done pics. the pics are great by the way
Comment by born there — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
#2 Don’t worry, winter is working hard on making sure that everything said here is anti-American. Doesn’t matter if someone praises America or not; even articles that have got nothing to do with the USA has he interpreted as anti-American, which is quite impressive.
He does it to defend his own extreme anti-Finland comments.
Comment by Mikael — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Nice pictures, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Comment by a — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
@5 How about Silent Night & 7 o clock’news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM2mJNk5dXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHFzQx53eGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ErygrYrXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMNq3fHW6bU
BTW timewarp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_8PWAC6TZs
Comment by Hank W. — Mon, Dec 24th, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
The pictures are real. What would John L. have said had he lived til today?!
Comment by Dave the Revelator — Tue, Dec 25th, 2007 @ 3:16 am
Nothing says Christmas like using the lyrics of an atheist-written-and-recorded Christmas song to give a backhanded slap to Islamofascism
Comment by Alan K. Henderson — Tue, Dec 25th, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Reading this, I only thought what winter would say, and dissapoint he did not. With that, I give you the following:
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By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms:
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It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher.
This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.
Comment by Herkku — Tue, Dec 25th, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
@10 He’d gone to bed.
Comment by Hank W. — Tue, Dec 25th, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Gee Herkku a PC based christmas.
Just what the world needs.
/not… get the Hummer out and drive
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Tue, Dec 25th, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Holiday greetings from Massachusetts….
infinndel shouts out to Finland:
MERRY CHRISTMAS HO..HO..HO!
SANTA RULES!
Comment by infinndel — Tue, Dec 25th, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Here is an essential christmas carol for the conoisseurs of finnish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohIxoXEn1MM
So well-intentioned wishings of happy winter solstice to everyone here and summer solstice to those in the southern hemisphere. Insert your favourite symbolics, the solstice itself happened some days ago independently of anyone’s calendar, religion or politics.
Comment by Antti rn — Tue, Dec 25th, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Happy holidays. Better hope for next year.
Comment by Keksi — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 12:22 am
“policy of imperialism stinks.”
yea, now you get Darfur and 1 million dead.
great, thanks for your help europe……
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 2:21 am
I find it interesting that one picture of 19 shows a USA amy guy saving a kid.
And yet the europeans think we went there for oil? Gee if we did that, then why the saving of the kid? kinda blows that theory out of the water.
Gee, reality sure sucks, when it messes with the BBC line of thinking.
I did notice, no one, not one post, nada one, said that europe did something, anything, some little thing this year.
kinda sucks, to see what little, zip, nada, nothing you have done this year.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Gee, maybe babies make good lubricant for a humvee?
Its the first one that pops up in google with the themes I was after. Didn’t want to have people spew their turkey over the keyboard with all the gore. After all its a family feast.
Comment by Hank W. — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 2:55 am
“I did notice, no one, not one post, nada one, said that europe did something, anything, some little thing this year.”
and how is your local Darfur fundraising effort going? Oh, you just don’t wanna get personally involved…I understand, you wanna just hide behind those big bad mercenary boys aka US military and point fingers.
Comment by tim73 — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 3:48 am
They bombed Iraq to save babies
Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 5:40 am
The soldier in that picture is from the 25th Infantry Division. What you all don’t realize is that I worked with them in Iraq during the FIRST (since the invasion) Iraqi elections (remember the purple finger?) and again during the second. But to most of you I’m just another baby killer, so that really doesn’t make any difference, I’m sure. The collective memory only recalls the bad news. And remember…the stories about soldiers building a well in a village with no clean water doesn’t, isn’t Pulitzer Prize winning material.
Comment by Phil C — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 7:28 am
Phil C: Iraqis are of course very grateful, after bombarding the country with DEPLETED URANIUM shells. That country surely “shines” now for hundreds of years, thanks to American invasion. You might as well could have used asbestos.
All those three-headed, four leg babies will thank you for your participation. So fuck you.
Comment by tim73 — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 9:11 am
A belated Merry Christmas to all!
Great pics. I find it interesting that both, America’s Iraq/Afghanistan conflict and Russia’s Chechen conflict, are so closely related and depend heavily on each other.
First, we have a bloody invasion by a superpower, followed by fraudulent elections designed primarily to sway power from one ethnic entity to another (the one it originally supplanted); all to control some of the world’s largest energy supplies.
Second, we have an oil- and gas-rich superpower that aims to deliver its own vast supplies to the world, but needs the first superpower’s investment capital and delivery infrastructure; due to re-nationalization of its oil industry, it can barely scrounge-up enough money to pump its own resources from the ground.
