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		<title>By: modern art painting snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>modern art painting snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your resource .. great site !</description>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winter,

When are you going to figure out that the key reason for Oprah, Martha, etc. being billionaires is not the US or the Finnish government, but the instant access to the wallets of millions and millions of bored American housewives with nothing better to do than surf the shopping channel? On the other hand... who knows... if they all had had access to government provided world class education, maybe they would have something better to do, and maybe Oprah would be just a measly millionaire :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winter,</p>
<p>When are you going to figure out that the key reason for Oprah, Martha, etc. being billionaires is not the US or the Finnish government, but the instant access to the wallets of millions and millions of bored American housewives with nothing better to do than surf the shopping channel? On the other hand&#8230; who knows&#8230; if they all had had access to government provided world class education, maybe they would have something better to do, and maybe Oprah would be just a measly millionaire <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: winter Ã¢â‚¬Å“Yea, Proton Power, now in remissionÃ¢â‚¬Â</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter Ã¢â‚¬Å“Yea, Proton Power, now in remissionÃ¢â‚¬Â</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Right Wing gets enough political power over that sector.&quot;

so the left wing, is OK, the right wing asking for a return on investment is not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Right Wing gets enough political power over that sector.&#8221;</p>
<p>so the left wing, is OK, the right wing asking for a return on investment is not?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me just add, if you think funding art is so great, then just wait until the Right Wing gets enough political power over that sector. Then we&#039;ll see how many of you still support government funding.

Sig Heil, my friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just add, if you think funding art is so great, then just wait until the Right Wing gets enough political power over that sector. Then we&#8217;ll see how many of you still support government funding.</p>
<p>Sig Heil, my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave the Defibrillator: &quot;I make over the Ã¢â‚¬Å“averageÃ¢â‚¬Â income in Finland and my tax rate is still under 30 percent.&quot;

Are you counting the enormous VAT rates and car taxes?  And who  would pay those rediculous consumer prices in Finland?

That &quot;60% of your income&quot; figure is pretty close, I&#039;d say.  But hey, don&#039;t let me stop you from funding art, if you think it&#039;s more important than improving your crappy healthcare and underfunded education system.  

I guess everyone has their own priorities in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave the Defibrillator: &#8220;I make over the Ã¢â‚¬Å“averageÃ¢â‚¬Â income in Finland and my tax rate is still under 30 percent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you counting the enormous VAT rates and car taxes?  And who  would pay those rediculous consumer prices in Finland?</p>
<p>That &#8220;60% of your income&#8221; figure is pretty close, I&#8217;d say.  But hey, don&#8217;t let me stop you from funding art, if you think it&#8217;s more important than improving your crappy healthcare and underfunded education system.  </p>
<p>I guess everyone has their own priorities in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nirva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In essence, how much someone is willing to pay for a work of art tells nothing of its artistic value and everything about how well it is marketed. Just as with everything else on the market.&quot;

I agree. But being an artist is still just a job. I know many entrepreneurs who all have to market their services even if that&#039;s not what they do best. They don&#039;t complain or demand my tax money, they just do their job.

I&#039;ve also done 3D modeling work myself and knew a lot of people in the digital arts community. Many of those people were pretty mediocre at what they did, but they still managed to earn a decent living because those skills were badly needed. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s unfair that the market works like this. And I REALLY don&#039;t think giving grants based on the artists&#039; political opinion produces better art than a free market. As pointed out already, Kiasma is proof of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In essence, how much someone is willing to pay for a work of art tells nothing of its artistic value and everything about how well it is marketed. Just as with everything else on the market.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. But being an artist is still just a job. I know many entrepreneurs who all have to market their services even if that&#8217;s not what they do best. They don&#8217;t complain or demand my tax money, they just do their job.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also done 3D modeling work myself and knew a lot of people in the digital arts community. Many of those people were pretty mediocre at what they did, but they still managed to earn a decent living because those skills were badly needed. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unfair that the market works like this. And I REALLY don&#8217;t think giving grants based on the artists&#8217; political opinion produces better art than a free market. As pointed out already, Kiasma is proof of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who is giving the grants?&lt;/i&gt;

