Ah a Clinton situation.

I say dump him.

Fuck Phil, you shouldn’t be showing stuff like that on your webpage without warning. It burns the eyes, it does!

It burns the eyes, it does!

She was good enough for “The Sexiest Man in Finland” !

It’s Kuronen, not Koronen. And who cares anyway, Vanhanen just should’ve let it slide, nobody even remembers the book anymore, let alone has read it.

I believe that Cuban cigars are legal in Finland,since Finns love to take group vacation package trips to Cuba,because Finns are to cheap to go on vacation in U.S.A…Hobnobing with Fidel seems to be in vogue,and all the rage with the Finns!The current Finnish political soap opera that brings in much money to the tabloids,inspires leering Finns to fantasize images of multiple Clintonian style escapades,that result in multiple Cuban cigar smoke rings,emanating from Parliament building on Mannerheimentiekatu!

Mr. Vanhanen’s love life is exclusively his own business as long as it does not violate the laws of this country. I would rather say that Ms. Kurosen should be ashamed of herself to abuse this story so badly for her own financial gain. Finns should really not buy glossy magazines that are full of such nonsense. I can remember in Austria the president had an affair with his secretary that resulted in a divorce. Some newspapers tried to make a big story out of it, but Austrians strongly felt that was a private matter and the general public was not interested. A while after the divorce, the ex-wife was turned into the woman of the year, just to make a point of sympathy for her too and to let her save face. Otherwise the affair was turned into a non-story in the media and Austrians continued to support the president. Also Vanhanen has the right of privacy in his own love life.

It’s Kuronen, not Koronen.

oooops, thnx!

Mr. Vanhanen’s love life is exclusively his own business as long as it does not violate the laws of this country.

So that means no one can publicly talk about their love life and relationship.

Phil:
” So that means no one can pulicly talk about their love life and relationship.”
No, that means no one shouldn’t cash in them.
And what do you or I know about who’s dumping and who’s hunting. I mean besides what you read from them shit papers.
And now you keep milking this cow also.
I’ve been reading this blog quite from the beginning, and this is the first time I feel that you really want to turn finland into something sleazy along-the-leg-to-famous-and-riches yuck!
That’s because you dear to mention the freedom of the speech in this case!
That’s blasphemy, and it would be sad day for freedom of the speech in Finland if that lowbrow-exploitating publisher gets to coninue that.
I bet her next book will be “In Court With Prime Minister”.

No, that means no one shouldn’t cash in them.

So releasing a free e-book with the same info for instance, wouldn’t be considered invasion of privacy?

this is the first time I feel that you really want to turn finland into something sleazy along-the-leg-to-famous-and-riches yuck!

Don’t blame me for that, blame Finland’s press!

That’s because you dear to mention the freedom of the speech in this case!

Freedom of speech is always best tested when it’s most vulnerable, such as the PM’s love life.

Vanhanen has not sued kuronen, but i guess its hard to get correct information when you don’t speak the language. (he sued the publisher)

Heh, I bet it would be easier to rise a libel action if something like this would be published freely in net. It’s kinda “in” nowadays.
I like privacy in general, and making money with someone’s private matters only saddens me more.

Ok, then Im blaming you for running in the leash of Finland’s improper press.

I think news like this could be mentioned over some coffe break, like:
- You heard what vanhanen is filing suit?
- Yeah, poor chap.
- Did you go fishin’ at weekend?

Not using valuable resources printing that in paper or zillion websites. I thought you’d be above that.

I still think this is misusing and decreasing the value of freedom of the speech.
-I mean mentinoning (waisting) the “freedom of the speech” in this context, the news itself is only worthless, or only slightly tragicomic.

And that “He’s a prime minister, for Christ’s sake!”
P-lea-se. Is the Bold and Beautiful on break or what?
Why on earth we would want to “freely discuss” of someone’s love life? Let alone some middle aged couple? If you’d be in the States, would you be intrested in what happens in George’s bedroom?