In both cases, nothing stands in the way except for innocent people. Human rights abuses are inevitable and plentiful. Yet we hear little more than token chastisements from either side against the other. Perhaps due to mutual need.
Also in both cases, men are tricked into fighting according to false reasonings: patriotism and protection of homeland against ‘terrorism.’
And both superpowers leave wastelands marred with environmental damage in their wake…all for the sake of creating even more environmental damage via the products they represent.
Superpowers are wonderful!
Comment by Kristian — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 10:06 am
And nobody remembers the Armenians…
I mean the Burmese, Nepalese, Indonesians, Pilipinos, Sudanese, Thais who are just having a little internal conflict… the Afghanis have opium and the Colombians coke… otherwise nobody winks an eye.
Its just a world where a kid toting an AK-47 and a pink teddy-bear bag is the normal state of affairs…
Comment by Hank W. — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Do you’al know what! I don’t care! Let the sand niggars do there thing. If the tables were turned. How many of them would come to US or European aid? Its all about who’s rich enough to give a shite. This type of blog post is hypocritical and dumb at best. Be thankful you have power to switch on your PC to read this garbage, or open the cupboard for food or turn on the tap for fresh clean water.
Don’t kid yourself that you care. Or try to give the impression how caring you are. screw the christmas greets coz the victims on both sides, don’t give a hoot!!.
Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Al, all the BBC, left wing hat america, and not one, european saved the world tiny tid bit? You let the USA do your dirty work, Can one say Yugo war, or the 8 000 Muslims who frog marched off to a machine guy under picture taking european eyes.
Come on guys, just shut me up, one good deed please?
And no, Human shields working hard to save thugs and terrorists in Lebanon do not count.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Darfur? You bring that one up? Finland was ruler of the world for 6 months and did nothing? The UN (Kofi himself) sent Bush the evil one, a letter, get that a letter… asking for USA help in Darfur? After he bashed Bush, and could not even send the Europeans the same letter?
Gee, good thing Bush said no.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
No, the world has changed. Darfur is now the norm.
Thanks EU.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
How sad you are so alone and lonely on Xmas, winturd, that you sit there and post to yourself. Why don’t you get in one of your boats or hummers and drive into something hard (obviously not your continually limp member)?
Or maybe a trip to WalMart might lift your spirits? I hear the slaves are working there today.
Comment by Dave the Revelator — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Ah, now I see why Kristian is so hard bent on Super-Liberal economics - ideologically something to oppose superpowers!
I might not agree with you, Kristian, but I admit that it’s quite an idealistic an humane cause.
Comment by Mikael — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
“How sad you are so alone and lonely on Xmas, winturd, that you sit there and post to yourself. Why don’t you get in one of your boats or hummers and drive into something hard (obviously not your continually limp member)?”
How bout giving a response to Winter’s valid(for once) points?
No need to hide behind your insult Dave, or maybe there is?
Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Dave Dave Dave Walmart is open and the parking lot full.
But can you please shut me up, just one european good thing in 2007? Heck I will even take 2006? 5? 4?
What nothing?
There are people who do the work. Then there are people who just walk the talk. Screw hope. Give me the people who gets it done.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
“a kid toting an AK-47 and a pink teddy-bear bag is the normal state of affairs…”
Thanks europeans, your policy is working. We thank you so much.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Dec 26th, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
“Be thankful you have power to switch on your PC to read this garbage, or open the cupboard for food or turn on the tap for fresh clean water.”
And be thankful that we don’t stand between a superpower and its material desires. It’s probably the only thing saving us from being force-freedomized.
Mikael: Ah, now I see why Kristian is so hard bent on Super-Liberal economics - ideologically something to oppose superpowers!”
Above all, there’s a lesson here: the more you grant government control over your resources, the more temptation and opportunity there will be for some nationalist or corporate entity to commandeer the process.
It’s not just about wars, but also about everyday decisions that affect your life.
Comment by Kristian — Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 12:06 am
“hankful that we don’t stand between a superpower and its material desires.”
yea, like Darfur and its oil for China
Good going europe, your leadership is the only bright star out there.
One can only hope you extend less of it in 2008.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 12:20 am
“And be thankful that we don’t stand between a superpower and its material desires.”
We should have just invaded Kuwait, Venezuela, and Norway. It would have been much easier to satisfy our material desires than invading Iraq.
