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		<title>By: Ricky Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Myron Browning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myron Browning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How is it possible to get rich in Finland..&quot;

http://www.veikkaus.fi

&quot;What is the salary of project managers in Nokia?&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;Definitely&lt;/strong&gt; http://www.veikkaus.fi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How is it possible to get rich in Finland..&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.veikkaus.fi" rel="nofollow">http://www.veikkaus.fi</a></p>
<p>&#8220;What is the salary of project managers in Nokia?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Definitely</strong> <a href="http://www.veikkaus.fi" rel="nofollow">http://www.veikkaus.fi</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it possible to get rich in Finland..i am paying way too much taxes...

What is the salary of project managers in Nokia?

Kiitos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it possible to get rich in Finland..i am paying way too much taxes&#8230;</p>
<p>What is the salary of project managers in Nokia?</p>
<p>Kiitos</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/10/08/taxes-taxes-im-all-for-raising-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-339351</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bafana:
&quot;Where is the connection?&quot;

Try #20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bafana:<br />
&#8220;Where is the connection?&#8221;</p>
<p>Try #20.</p>
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		<title>By: cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“I believe there is a direct relationship between the quality of a service and the resources invested in it.Ã¢â‚¬Â

Indirect one, yes. If there are incentives to make a service better/faster/etc then probably you get individuals that are willing to work harder for greater reward. Also, in this case, more investment in education and equipment probably equals to greater accuracy, ie. less misdiagnoses or other mistakes. However, quality isn&#039;t a problem - capacity is. 

The real problem with the state-supplied healthcare is very simple: inefficiency. So far our healthcare has been pretty cost-effective because the number of people working there is so low. However, the service is rubbish. If you go to the hospital or any other public medical centre because you have something simple and minor that any idiot could diagnose, eg. inflammated eye, you will need to wait for some two hours to see a doctor, who then will diagnose you and write a prescription for the meds in less than five minutes. Which makes you wonder: once you entered the waiting room in the hospital, only four people were called in. So, is it so that if the patient&#039;s not about to die or at least suffering horrible pain, it&#039;s ok to keep him waiting, because it&#039;s not like you&#039;re going to get anything more by working harder and/or because you&#039;re not going to get fired anyways.

I have never waited at a private practice for longer than 15 minutes; not for x-ray, not for CAT scan, not for anything. Early this year, I had my knee operated at the public side of the fence. It only took about 2 months to get an MRI, 2 months to realise there indeed was something wrong after I had only been checked by some half-dozen doctors, then 5 months&#039; queue to get over with the surgery. And then,  after all those months of waiting, they announce that I&#039;ll have to wait another week for the surgery because the doctor isn&#039;t there on that day (oops!) and he only picks knees on like tuesdays and thursdays on even weeks. Finally on that day I was told to come to the hospital at 7 am. I waited until noon to get my first meds before the surgery which was at 1 pm. All very nice, I only had to pay about 300 euros for the whole show (you could easily add a 0 there if done privately, probably more than that) but it took 9 months and in the end I felt like I was being bounced around by an amateurish, inexperienced bunch who didn&#039;t plan anything before they did it, and didn&#039;t really have any idea what to do. Medically the treatment was very good, but administration looked like something that could have been created by a few third-graders.

I bet Finland could save hundreds of millions, not just in healthcare but everywhere, if we got rid of some of the bureaucracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“I believe there is a direct relationship between the quality of a service and the resources invested in it.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>Indirect one, yes. If there are incentives to make a service better/faster/etc then probably you get individuals that are willing to work harder for greater reward. Also, in this case, more investment in education and equipment probably equals to greater accuracy, ie. less misdiagnoses or other mistakes. However, quality isn&#8217;t a problem &#8211; capacity is. </p>
<p>The real problem with the state-supplied healthcare is very simple: inefficiency. So far our healthcare has been pretty cost-effective because the number of people working there is so low. However, the service is rubbish. If you go to the hospital or any other public medical centre because you have something simple and minor that any idiot could diagnose, eg. inflammated eye, you will need to wait for some two hours to see a doctor, who then will diagnose you and write a prescription for the meds in less than five minutes. Which makes you wonder: once you entered the waiting room in the hospital, only four people were called in. So, is it so that if the patient&#8217;s not about to die or at least suffering horrible pain, it&#8217;s ok to keep him waiting, because it&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re going to get anything more by working harder and/or because you&#8217;re not going to get fired anyways.</p>
<p>I have never waited at a private practice for longer than 15 minutes; not for x-ray, not for CAT scan, not for anything. Early this year, I had my knee operated at the public side of the fence. It only took about 2 months to get an MRI, 2 months to realise there indeed was something wrong after I had only been checked by some half-dozen doctors, then 5 months&#8217; queue to get over with the surgery. And then,  after all those months of waiting, they announce that I&#8217;ll have to wait another week for the surgery because the doctor isn&#8217;t there on that day (oops!) and he only picks knees on like tuesdays and thursdays on even weeks. Finally on that day I was told to come to the hospital at 7 am. I waited until noon to get my first meds before the surgery which was at 1 pm. All very nice, I only had to pay about 300 euros for the whole show (you could easily add a 0 there if done privately, probably more than that) but it took 9 months and in the end I felt like I was being bounced around by an amateurish, inexperienced bunch who didn&#8217;t plan anything before they did it, and didn&#8217;t really have any idea what to do. Medically the treatment was very good, but administration looked like something that could have been created by a few third-graders.</p>
<p>I bet Finland could save hundreds of millions, not just in healthcare but everywhere, if we got rid of some of the bureaucracy</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High taxes = poor healthcare and long waits.  My advice is: Don&#039;t get sick in Finland.</description>
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		<title>By: winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good joke on the Presidental debates last night. 

