Comments on: Dogfight organizers to be charged http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:52:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Kristian http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354853 Kristian Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:41:52 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354853 "<i>you don’t stop to kick them, do you?</i>" Depends on level of aggressiveness and how close they get. Physically aggressive drunks aren't usually encountered in Finland though...maybe in some of the bars, but I don't usually go there :-) "<i>some dogs might flee when you start kicking them - but most dogs will stay and defend themselves.</i>" Me too. I'm always prepared for dog attacks, and have dealt with them before. “you don’t stop to kick them, do you?”

Depends on level of aggressiveness and how close they get. Physically aggressive drunks aren’t usually encountered in Finland though…maybe in some of the bars, but I don’t usually go there :-)

“some dogs might flee when you start kicking them - but most dogs will stay and defend themselves.”

Me too. I’m always prepared for dog attacks, and have dealt with them before.

]]> By: Missä taito loppuu, siinä väkivalta alkaa... http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354707 Missä taito loppuu, siinä väkivalta alkaa... Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:59:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354707 <i>Luckily, in both cases, administering a few hard kicks saved me from serious bacterial infections.</i> I wouldn't advise anyone to attack (kick, beat etc) dogs that are acting aggressively - you'll only make the situation worse. Dogs that are barking, snapping, leaping around you etc are trying to scare you - you have to act like you're in control of the situation and minimize the risks. If a drunk starts yelling obscenities while you pass by in the street, you don't stop to kick them, do you? Telling the dog(s) "no!" or "stay!" with a commanding voice and/or walking slowly away would be better (no running either, that just triggers the hunting reflexes!) I understand that dogs can be very scary, no matter what their breed or size is and yes, some dogs might flee when you start kicking them - but most dogs will stay and defend themselves. And looking at this from the dog's (and the owner's) point of view - a dog that has been kicked by a random person could develop serious trust issues and become even more aggressive. I know that dogs that don't behave shouldn't run free, but it's the owner's fault, not the animal's - so please don't make them pay for it. Luckily, in both cases, administering a few hard kicks saved me from serious bacterial infections.
I wouldn’t advise anyone to attack (kick, beat etc) dogs that are acting aggressively - you’ll only make the situation worse. Dogs that are barking, snapping, leaping around you etc are trying to scare you - you have to act like you’re in control of the situation and minimize the risks. If a drunk starts yelling obscenities while you pass by in the street, you don’t stop to kick them, do you?
Telling the dog(s) “no!” or “stay!” with a commanding voice and/or walking slowly away would be better (no running either, that just triggers the hunting reflexes!)
I understand that dogs can be very scary, no matter what their breed or size is and yes, some dogs might flee when you start kicking them - but most dogs will stay and defend themselves. And looking at this from the dog’s (and the owner’s) point of view - a dog that has been kicked by a random person could develop serious trust issues and become even more aggressive. I know that dogs that don’t behave shouldn’t run free, but it’s the owner’s fault, not the animal’s - so please don’t make them pay for it.

]]> By: Lutz http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354609 Lutz Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:13:04 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354609 I have 2 cats and 2 dogs. The dogs have never intentionally bitten me, but the cats on the other hand... You need to be really careful when stroking them! @ #28 Ofcource dogs aren't humans. If you had to choose to save your dog or a random person from a fire, everyone (SHOULD) go for the person in danger! But that doesn't mean we shouldn't treat dogs or any other animals well as we can. And sure dogs can be part of your family. Not all human familymembers are able to have intellectual conversations with you either, or are mentally disabled persons not people to you? Besides, animals CAN communicate and express their feelings. You have to remember one thing: we are not that special. Humans are just another specie of animal, we have evolved from the same protozoans as the dogs! I have 2 cats and 2 dogs. The dogs have never intentionally bitten me, but the cats on the other hand… You need to be really careful when stroking them!

@ #28 Ofcource dogs aren’t humans. If you had to choose to save your dog or a random person from a fire, everyone (SHOULD) go for the person in danger! But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t treat dogs or any other animals well as we can.

And sure dogs can be part of your family. Not all human familymembers are able to have intellectual conversations with you either, or are mentally disabled persons not people to you? Besides, animals CAN communicate and express their feelings.

You have to remember one thing: we are not that special. Humans are just another specie of animal, we have evolved from the same protozoans as the dogs!