I wouldn’t want to open up with my love life in tabloids if I were the freakin’ master of the universe!
As long as I’m not causing an earthquake while doin’ it.

Vanhanen has not sued kuronen, but i guess its hard to get correct information when you don’t speak the language.

Did I say that?

Why on earth we would want to “freely discuss” of someone’s love life?

Obviously a lot of people in Finland find it quite important.

If you’d be in the States, would you be intrested in what happens in George’s bedroom?

People were certainly in Clinton’s affairs.

I wouldn’t want to open up with my love life in tabloids if I were the freakin’ master of the universe!

Exactly, then don’t become the master of the universe. When you become PM or President or a famous actor, the public is going to be interested in your private life. It’s part of the job!

To #14: This Clinton affair was really mad. I have a feeling the reason why the Bush catastrophe has come over us is because the Christian Americans were stunned that Clinton received a blow job from an intern in the oral office. Didn’t Bush campaign also with the slogan “We will restore moral values in the white house”? Well, well, I would rather have a president who secretly screws little interns (again, that is only something the Clintons must come to terms with and not the entire country) in an act that is based on mutual consent, instead of having an even re-elected president who screws entire countries (and does so WITHOUT mutual consent).

If your dog wants to eat postman’s leg, you don’t have to let him to do that.
I’m afraid there’ll be the day when we have no serious runners for any public positions cause the fear of being teared apart.
Telling gossip reports to piss off has no effect if anyone can spread any bullshit of you (and your nearest ones) and write a book about it and be splattered over pront pages in underwear.
I do’t care what “lot of people in Finland quite important” and who’s intrested in Clinton’s affairs, uh, I just… well thought that *sigh* [digging sand with shoe tip] …I wouldn’t have to take that here. But it’s your blog of course, who am I to judge.
I only wonder why no one posed in lingeries around the Clinton affair?

I’m afraid there’ll be the day when we have no serious runners for any public positions cause the fear of being teared apart.

I seriously doubt that. And besides, the whole Kuronen thing only helped Vanhanen politically.

@14,
Actually, no, being publicly exposed is not part of the job description. There is no legal difference between Phil Schwarzmann and Matti Vanhanen. If one has no right to privacy, neither does the other, so how about you install a webcam in your bedroom? I’m sure you’d get viewers, people have the right to know…

Yeah, I’d make a great Master Of The Universe, but rather leave the universe rotting as it is and keep my private life.

And I said SERIOUS runners. Just look at the clowns overwhelming the ministries by every elections.

“People were certainly in Clinton’s affairs.”

well yea

He ruined some good cigars

Quite some time ago Jörn Donner sued Hymy magazine for a violation of privacy for reporting Donner had fathered a child with the daughter of veteran SMP politician Veikko Vennamo.

Donner won, and Hymy had to pay damages, even though the story itself was true.

“I thought he deserved a lot of this embarrassment after he dumps his longtime wife and family to go and chase younger females.”

I guess you know alot more about the circumstances of Vanhanen’s divorce than I do.

I guess you know alot more about the circumstances of Vanhanen’s divorce than I do.

I heard it on YLE Mondo in the morning, around 7.30. The announcer had a deep voice. Not sure what his name was

MP Tuulikki Ukkola (kok.) demands that Matti Vanhanen should resign because of this.

“Pääministeri ei selvästikään ymmärrä, että sananvapaus on demokratian kulmakivi. Siksi toivon, että pääministeri tajuaa erota virastaan,” Ukkola toteaa kannanotossaan.”

Now that I’ve had a little time to think about this.

Vanhanen should have just let this go. When was the last time we heard anything about these two? He had handled that situation like a man and I respected him for it. But now he’s acting a fool. I think his pride took a huge hit when people were talking about how the President does what she wants and Vanhanen just kinda sits there like a good little Finn.

As for this freedom of speech thing. Yeah, people got a right to talk about his love life and whatnot. That’s the way it is. It doesn’t mean that his love life is any of our business, public figure or not.

When you become PM or President or a famous actor, the public is going to be interested in your private life. It’s part of the job!

That doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, I bet people are interested in their private life, but that doesn’t give any right for press to cash in. I mean, by the same logic, a pickpocket is totally justified to steal from wealthy people: “His wallet just was so fat, I couldn’t help myself!”.

Once again the Finnish logic leaves my head spinning. Why is it ok (and in fact waited for by many) to publish the income and financial position of our “celebs” and politicians but not okay to do so with their relationships? I guess looking at this beast wouldn’t make too many of us envious so that might lead to one difference between relationships and income but any idea as to the other reasons?

Once again the Finnish logic leaves my head spinning. Why is it ok (and in fact waited for by many) to publish the income and financial position of our “celebs” and politicians but not okay to do so with their relationships?

Good point!!

I bet all you anti-Kuronen people are the same people who’d say, “Oh why oh why don’t they stop bothering that poor sweet girl Paris Hilton!”

winnie:
“Ah a Clinton situation.”

I never figured out why Clinton had to dance around the issue like he did. He should’ve taken the Republican route, cried some crocodile tears, repented of his sins on national TV, praise Cheesus and go on with the next intern.

“Actually, no, being publicly exposed is not part of the job description. There is no legal difference between Phil Schwarzmann and Matti Vanhanen.”

Actually, yes there is. I doubt that Phil’s celebrity status is enough to make him a public figure in the eyes of a court of law.

There are different moral benchmarks and standards in different societies and countries. It is sometimes hopeless and pointless to try and compare and come to terms with other societies using another different society as the starting point for a comparison.

Just to take the USA as an example, it is hard for us Finns (and indeed many other Europeans) to understand the American logic regarding sex and indeed the human body. Only today, Swedish TV SVT’s news reported that Facebook has banned a member for her uploading a photo of her breastfeeding her baby. If we go back further, we can remember the whole Janet Jackson’s breast at the Superbowl furore. For Finns, these both seem ridiculous and incomprehensible – how could anyone be offended by a women breastfeeding would be our thought. Yet clearly, it would seem, Americans are. So clearly, in these cases American logic would have the average Finn’s head spinning.

I think we consider that a politician has politics as his/her “job”, just as a supermarket cashier has working the till as his or her job. Naturally a politician, by the nature of their job, will be rather more prominent in the media – Neverthesless, what goes on in their private life should be just that, private. Especially if it has no bearing upon their performance in their professional role. If Vanhanen was going around decrying divorce etc, then of course it would be another matter as it would have a bearing upon his job.

As in the open democratic society, tax records are considered to be public information, this would not be considered as an infringement of the private life as it is not a part of private life. This is a concept that differs also between cultures and societies. After all, you can also find out the income of that supermarket till operator. But you probably won’t find her private life in Iltalehti.

Punter: “Once again the Finnish logic leaves my head spinning. Why is it ok (and in fact waited for by many) to publish the income and financial position of our “celebs” and politicians but not okay to do so with their relationships?”

Well, I think it is part of the finnish culture. The way it has been. And we are used to it. One could turn this the other way too. Is it ok for you to publish their relationship but not ok to publish their income? If yes, why?

Once more:
I’m not anti-Kuronen or defending Vanhanen.
I’m defending freedom of the speech from your mocking.
I’m all against public tax records also, or for the better, I’m not interested in anyone’s earnings. Atleast as long as it’s legal, and even then it’s not my business but criminal investigators.

So answer this:
Why is it OK (and infact waited for by many) to publish the love life and relations of our “celebs” and politicians but not okay to do so with their income and financial position?

Damn!
Sorry for repeating, JT.
I didn’t read the whole thread before my shedding.

How about it, Phil? Question’s been asked. How come it’s OK to publish how long Matti takes before he groans and rolls over, but not how much folks earn? Is money the ultimate taboo for you peeps?

“I never figured out why Clinton had to dance around the issue like he did. He should’ve taken the Republican route,” and resigned.

But no, we got a finger

Looks like he’s lost interest in this one. ADHD again.

i want to get acquainte with fienland girl’s.

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