When asked about &quot;Hillary Care&quot; the republican answer, was, if we go that direction, then all those Canadians will have to find another place to get medical treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good joke on the Presidental debates last night. </p>
<p>When asked about &#8220;Hillary Care&#8221; the republican answer, was, if we go that direction, then all those Canadians will have to find another place to get medical treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getting US Health care system, means the doctor gives you his cell number. 

I have two doctor cell numbers now, how many do you all have? (No text numbers, as they are older doctors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getting US Health care system, means the doctor gives you his cell number. </p>
<p>I have two doctor cell numbers now, how many do you all have? (No text numbers, as they are older doctors).</p>
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		<title>By: bafana</title>
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		<dc:creator>bafana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come many here seem to think that cutting slack bureaucracy and modernizing equals an adoption of the US health care system by KELA? Where is the connection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come many here seem to think that cutting slack bureaucracy and modernizing equals an adoption of the US health care system by KELA? Where is the connection?</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/10/08/taxes-taxes-im-all-for-raising-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-339189</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that the evil welfare-statist propaganda has made it to American media as well (is KELA the culprit?)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-03-16-healthcost_x.htm

Good that someone&#039;s doing all right, though (no match to Finnish politicians, but anyway...)

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06108/683054-28.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the evil welfare-statist propaganda has made it to American media as well (is KELA the culprit?)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-03-16-healthcost_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-03-16-healthcost_x.htm</a></p>
<p>Good that someone&#8217;s doing all right, though (no match to Finnish politicians, but anyway&#8230;)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06108/683054-28.stm" rel="nofollow">http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06108/683054-28.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: lingli</title>
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		<dc:creator>lingli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hfb....it may have just been my insurance that made it cheaper for me in finland. you&#039;re right on the politician thing too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hfb&#8230;.it may have just been my insurance that made it cheaper for me in finland. you&#8217;re right on the politician thing too. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all have lines.

We all have a market based system.

No need for a survey to ask if the system sucks. We use our feet, if it does.

There are now ads on TV from doctors willing to give you their cell and text message addresses if you change doctors.

Gee, do you all have that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all have lines.</p>
<p>We all have a market based system.</p>
<p>No need for a survey to ask if the system sucks. We use our feet, if it does.</p>
<p>There are now ads on TV from doctors willing to give you their cell and text message addresses if you change doctors.</p>
<p>Gee, do you all have that?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nice rhetoric but the US system is the worldÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s least efficient because it multiplies bureaucracy.&lt;/i&gt;
 - maybe it is the multiples that is needed in finland to reduces the lines????

 - Instead of raising taxes, how about determining how much it would cost families to get insurance for private care and then reduce taxes to provide families with that amount of money to purchase the insurance, the price of which would probably go down as more people use it, increasing it&#039;s efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nice rhetoric but the US system is the worldÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s least efficient because it multiplies bureaucracy.</i><br />
 &#8211; maybe it is the multiples that is needed in finland to reduces the lines????</p>
<p> &#8211; Instead of raising taxes, how about determining how much it would cost families to get insurance for private care and then reduce taxes to provide families with that amount of money to purchase the insurance, the price of which would probably go down as more people use it, increasing it&#8217;s efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Sirkuspelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sirkuspelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are still ways to save even more money in the healthcare system, I have heard. One expert suggested using an independent unit to source the supplies, equipment, etc. for the healthcare industry, and go for the best price/quality compromise. I suspect there are some ripoffs going on in the sourcing. I remember years ago trying to source rubber squirt bulbs for one company. (The kind that are used to clean ears.) The Finnish medical supplies company wanted 100 marks a piece for them. 

I have seen those kinds of loaded questions in Finnish surveys. They spend a lot of money on the surveys, and the quality of the results is worthless. If the opposing view was presented more clearly, you know the results would be different. It is not democracy - just getting the kind of answer you want to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still ways to save even more money in the healthcare system, I have heard. One expert suggested using an independent unit to source the supplies, equipment, etc. for the healthcare industry, and go for the best price/quality compromise. I suspect there are some ripoffs going on in the sourcing. I remember years ago trying to source rubber squirt bulbs for one company. (The kind that are used to clean ears.) The Finnish medical supplies company wanted 100 marks a piece for them. </p>
<p>I have seen those kinds of loaded questions in Finnish surveys. They spend a lot of money on the surveys, and the quality of the results is worthless. If the opposing view was presented more clearly, you know the results would be different. It is not democracy &#8211; just getting the kind of answer you want to hear.</p>
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