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354560 Freeridin' Franklin Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:22:10 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354560 Kristian: "It’s a sickening feeling knowing that a dog spends its entire life that way. Fortunately, we don’t see that very often in Finland. At least I don’t." When the municipality of Tuusula was selling lots in the now-famous Jokela a few years ago, we went to see them. It was in the middle of the winter, temperature was in the -20s and judging by the cacophony of barking and howling everyone kept their dog outside. We didn't buy. Kristian:
“It’s a sickening feeling knowing that a dog spends its entire life that way. Fortunately, we don’t see that very often in Finland. At least I don’t.”

When the municipality of Tuusula was selling lots in the now-famous Jokela a few years ago, we went to see them. It was in the middle of the winter, temperature was in the -20s and judging by the cacophony of barking and howling everyone kept their dog outside. We didn’t buy.

]]> By: Kristian http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354550 Kristian Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:47:18 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354550 Phil: "<i>Some people definitely exploit their pets, you know the dog kept in a cage in the back yard who howls all night long in -15C temperatures?</i>" It's a sickening feeling knowing that a dog spends its entire life that way. Fortunately, we don't see that very often in Finland. At least I don't. Phil: “Some people definitely exploit their pets, you know the dog kept in a cage in the back yard who howls all night long in -15C temperatures?”

It’s a sickening feeling knowing that a dog spends its entire life that way. Fortunately, we don’t see that very often in Finland. At least I don’t.

]]> By: Dave the Davelator http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354539 Dave the Davelator Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:59:15 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354539 "But our dog is part of our family, he gets treated no different than a child." - Phil I just love it when pet owners compare their crap factory furballs that live to a max of 14 years to actual human beings. No, a dog is not like a child. It is a dog. “But our dog is part of our family, he gets treated no different than a child.” - Phil

I just love it when pet owners compare their crap factory furballs that live to a max of 14 years to actual human beings.

No, a dog is not like a child. It is a dog.

]]> By: Dave the Davelator http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354538 Dave the Davelator Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:56:50 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354538 "If you don’t have the time to exercise your dog, don’t get one." - Lil Sis You apparently don't have the time (ie puppy daycare), but you got one. “If you don’t have the time to exercise your dog, don’t get one.” - Lil Sis

You apparently don’t have the time (ie puppy daycare), but you got one.

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354510 Freeridin' Franklin Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:34:27 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354510 Phil: "Dogs needs humans, that’s just part of their nature, you just can’t release them out into the wild." Have you heard of feral dogs, specifically pariah dogs? winnie: "So, what is wrong with that? They get fed, have a roof, and get to work for it." I'm sure there are many pimps in Bangkok who feel the same way. Phil:
“Dogs needs humans, that’s just part of their nature, you just can’t release them out into the wild.”

Have you heard of feral dogs, specifically pariah dogs?

winnie:
“So, what is wrong with that? They get fed, have a roof, and get to work for it.”

I’m sure there are many pimps in Bangkok who feel the same way.

]]> By: Lil Sis http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354503 Lil Sis Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:42:16 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354503 My puppy, Olive, is half pitt bull and is honestly the smartest dog I've had the pleasure to be around. Have you heard of "The Dog Whisperer", Cesar Millan? He says that the reason for poor behavior is lack of exercise, and my dog is living proof. At about 9 months old she started chewing up pillows, blankets, and clothing. We realized that she was bored and needed more exercise during the day, so we made arrangements for her to go to a "puppy daycare" while we're at work. She's 15 months old now and has stopped her problem-chewing. We're living such sedentary lifestyles now and we expect our dogs to follow suit. They have to get their energy out somehow, so some dogs destroy the house - some attack people or other dogs. If you don't have the time to exercise your dog, don't get one. My puppy, Olive, is half pitt bull and is honestly the smartest dog I’ve had the pleasure to be around. Have you heard of “The Dog Whisperer”, Cesar Millan? He says that the reason for poor behavior is lack of exercise, and my dog is living proof. At about 9 months old she started chewing up pillows, blankets, and clothing. We realized that she was bored and needed more exercise during the day, so we made arrangements for her to go to a “puppy daycare” while we’re at work. She’s 15 months old now and has stopped her problem-chewing. We’re living such sedentary lifestyles now and we expect our dogs to follow suit. They have to get their energy out somehow, so some dogs destroy the house - some attack people or other dogs. If you don’t have the time to exercise your dog, don’t get one.