Damn Cheney and Rumsfeld, what were they thinking?
Comment by Anonymous — Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Alan K. Henderson:
“Nothing says Christmas like using the lyrics of an atheist-written-and-recorded Christmas song to give a backhanded slap to Islamofascism”
I think that the greatest outcome of the War on Terrorism and “islamofascism” is that Christian fundamentalists will have to pretend that they are somehow different from Muslim fundamentalists.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 3:53 am
Anon:
“We should have just invaded Kuwait, Venezuela, and Norway. It would have been much easier to satisfy our material desires than invading Iraq.”
Well, you have
invadedliberated Kuwait, Norway is for all practical purposes a US state and Venezuela is next in line after Iran.Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 3:56 am
Venezuela’s oil is running out, scratch that one off the list.
Only Norway left? Gee we need to go now, when the skiing is still good.
Anyone know the cost of lift tickets in Norway?
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
winnie:
“Venezuela’s oil is running out, scratch that one off the list.”
So is everyone’s, but Venezuela’s supply will last longer than the Saudis at current rates of production. Got that off Fox News, did you?
“Anyone know the cost of lift tickets in Norway?”
Nope, but Kristian can surely look them up, add a factor of 2-4 and write 99 posts whining about them.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
“Nope, but Kristian can surely look them up, add a factor of 2-4 and write 99 posts whining about them.”
I saw my cousin over Christmas; he’s been living in Munich for about a year now. He says costs for food, restaurants, entertainment, etc., are about 33% LESS than in Finland.
Last year, before he moved there, he parroted the standard line often heard in Finland: “Yes, Finland’s purchasing power is roughly on-par with Germany’s and the EU’s.” To preserve family harmony, I kept quiet and figured he’d discover the truth on his own.
Now he did.
Comment by Kristian — Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
“Venezuela’s supply will last longer than the Saudis”
yea, just that the Saudies stick a pipe in the ground and it comes up. Venezuela’s supply is now mixed with water and expensive to get to market. Plus I don’t think Hugo has the technical no-how to get the rest out.
Probably saw that on Fox News, not on the BBC.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Thu, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Europe is not anymore exactly like the US is now, which tries to put its nose up to everything in this world and who’s hearing the oppositions whilst doing it. It’s not our business to involve in everything happening in this globe. That’s a way to respect the different cultures and countries we have on this planet; despite their own problems.
No more imperialism from Europe, thank you. Europe is largerly the advocate of the soft power, and I hope we can be left out of the US imperialism for good.
Maybe, a large part of us Europeans have learnt something valuable in the 1900’s and about the all the history before that… I know I did, and trying to act accordingly.
Comment by jr — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 12:03 am
winnie:
“Plus I don’t think Hugo has the technical no-how to get the rest out.”
Well, we can thank our lucky stars that we don’t have to rely on the technical “no-how” of heads of state on anything. Americans in particular would be seriously screwed. In any case, in the non-Fox reality - call it the BBC reality if you will - Venezuela is the last country on Earth to run out of oil. Unless it gets freedomized, of course.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 1:34 am
“Maybe, a large part of us Europeans have learnt something valuable in the 1900’s”
What did they learn. They were do nothings in the 1930s and they are do nothings now.
“So is everyone’s, but Venezuela’s supply will last longer than the Saudis at current rates of production. Got that off Fox News, did you?”
Tough to say who’s got what and where, being that it’s all underground. Unless of course you live on a frozen iceberg with your only light for many months of the year coming from your computer screen while you surf the net. Then you know eeeeeverything!
Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 5:47 am
“Venezuela is the last country on Earth to run out of oil. Unless it gets freedomized, of course.”
So far, America’s freedomizing efforts in that region have not only resulted in the radicalization of Venezuela, but are also pulling the whole region into leftism.
Nice work America.
Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 8:16 am
“They were do nothings in the 1930s and they are do nothings now.”
And what you Americans actually make nowadays? Even in ATPs you are importing more stuff than exporting. You are now the do nothings and you will soon join the south american banana republics.
Comment by tim73 — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 8:31 am
“Tough to say who’s got what and where, being that it’s all underground.”
There are folks called geologists who specialise in underground thingies. They can make an educated guess at least. I would venture to say that even Hugo employs one or two of them.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
“There are folks called geologists who specialize in underground thingies. They can make an educated guess at least. I would venture to say that even Hugo employs one or two of them.”
