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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/30/finland-may-ban-some-light-bulbs/comment-page-1/#comment-380841</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s really good to know that Finland is really thinking about to ban on the sale of incandescent light. Because of this one extremely one of the oldest traditional thing for lighting. And in the present time CFL is really the best way for the brightest lighting. And the Compact Fluorescent lights really cuts our light bills. And they have really the longer lifespan. Thanks for sharing some exceptional information about it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s really good to know that Finland is really thinking about to ban on the sale of incandescent light. Because of this one extremely one of the oldest traditional thing for lighting. And in the present time CFL is really the best way for the brightest lighting. And the Compact Fluorescent lights really cuts our light bills. And they have really the longer lifespan. Thanks for sharing some exceptional information about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juho. There are now saving bulbs that work work dimmers.  I have not tried them myself though since I don&#039;t have dimmers.

Why not ban them (with certain exceptions like car and bicycle lights).  The first practical incandescent light bulb was made in 1879 and people are still using them in vast quantities! Why, when there are more modern alternatives.  The record player was in common use from the 1870s till the 1980s. How many people use them today?  The walkman dates from 1979 using a cassette tape.  Quite new compared to the incandescent light.  Who uses that now?  Even I have switched to an mp3 player.  So I guess since people are making the progressive switch in technologies as they  do with other things then a ban is the only way left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juho. There are now saving bulbs that work work dimmers.  I have not tried them myself though since I don&#8217;t have dimmers.</p>
<p>Why not ban them (with certain exceptions like car and bicycle lights).  The first practical incandescent light bulb was made in 1879 and people are still using them in vast quantities! Why, when there are more modern alternatives.  The record player was in common use from the 1870s till the 1980s. How many people use them today?  The walkman dates from 1979 using a cassette tape.  Quite new compared to the incandescent light.  Who uses that now?  Even I have switched to an mp3 player.  So I guess since people are making the progressive switch in technologies as they  do with other things then a ban is the only way left.</p>
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		<title>By: svxxg</title>
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		<dc:creator>svxxg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Georgette Cleveland</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/30/finland-may-ban-some-light-bulbs/comment-page-1/#comment-341529</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgette Cleveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Miriam Sampson</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/30/finland-may-ban-some-light-bulbs/comment-page-1/#comment-339919</link>
		<dc:creator>Miriam Sampson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, feel good banning is spreading. Whats the return on investment? Zero?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, feel good banning is spreading. Whats the return on investment? Zero?</p>
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		<title>By: For a sustainable future</title>
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		<dc:creator>For a sustainable future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, the British are also banning traditional light bulbs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7016020.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, the British are also banning traditional light bulbs.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7016020.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7016020.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I ever build a house, I&#039;m going to install water circulation-based floor heating. That way I&#039;m able to switch the method of heating (heat pump, oil, wood) with reasonable costs. With direct electric heating, you&#039;re destined to be the electricity companies&#039; bitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I ever build a house, I&#8217;m going to install water circulation-based floor heating. That way I&#8217;m able to switch the method of heating (heat pump, oil, wood) with reasonable costs. With direct electric heating, you&#8217;re destined to be the electricity companies&#8217; bitch.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the district central heating in the towns, which is frankly a lot more efficient than having 100 light bulbs in each room on the go. I think the significance for heating of lighting is not far above zero unless you have some kind of theme park light display in each of your rooms... and even then I suspect the heating sources actually intended for warmth creation are more efficient for your bill and the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the district central heating in the towns, which is frankly a lot more efficient than having 100 light bulbs in each room on the go. I think the significance for heating of lighting is not far above zero unless you have some kind of theme park light display in each of your rooms&#8230; and even then I suspect the heating sources actually intended for warmth creation are more efficient for your bill and the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Punter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Punter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Pave I don&#039;t think I missed anything. The point was that replacing such bulbs in Australia would conserve energy when in fact the time with max energy consumption is summer. Lights are turned off anyway in Australia during summer yet once the AC goes on, BANG max power. Using them in winter hardly counts for anything and in any case, as I mentioned the majority of heating energy is gas. That in fact goes for hot water and cooking too meaning that a private home relies heavily on gas for it&#039;s energy rather than here in Finland where mostly it&#039;s electric, electric or electric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Pave I don&#8217;t think I missed anything. The point was that replacing such bulbs in Australia would conserve energy when in fact the time with max energy consumption is summer. Lights are turned off anyway in Australia during summer yet once the AC goes on, BANG max power. Using them in winter hardly counts for anything and in any case, as I mentioned the majority of heating energy is gas. That in fact goes for hot water and cooking too meaning that a private home relies heavily on gas for it&#8217;s energy rather than here in Finland where mostly it&#8217;s electric, electric or electric.</p>
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		<title>By: Pave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Punter, I think you missed the point hang 10 was making. Light bulbs produce heat that goes to waste in hot Australia unlike in cold Finland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punter, I think you missed the point hang 10 was making. Light bulbs produce heat that goes to waste in hot Australia unlike in cold Finland.</p>
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		<title>By: winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, sadly, a Feel good idea has seen the spot light, and

