Comments on: 94% public subsidies for music in Finland go to classical music http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: aet75 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338258 aet75 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:44:34 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338258 "I am sure there are more appropriate ways to measure the level of success. In my mind, fame and money are hardly the only ones." Well put David. “I am sure there are more appropriate ways to measure the level of success. In my mind, fame and money are hardly the only ones.”

Well put David.

]]> By: David http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338206 David Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:43:40 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338206 Just a thought on this "money investment must produce the best" trend - investing in culture usually take generations to see the result. Besides, the goal is probably not about creating the world's greatest musician or composer per se. Through the study of music, people may appreciate music more through understanding the language of music. This appreciation can enhance the emotion quality of life. Also, the understanding of music can help us explain why some musician is better and not merely based on the intuition. When there is a standard of 'good' music, people will have something to aspire to. Finally, if Finns don't invest in funding cultural education, or only invest for short-term financial reasons, then Finland will always be the culture colony of someone else's, no matter how free, how financially independen Finland is. I am sure there are more appropriate ways to measure the level of success. In my mind, fame and money are hardly the only ones. Just a thought on this “money investment must produce the best” trend – investing in culture usually take generations to see the result. Besides, the goal is probably not about creating the world’s greatest musician or composer per se. Through the study of music, people may appreciate music more through understanding the language of music. This appreciation can enhance the emotion quality of life.

Also, the understanding of music can help us explain why some musician is better and not merely based on the intuition. When there is a standard of ‘good’ music, people will have something to aspire to.

Finally, if Finns don’t invest in funding cultural education, or only invest for short-term financial reasons, then Finland will always be the culture colony of someone else’s, no matter how free, how financially independen Finland is.

I am sure there are more appropriate ways to measure the level of success. In my mind, fame and money are hardly the only ones.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338194 Anonymous Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:06:30 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338194 But why is Flash playing drums in Hanoi Rocks. Perhaps it wasn't Axl alone who copied Hanoi Rocks. "The only reason I put my hair up is because Izzy had these pictures of Hanoi Rocks and they were cool ..." But why is Flash playing drums in Hanoi Rocks.

Perhaps it wasn’t Axl alone who copied Hanoi Rocks. “The only reason I put my hair up is because Izzy had these pictures of Hanoi Rocks and they were cool …”

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338179 Freeridin' Franklin Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:43:04 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338179 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYh9PxRfeto "Mitään ei olla otettu..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYh9PxRfeto

“Mitään ei olla otettu…”

]]> By: Kristian http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338156 Kristian Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:21:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338156 Hanoi Rocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e51VhDHqb-0 Hanoi Rocks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e51VhDHqb-0

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338151 Punter Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:28:39 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338151 yötä yötä

]]> By: tsuhna http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338147 tsuhna Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:50:38 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338147 I once knew this person who was unable to understand how ugly he sounded, you know, insulting everyone without realizing it. A typical narcissistic personality disorder in other words. Or so I thought. Actually it turned out before the proceedings that he was a psychopath after all. He knew that he was insulting everyone but kept doing it anyway. He just loved it. But now I realized all of a sudden that deepening my friendship with you, Punter, seems unlikely, so it must be: good night, farewell (hopefully back to where you came from). I once knew this person who was unable to understand how ugly he sounded, you know, insulting everyone without realizing it. A typical narcissistic personality disorder in other words. Or so I thought. Actually it turned out before the proceedings that he was a psychopath after all. He knew that he was insulting everyone but kept doing it anyway. He just loved it.

But now I realized all of a sudden that deepening my friendship with you, Punter, seems unlikely, so it must be: good night, farewell (hopefully back to where you came from).

]]> By: hfb http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338145 hfb Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:35:13 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338145 Anonypundit - He ceased composing in the 20s and he attended the same eponymous academy at some point, presumeably before it was renamed. All of the musicians of Queen were classically trained, too...but I don't think they needed the lame eurovision contest or rubber wings to put themselves on the map, i.e. they had talent. :) Maybe it was the flaming fabulosity and the sparkles. Anonypundit – He ceased composing in the 20s and he attended the same eponymous academy at some point, presumeably before it was renamed.

All of the musicians of Queen were classically trained, too…but I don’t think they needed the lame eurovision contest or rubber wings to put themselves on the map, i.e. they had talent. :) Maybe it was the flaming fabulosity and the sparkles.

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338142 Punter Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:07:02 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338142 We' left that to the kiwis dumb ass. We only worry about the important things. Tsuhna, no the problem is in your wiring if you think they are international success stories. My head is fine. We’ left that to the kiwis dumb ass. We only worry about the important things.