I doubt you’d find a geologist who would say he knows definitively how much oil is left. After all it’s an educated guess and could be way off because they have no way to provide hard evidence. Usually people’s opinions about how much oil is left lines up with their politics, kind of like global warming. Make your science work with your politics. (except geologists are way less unified than climatologists)
If oil were to remain consistently at $90-$100 a barrel in todays dollars, there are hundreds of new places with UNKNOWN reserves where companies would be able to extract oil profitably. They don’t even give it a second thought now because the Middle Easterners could make the bottom drop out of the market for a period and drive them out of business. All that be said, I have no idea (nor does anyone else) when the world is going to run out of a generous oil supply.
What we do know is that the earth is warming and every day we have less oil, so lets do something about it. To make rash predictions and then pound your chest like your spot on is ridiculous and gets nowhere in correcting the problem.
Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
“It’s not our business to involve in everything happening in this globe. That’s a way to respect the different cultures and countries we have on this planet; despite their own problems.”
Its not your problem? Then look at the pictures again, and quit asking the USA to fix each each and every one of them.
Oh, and if we do fix one, we get critized, over and over and over.
So we stopped. Its your world now, let them die, or do something, just don’t expect the USA to do your dirty work.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
“Its not your problem? Then look at the pictures again, and quit asking the USA to fix each each and every one of them.”
How ’bout if you stop funding the rebel groups in places like Darfur?
“So we stopped. Its your world now,”
No, you’re still funding them and supplying weapons.
Comment by Kristian — Fri, Dec 28th, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
“you’re still funding them and supplying weapons.”
Cool, then we are doing somthing there. My bad, I thought we were not. Are you doing anything?
Gee, do I even have to ask if you all do anything in this world? Answer…no.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Sat, Dec 29th, 2007 @ 2:15 am
“Are you doing anything?”
Unfortunately, some European governments might also be funding paramilitary groups in Darfur.
By the way, did you notice how all the killing started *after* they discovered oil there?
I say, let China have Sudan. We in the west can concentrate on developing alternative energy sources. Keeping ourselves awash in petrol—by killing more people—only distracts from that goal and breeds the next generation of “terrorists.”
Comment by Kristian — Sat, Dec 29th, 2007 @ 5:47 am
#
“Its not your problem? Then look at the pictures again, and quit asking the USA to fix each each and every one of them.
Oh, and if we do fix one, we get critized, over and over and over.
So we stopped. Its your world now, let them die, or do something, just don’t expect the USA to do your dirty work.”
EU is heavily involved (or trying to be, to be exact) in being the soft power in the global arena. Do you understand the difference between soft and hard power (aka the US foreign policy way)?
So, in order to answer the question, what I’ve done: supporting the poor people in the world by helping financially regularly via the UN programs and the Red Cross. Plus, having being into about 30 countries for nearly 2 years so far (including the US twice), and getting to know and trying to understand different countries and their cultures and the people living in them.
So, what have YOU done personally?
PS. I’ve been following some of the US foreign policy arena’s for several years. The arrogance of many Americans can truly be something really amazing… I won’t go into details here, because it would take an essay to write about the examples of this arrogance what I’ve seen myself and how I’ve interpreted them regarding human behaviour.
Comment by jr — Sat, Dec 29th, 2007 @ 10:49 am
“being the soft power in the global arena.”
Yes, I understand that. But a soft power does nothing to change the world, just talks, talks, and talks.
I want results, not soft power, that has been a failure for how many years?
What Have I done? Won a war (Cold war) for the world. Gee, do I have to win them all for you?
“arrogance of many Americans” is only rivaled by Europeans who expect the USA to save the world, and ask why we are not in Darfur? Guess why?
Comment by Winter "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission" — Sat, Dec 29th, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
“Yes, I understand that. But a soft power does nothing to change the world, just talks, talks, and talks.
I want results, not soft power, that has been a failure for how many years?”
Try the history of EU itself.
“What Have I done? Won a war (Cold war) for the world. Gee, do I have to win them all for you?”
And how exactly is Russia no longer a major world power?
““arrogance of many Americans†is only rivaled by Europeans who expect the USA to save the world, and ask why we are not in Darfur? Guess why?”
Ok, you’re one of “those guys”… I’ve met enough people like you in different foreign policy arenas that I consider this kind of behaviour quite laughable already. I can start analysing your behaviour like I’ve done to many many people before and I can see through the same old tactics that is very common amongst Americans.
But that requires the long essay.
You’re a cartoon character when you claimed that You’ve personally won the Cold War. Go back to reading your superhero cartoons.