]]> By: winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission" http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354501 winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission" Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:53:50 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354501 Having babies is exploitation. Mine had to do chores, cut the grass, even build computers for my side job's. So, what is wrong with that? They get fed, have a roof, and get to work for it. The other way would let them become some kind of ward, teaching them welfare, so they can love the nanny state when they get old? Having babies is exploitation. Mine had to do chores, cut the grass, even build computers for my side job’s.

So, what is wrong with that? They get fed, have a roof, and get to work for it. The other way would let them become some kind of ward, teaching them welfare, so they can love the nanny state when they get old?

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354461 Phil Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:30:47 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354461 <i>Now days I think human is exploiting animals keeping them pets.</i> Dogs needs humans, that's just part of their nature, you just can't release them out into the wild. Some people definitely exploit their pets, you know the dog kept in a cage in the back yard who howls all night long in -15C temperatures? That's abuse. But our dog is part of our family, he gets treated no different than a child. If someone thinks that is exploitation, than I guess they think having babies is exploitation as well. Now days I think human is exploiting animals keeping them pets.

Dogs needs humans, that’s just part of their nature, you just can’t release them out into the wild. Some people definitely exploit their pets, you know the dog kept in a cage in the back yard who howls all night long in -15C temperatures? That’s abuse.

But our dog is part of our family, he gets treated no different than a child. If someone thinks that is exploitation, than I guess they think having babies is exploitation as well.

]]> By: Antti rn http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354455 Antti rn Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:46:24 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354455 I have a theory that people with spoiled/badly trained dogs as in Mara's example at #18 are actually closet cat people. You know, if you don't take trouble showing dog it's place, he begins to think that he is the boss around. A cat thinks she's already the boss no matter what but she is usually too lazy, too indifferent and too cool to start bossing the people around her. So the freudian slip of abovementioned people is that they treat a dog like a cat. A propos, one lieutenant in my service place had a pug (this rather small dog with an ugly, flat face). It was called 'Körmy' and had even this military style airforce blue sweater with seargent major (vääpeli) insignia on shoulders. I have a theory that people with spoiled/badly trained dogs as in Mara’s example at #18 are actually closet cat people. You know, if you don’t take trouble showing dog it’s place, he begins to think that he is the boss around. A cat thinks she’s already the boss no matter what but she is usually too lazy, too indifferent and too cool to start bossing the people around her. So the freudian slip of abovementioned people is that they treat a dog like a cat.

A propos, one lieutenant in my service place had a pug (this rather small dog with an ugly, flat face). It was called ‘Körmy’ and had even this military style airforce blue sweater with seargent major (vääpeli) insignia on shoulders.

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354447 Freeridin' Franklin Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:29:38 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354447 So you see, pitbulls can be lovers as well as fighters. So you see, pitbulls can be lovers as well as fighters.

]]> By: Mara http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354444 Mara Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:00:29 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354444 #17 LOL! #17 LOL!

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354443 Freeridin' Franklin Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:53:36 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/12/18/dogfight-organizers-charged/#comment-354443 RealTrue: "On that note too, we’ve had several Darwinian dogfights in my local area recently, namely (domesticated) dogs getting literally eaten by wolves." It happens from time to time in more remote areas of Finland as well and has even been discussed here, though I'm too lazy to dig up the article. I wonder what forces these geniuses to keep their dogs outside unprotected when they know that there are wolves in the area. They will rather wail about the Lords of Helsinki and Rysseli/Russels (that's juntti for Brussels) not allowing them to shoot all the wolves than build a protective fence around the dog cabin for the price of the ammunition. Why, Lord forbid me to even suggest taking the dog <em>inside</em>. Oh, then you'd have to house train it. RealTrue:
“On that note too, we’ve had several Darwinian dogfights in my local area recently, namely (domesticated) dogs getting literally eaten by wolves.”

It happens from time to time in more remote areas of Finland as well and has even been discussed here, though I’m too lazy to dig up the article.

I wonder what forces these geniuses to keep their dogs outside unprotected when they know that there are wolves in the area. They will rather wail about the Lords of Helsinki and Rysseli/Russels (that’s juntti for Brussels) not allowing them to shoot all the wolves than build a protective fence around the dog cabin for the price of the ammunition. Why, Lord forbid me to even suggest taking the dog inside. Oh, then you’d have to house train it.

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