Tsuhna, no the problem is in your wiring if you think they are international success stories. My head is fine.

]]> By: tsuhna http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338138 tsuhna Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:53:15 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338138 Punter, sulla viiraa päässä aika pahasti. Punter, sulla viiraa päässä aika pahasti.

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338134 Freeridin' Franklin Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:40:46 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338134 <i>Yeah!!!! Everyone sing “Esa-Pekka Salonen… E-P Salonen” “Esa-Pekka Salonen…. E-P Salonen” in that fucking stupid annoying little jingle you Finns seem to have for everyone or anyone that ever wins anything in this country.</i> Certainly, and we manage to do so while simultaneously shunning and discouraging success, as Sirkuspelle is keen on telling us. We're funky that way. Seems like you could use a taste of tim73's pills. Or have you already sampled them? <i>YOU NEBER WIN ANYTHING IMPORTANT.</i> I don't know what would be important to you. The sheepshagging world championships probably. Yeah!!!! Everyone sing “Esa-Pekka Salonen… E-P Salonen”
“Esa-Pekka Salonen…. E-P Salonen” in that fucking stupid annoying little jingle you Finns seem to have for everyone or anyone that ever wins anything in this country.

Certainly, and we manage to do so while simultaneously shunning and discouraging success, as Sirkuspelle is keen on telling us. We’re funky that way.

Seems like you could use a taste of tim73′s pills. Or have you already sampled them?

YOU NEBER WIN ANYTHING IMPORTANT.

I don’t know what would be important to you. The sheepshagging world championships probably.

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338131 Punter Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:06:03 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338131 #23 are you telling me The Leningrad Cowboys are an international success? If so then yes I will challenge you on that because in the realms of international music fame they are not even a spot on the pimple of the ass of a fly on the wall. Neither are Hanoi Rocks. As for Franky, yes of course I have heard of the LA Phil, So what? What is your point. That Salonen is musical director there and for that reason Finns are the top shit of the worlds music cream? My God man, you were well taught in this country. Yeah!!!! Everyone sing "Esa-Pekka Salonen... E-P Salonen" "Esa-Pekka Salonen.... E-P Salonen" in that fucking stupid annoying little jingle you Finns seem to have for everyone or anyone that ever wins anything in this country. Thank God we don't have to listen to it too often because YOU NEBER WIN ANYTHING IMPORTANT. #23 are you telling me The Leningrad Cowboys are an international success? If so then yes I will challenge you on that because in the realms of international music fame they are not even a spot on the pimple of the ass of a fly on the wall. Neither are Hanoi Rocks.
As for Franky, yes of course I have heard of the LA Phil, So what? What is your point. That Salonen is musical director there and for that reason Finns are the top shit of the worlds music cream? My God man, you were well taught in this country.

Yeah!!!! Everyone sing “Esa-Pekka Salonen… E-P Salonen”
“Esa-Pekka Salonen…. E-P Salonen” in that fucking stupid annoying little jingle you Finns seem to have for everyone or anyone that ever wins anything in this country. Thank God we don’t have to listen to it too often because YOU NEBER WIN ANYTHING IMPORTANT.

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338130 Freeridin' Franklin Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:32:03 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338130 In his own world, Punter is always right. And we know that's what really counts. Btw, Punty, ever heard of the LA Philharmonic Orchestra? In his own world, Punter is always right. And we know that’s what really counts.

Btw, Punty, ever heard of the LA Philharmonic Orchestra?

]]> By: tsuhna http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338120 tsuhna Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:00:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338120 Punter, Punter, knowing that you are hardly ever right about anything, do really think that you should challenge me on something I know this well? Punter, Punter, knowing that you are hardly ever right about anything, do really think that you should challenge me on something I know this well?

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/comment-page-1/#comment-338114 Punter Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:23:56 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/09/18/94-public-subsidies-for-music-in-finland-go-to-classical-music/#comment-338114 #20- "I think that Leningrad Cowboys was the first international success story, along with Hanoi Rocks in the 80s." ha ha ha ha etc etc etc..... What the hell do you equate to being "international success stories?" Almost like a wife carrying world champion, sauna champion, swamp football world champion etc etc etc. "International success story........." that's a classic ;) #20- “I think that Leningrad Cowboys was the first international success story, along with Hanoi Rocks in the 80s.”

ha ha ha ha etc etc etc…..

What the hell do you equate to being “international success stories?” Almost like a wife carrying world champion, sauna champion, swamp football world champion etc etc etc.
“International success story………” that’s a classic ;)

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