UN (which is a major player in EU’s foreign policies today) has done a better job than the US has in terms of this “nation building” stuff. Try searching yourself that information, if you’re own attitude allows it.
Comment by jr — Sat, Dec 29th, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
“exactly is Russia no longer a major world power?” who said they were not, they just are not the same threat that they were.
Who said “personally won the Cold War.” You did. I was just in it, did my part, and come home to talk about it.
The UN an Nation building? Gee, kinda sucks to see the results in say Darfur, Lebanon, and even the old Yugo where the EU watched, even recorded 8 000 Mulsims being frog Marched off to a machine gun and did nothing. Something a single USA soldger would not let happen.
Sorry, but reality must hurt. Only where the USA has stabalized (South Koria, Germany) with large forces is there a great nation in place.
Comment by Winter "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission" — Sun, Dec 30th, 2007 @ 1:59 am
Someone should transform winnie’s drivel into haiku form. It would be a lot more entertaining that way.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Dec 30th, 2007 @ 3:30 am
@Winter
You use the typical tactics which I’ve seen 1000 times before, and I won’t go there, as I see through it.
You’ll need to search the information available yourself to be able to grow out of your little pink American bubble.
It’s America’s deed it needs to do at this point of its history.
Not my business to teach you how to search as non-biased information as possible from different sources.
Comment by jr — Sun, Dec 30th, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Here we go again, winter whining how “we” have done good things all around the world and europe sucks.
C’mon man. You haven’t still done anything but whine here.
Step into those boots and start marching or stfu. Slacker.
Comment by Peeg — Sun, Dec 30th, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
“PS. I’ve been following some of the US foreign policy arena’s for several years. The arrogance of many Americans can truly be something really amazing…”
You write this and then immediately follow it up with several extremely amazingly arrogant comments. To stoop to your level I’d say: typical European sniveling hypocrisy.
Comment by Anonymous — Sun, Dec 30th, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
@Anonymous
You tell us how to stop the global American arrogance around the globe, which it’s been practicing especially since WW2 era, then.
I know Americans are the “biggest baddest m*f*s in the universe”
and they often act accordingly (but thank goodness there are still some Americans who actually understands the importance of equality and respect amongst nations).
History will show what happens to nations like that… Thank goodness, there is something like the EU which tries to act so that wars won’t happen again between different countries and cultures. Respect towards other cultures is basically one of the most important basic underlying values to have a sustainable progress in this matter. The itself EU couldn’t have born without this value.
So, what have you done personally to help the poorer and undeveloped nations, as the pictures and the text shows? Do you personally care at all or do you just keep whingeing about what others say against the US?
Comment by jr — Mon, Dec 31st, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
“Thank goodness, there is something like the EU which tries to act so that wars won’t happen again between different countries and cultures.”
Gee and doing such a good job at it, like in the old Yugo…wait can’t say that, not PC to point out all the european failures.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Mon, Dec 31st, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
“like in the old Yugo”
America bombs ‘em from up high, and Europe gets to deal with the refugee crisis on the ground.
Comment by Anonymous — Mon, Dec 31st, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
What have you done to save innocent civilians slaughtered by their own dictatorial tyrants? All the blood of Slobo’s victims is on YOUR hands, jr? Europeans were do nothings during Hitler’s rise to power and they are do nothings today.
By the way, your UN didn’t do much in the Ivory Coast when the slaughter started there. Nothing besides watching and reporting that innocent people are getting slaughtered in front of them. Oh wait, I guess some of those UN guys committed horrific sex crimes against young girls, that’s what they did.
You respect other cultures?!! Come on, your so full of shit your breath stinks! You call not giving a rats ass “respect”.
Comment by Anonymous — Tue, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 1:06 am
“America bombs ‘em from up high”
yea, we had no UN mandate, yet Clinton took the USA to war. Go figure out why? Maby some diversion from a cigar affair in the oval office? What, no oil?
Oh, and just why could the europeans NOT do the war themselves? Go figure? Maby a social system eats up all the money?
Yes, it was your war, why did you not show up?
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Tue, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 3:41 am
“Yes, it was your war, why did you not show up?”
What, a war and nobody shows up? Maby that’s just not a war then.
Comment by Anonymous — Tue, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 4:59 am
“What, a war and nobody shows up?”
I agree, and all those poor folks freezing on those mountainsides, about to be frog marched off to a machine gun….. Well its not a war. So thats OK.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Tue, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 5:30 am
So winter justifies saving civilians on one side by murdering civilians on the other side?
Does winter even understand the conflict and who was involved?