Drum roll please

eject eject eject, missile up the tail pipe

another Government feel good idea is myth busted. No saving the earth with this silly idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, sadly, a Feel good idea has seen the spot light, and</p>
<p>Drum roll please</p>
<p>eject eject eject, missile up the tail pipe</p>
<p>another Government feel good idea is myth busted. No saving the earth with this silly idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;naw, just came back for the Navy USAF Football game. Navy won. But darn if 30 000 drunkin Sailors brings back the memories.&lt;/i&gt;

Warning to the sailors of the world: don&#039;t pass out drunk in the back seat of winter&#039;s hummer.

Obligatory music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFk2VaDXok

Antti rn:
&lt;i&gt;There is mercury involved in Gallium extraction, but I understand itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a closed-cycle process in this respect.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Closed-cycle&quot; is relative. In places without hippie treehugging laws, the process might be considered closed-cycle if you choose the Earth as your system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>naw, just came back for the Navy USAF Football game. Navy won. But darn if 30 000 drunkin Sailors brings back the memories.</i></p>
<p>Warning to the sailors of the world: don&#8217;t pass out drunk in the back seat of winter&#8217;s hummer.</p>
<p>Obligatory music video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFk2VaDXok" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFk2VaDXok</a></p>
<p>Antti rn:<br />
<i>There is mercury involved in Gallium extraction, but I understand itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a closed-cycle process in this respect.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Closed-cycle&#8221; is relative. In places without hippie treehugging laws, the process might be considered closed-cycle if you choose the Earth as your system.</p>
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		<title>By: Quagga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quagga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kings of leon forever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kings of leon forever</p>
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		<title>By: hang 10</title>
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		<dc:creator>hang 10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 &quot;This is one of the common and classic misconceptions people here have.&quot;

No. It&#039;s not.

I realize that in Australia many people have air conditioning. If Australians used incandescent light bulbs which emit a lot of excess heat, the AC would need to deal with the heat from the light bulbs too, instead of just the &quot;ambient&quot; heat... So obviously using fluorescent tubes will reduce energy consumption and my point stays valid.

Using gas instead of electricity for heating will reduce electricity use like you said. But that isn&#039;t the same thing as reducing _energy_ consumption. I&#039;m not enough of an expert to say which is more energy efficient, gas or electric heating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 &#8220;This is one of the common and classic misconceptions people here have.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>I realize that in Australia many people have air conditioning. If Australians used incandescent light bulbs which emit a lot of excess heat, the AC would need to deal with the heat from the light bulbs too, instead of just the &#8220;ambient&#8221; heat&#8230; So obviously using fluorescent tubes will reduce energy consumption and my point stays valid.</p>
<p>Using gas instead of electricity for heating will reduce electricity use like you said. But that isn&#8217;t the same thing as reducing _energy_ consumption. I&#8217;m not enough of an expert to say which is more energy efficient, gas or electric heating.</p>
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