I wish I knew.  I have a napkin here that I am dying to crumple in the name of art, but I&#039;m lacking the funding in order to purchase the inspiration to do so. (I had met a friend at Helsinki University for lunch after visiting Kiasma the first time.  She asked me how it was.  My response was to crumple a napkin and declare that I am a Kiasma artist.  This elicited an angry response from a woman in the next table.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who is giving the grants?</i></p>
<p>I wish I knew.  I have a napkin here that I am dying to crumple in the name of art, but I&#8217;m lacking the funding in order to purchase the inspiration to do so. (I had met a friend at Helsinki University for lunch after visiting Kiasma the first time.  She asked me how it was.  My response was to crumple a napkin and declare that I am a Kiasma artist.  This elicited an angry response from a woman in the next table.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not only grants in art. It is also grants in research. I have been approached a couple of times by some individuals who told me &quot;I was in the committee that gave you that grant&quot;.  The tone and demeanor was unmistakeably sending a message &quot;you owe me&quot;.  Tit-for-tat, good brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not only grants in art. It is also grants in research. I have been approached a couple of times by some individuals who told me &#8220;I was in the committee that gave you that grant&#8221;.  The tone and demeanor was unmistakeably sending a message &#8220;you owe me&#8221;.  Tit-for-tat, good brother.</p>
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		<title>By: winter Ã¢â‚¬Å“Yea, Proton Power, now in remissionÃ¢â‚¬Â</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter Ã¢â‚¬Å“Yea, Proton Power, now in remissionÃ¢â‚¬Â</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who is giving the grants?&quot;

wow, in the USA a black woman, Oprah, is a Billionaire. NO Gov grants needed.

Get a clue, cut the government out, guys. The Gov puts you in poverty, and keeps you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who is giving the grants?&#8221;</p>
<p>wow, in the USA a black woman, Oprah, is a Billionaire. NO Gov grants needed.</p>
<p>Get a clue, cut the government out, guys. The Gov puts you in poverty, and keeps you there.</p>
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		<title>By: hfb</title>
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		<dc:creator>hfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Go to Kiasma and then you will realize that YOU TOO are an artist!&quot; 

*snerk* Ain&#039;t that the truth. Jesus christ on a pogo stick Kiasma is a shining beacon of all that is horrible in the art whore scene...especially in a country with 2 degrees of separation. Both the building and its contents are an eyesore. If only I were related to some Uudenmankatu new media whore scenester and had a set of finger paints I, too, could have something framed up on the walls of the shining steel beached whale of a building known as kiasma. :)

Money kills artists and their creativity. I get sad every time I discover some unknown artist and find a while later they are so successful that they&#039;ve not done anything new or original in a few years. Popularity and money dictate that which the artist used to have the freedom to choose for their own amusement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Go to Kiasma and then you will realize that YOU TOO are an artist!&#8221; </p>
<p>*snerk* Ain&#8217;t that the truth. Jesus christ on a pogo stick Kiasma is a shining beacon of all that is horrible in the art whore scene&#8230;especially in a country with 2 degrees of separation. Both the building and its contents are an eyesore. If only I were related to some Uudenmankatu new media whore scenester and had a set of finger paints I, too, could have something framed up on the walls of the shining steel beached whale of a building known as kiasma. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Money kills artists and their creativity. I get sad every time I discover some unknown artist and find a while later they are so successful that they&#8217;ve not done anything new or original in a few years. Popularity and money dictate that which the artist used to have the freedom to choose for their own amusement.</p>
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		<title>By: Passer-by</title>
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		<dc:creator>Passer-by</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In essence, how much someone is willing to pay for a work of art tells nothing of its artistic value and everything about how well it is marketed. Just as with everything else on the market.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In essence, how much someone is willing to pay for a work of art tells nothing of its artistic value and everything about how well it is marketed. Just as with everything else on the market.</i></p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You get grants if youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re a friend of those who give the grants.&lt;/i&gt;

Who is giving the grants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You get grants if youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re a friend of those who give the grants.</i></p>
<p>Who is giving the grants?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave the Revelator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave the Revelator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, the Finnish art scene is 99% leftist. Well, theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve created this system, so I use it. But I wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t vote for it.&quot; Leo Mussolini

Use your artistic imagination to envision me playing the world&#039;s saddest song on the world&#039;s smallest violin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, the Finnish art scene is 99% leftist. Well, theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve created this system, so I use it. But I wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t vote for it.&#8221; Leo Mussolini</p>
<p>Use your artistic imagination to envision me playing the world&#8217;s saddest song on the world&#8217;s smallest violin.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonardo Mussolini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonardo Mussolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the art scene here though and through. You get grants if you&#039;re a friend of those who give the grants. I try to play the game as well as I can. And hide my political beliefs :-) Yes, the Finnish art scene is 99% leftist. Well, they&#039;ve created this system, so I use it. But I wouldn&#039;t vote for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the art scene here though and through. You get grants if you&#8217;re a friend of those who give the grants. I try to play the game as well as I can. And hide my political beliefs <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes, the Finnish art scene is 99% leftist. Well, they&#8217;ve created this system, so I use it. But I wouldn&#8217;t vote for it.</p>
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		<title>By: winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter, "Yea, Proton Power, now in remission"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets all list some more disturbing &quot;right&quot; wing principles.

Well for one that &quot;Take care on theyself one&quot; or &quot;Self Reliance&quot; is disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets all list some more disturbing &#8220;right&#8221; wing principles.</p>
<p>Well for one that &#8220;Take care on theyself one&#8221; or &#8220;Self Reliance&#8221; is disturbing.</p>
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