Comment by Anonymous — Tue, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 9:43 am
No, we just don’t sit and film 8 000 Muslims frog march off to a machine gun, like the europeans did during the Yugo war.
If you have a gun, and someone is doing something bad to your neighbor, do you sit there, film it, or take the gun and help?
Its your call. It is the big difference between the USA and the world. We do the world dirty work, and thus get all the blame. I will take the blame any day, to sitting on my but, just watching.
Comment by winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission†— Wed, Jan 2nd, 2008 @ 12:11 am
We do the world dirty work
And dirty it was. Can’t argue with that one.
Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Jan 2nd, 2008 @ 7:51 am
Every now and then some 3rd world country that happens to sit on considerable natural resources votes wrong and the CIA has to fix it. And the “world” does nothing but criticise. It isn’t fair!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcpamTDRSbM
winnie:
“If you have a gun, and someone is doing something bad to your neighbor, do you sit there, film it, or take the gun and help?”
Somehow this reminds me distinctively of Iraq in 1991. I don’t know why, could you shed some light?
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Wed, Jan 2nd, 2008 @ 1:01 pm
“Gee and doing such a good job at it, like in the old Yugo…wait can’t say that, not PC to point out all the european failures.”
Such typical comments again which I’ve heard some many times before… Why do you bring up the sameol’ sameol’ arguments like 10 in a dozen do?
The development of EU was at different stage then that it is now, and the whole military policy in Europe is very much seeking a common ground, and it will be affecting how foreign policies are dealt with, including the internal security of EU countries. The Rapid Reaction Forces have begun their job but it’s not really easy to find a common ground with a block of currently 27 countries.
There’s still lot a problems in in the Balkan area especially with the Serbia-Kosovo question. Do you want to bomb them while the EU has so far prevented a warlike situation what’s happened since the late 1990’s? A full-scale war is still possible there.
You think typically the American way: too shortsighted and you lose temper when things don’t go your way…
Comment by jr — Wed, Jan 2nd, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
@anonymous
Read it again: UN has done better job than the US in nation building, despite its shortcomings. This information in publicly available.
I know “how you despise” the UN because the UN doesn’t act the way US wants it to. So how about your arrogance?
Comment by jr — Wed, Jan 2nd, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
I want to be in winters shoes for a few posts. He/she gets more action than anyone. So here goes “There is no race war in the US, Europe is just jealous because we have bigger EVERYTHING!!” Ok so now I just sit back with ol’ winter and wait for the flame warz to begin.
Yeehaa Winter
Comment by dave — Wed, Jan 2nd, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
“Such typical comments again which I’ve heard some many times before… Why do you bring up the sameol’ sameol’ arguments like 10 in a dozen do?”
Because they are damn good arguments which usually are given a paragraph of bullshit response”yea….but….but….but….couldn’t have….there was no way…..not in the position to….diplomatic means were not yet exhausted before they started slaughtering civilians…the logistics were horrible….but….but….
Comment by Anonymous — Thu, Jan 3rd, 2008 @ 5:07 pm
@anonymous
“Damn good arguments?” Uh? Come again?
No, simply they are not good arguments. Why? Because very few people, who make those kind of arguments can’t actually find any real solution to the problems. These people just want to do “something”. They don’t care what that “something” is but just “something”.
When they lose the point of argumentation, they use the sameol’ tactics of trying to take the argumentation to totally somewhere else, so that they don’t have to see where the doing “something” really heads to and what it causes: it’s always somebody else’s fault.
Goes with the territory which I’ve seen more than once that the current US problems in Iraq and the Middle-East in general are caused by European Christians “inventing” the crusades about 900 years ago.
Comment by jr — Thu, Jan 3rd, 2008 @ 6:41 pm
We are ALL slaves of the bankers of the world.The true evil personified on earth in the form of well dressed men.It is they that are directly or indirectly responsible for all the suffering and tears.Jesus Christ was angered on one occasion in 33 years of perfect human life. Was it at the Roman government of the time? Was it the Roman army? Was it the ruling class of Jews who had him crucified? Was it the devil and his demons. NO TO ALL!!
Christ flipped out in the temple at the money changers. The modern day bankers are their direct descendants of pure evil.
Young or old, our suffering will end very soon on this earth. Don’t let the hate of this world harden your hearts. Help one another, love one another.
‘The first will be last and the last will be first’
Come LORD JESUS, COME.
Comment by wolfman — Wed, Jan 30th, 2008 @ 5:14 am