Why on earth is that so hard to understand?

Should people also publish their bank account numbers in the name of openness? State in which pocket they carry their wallet?

“Other poorly-managed dipshit countries like Norway”…xD

Poorly managed???
Norway is the best country to live in according to FN, and it has been so the last 6 years and will probably be the best country to live in next year to!
Communism? How does this publishing taxes have anything to do with communism? Do you even know what communsim is?

Seriously why are you so afraid of taxes being published?

But whatever you do/don’t do, please never fall for the laughable delusions of some politically mixed middle-ground or other alternatives, it will only allow this to go on, start/expand in other countries and get worse! Most political parties, such as (examples): “Very-greedy party”, “Not-so-greedy party”, “Spiritual Soapbox party”, “some other non-communist party”, “Neutral but really not party”, “Cave people supremacy party”, “That other party” and “Anarchy party” can claim all they want that they are different than the others, but that doesn’t change what they really stand for: CRAPitalism!

Communism is the closest to a cure we have to heal these life-scarring wounds of CRAPitalism! Let the reactionary petite bourgeois enemies of the people who put these kind of orders in effect in a attempt to control the masses eat lead! What they have done has had no positive effect on anyone, in fact it has hurt many, many for life!

Another interesting note: The Soviet union might have fallen because of the traitor Gorbachev (Gorblimey), but the soviet setup had no defense against treason from the Premier him/herself. Doesn’t mean a more flawless setup can’t be put in place. Just about anything will do after witnessing how more & more ridiculous and dangerous CRAPitalism becomes with it’s more & more ridiculous and dangerous ideas such as publishing people’s tax records and pretty much only trilateral commission knows what other supposedly-confidential personal information is being published and will be.

I know this reality is hard for people to stomach, but it’s the sad reality of CRAPitalism!

But a reality I am having a hard time to stomach myself is how people can just go on live their lives letting this happen like nothing happened, this shows severe lack of initiative!!! Or is this the sad result of the perverted “disarm the public to use them as cattle” method? As Mao stated: “without a People’s Army the people have nothing”! So read & listen up, people!

Do the right thing!: Buy a unregistered piece at your local black-market as a (just in case) insurance, and go with Communism!

Also it could be a good idea to exchange all your surplus money in something valuable like gold bars or jewelry just in case the banks decide to minimize the value of money to force co-operation & start another depression.

Don’t even get me started on the CRAPitalist-approved fluoridating of tap water & gen-tampering of food supplies parts! They speak wonderfully for themselves!

With CRAPitalism in effect this world is getting fucked more & more with every second!

Oh my god, are you serious? You need a reality check or something. You are playing with people’s finance information for the benefit of your weird concept of “open society”. Get a life you idiot.

You have an interesting blog Rich. Interesting to see about Helsinki university’s debating society too. I noted the previous subjects “This House Would Require Finlandssvenska Citizens to Pay a Higher Rate of Tax” and “THW Create ‘Crack-ko’ (Think Alko, but different)”. I would have loved to have been there to hear those debates!

Really – so we’re being given distorted translations too? Things must be getting really desperate at Verosirkus HQ

That’s a misleading translation of UMW’s response. She says there would probably be little opposition from the Tax Administration/Agency (verohallinto/skatteförvaltningen , i.e. because they would be unlikely to lose any efficiency in administration of the tax system, for the reasons she mentions earlier in her reply), not the “Ministry of Finance government”. In fact, as she suggests in the reply, Finance Ministry (i.e. government) response would likely be against changing the system (as she highlights that no political parties support doing so.)

The Finance Ministry and Tax Administration are not the same thing (although of course the Tax Administration/Agency reports to the Finance Ministry).

sirkuspelle, I really couldn’t be having less of a moral crisis if i were a psychopath on lithium. Whether you’re posting your own info or not, you clearly have an agenda. And for the record i don’t find tax records at all entertaining (does anyone?!). Perhaps you refer to the tabloid headlines about them? I find these utterly sad and tawdry. Any claims about openness i make pertain to a societal level, rather than the sales of Iltalehti. And as for ‘hurting people’ i ask again – what about all the other everyday information which ends up hurting people? If you’re consistent then that should be banned too. If not then it just brings us back to the fact your problem is that you don’t like the records, rather than any stuff about people getting hurt.

privacy zealot – that’s the closest thing to a good point that’s been posted yet. If there were real fraud and identity crime concerns that would be a big argument against public tax records. Sadly, for the reasons fat bastard listed above, and because fraud is incredibly low in Finland, especially relative to countries which don’t publish tax records (like the UK and US), then it seems reality is rather not on your side.

In other words, the criminals have nothing to gain from private financial information? Let’s see: credit card fraud, mail fraud, fraudulent money collection, loan sharking, racketeering, robbery, identity theft, hostage taking, smuggling, drug trafficking, prostitution and let’s not forget to mention money laundering through private bank accounts. Hmm… I guess you’re right – there’s really nothing the criminals can do without public tax records.

I think you have proven your point most effectively, sir.

It’s not just a moral crisis he’s having. “Rich” is also lacking in common sense. In these days of international criminal gangs and very sophisticated organized crime, financial privacy is one of the most important issues being addressed in every country. In every country except Finland, that is.

The Finnish system is just plain stupid and defies all logic. I’m seriously amazed by it. As a previous person commented, foreigners working in Finland should worry.

The Finnish system is just plain stupid and defies all logic. I’m seriously amazed by it. As a previous person commented, foreigners working in Finland should worry.

Does it bother you now to know that which you entertain yourself with actually hurts people? In this case translated here, it was underage people that were hurt. I don’t really know how old they are.

Your point is that we zealots now tout this death threat aspect supposedly just to advance the stance that tax records shouldn’t be published. I get your point but I never touted death threat as a reason to not publish tax records. That’s exactly why I explained my remark, so you would see that’s not why I brought up the dead threat. This is the second time you’re putting words in my mouth. It’s frustrating so could you please try to not do that again.

“On the point of benefits. What are the benefits of the state registrar publishing marriages? Or indeed details about the court system? My response to both would be so that people were that the systems were working, and how. And i’d say exactly the same applies to tax records, if not more-so.”

The benefit of publishing court proceedings is that we don’t have a secret court. I’m inclined to call that a benefit. As are you I’m sure. I don’t know what are the benefits of publishing marriages, as I already stated. And then there’s your trumped up benefit of publishing tax records which sadly is a misconception.

If you still believe publish tax records help us catch those who are evading taxes or engaging in criminal activity then there’s nothing I can say to you. It’s ironic how you call Sirkuspelle’s argument moribund though. At least from where I’m standing

And the Vice Minister of Finance claims that it has to do with human curiosity and money for media companies! What a reason to keep such a system