Comments on: Firearm ownership in Finland is the third highest in the world http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: B.G.O. http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-379767 B.G.O. Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:47:14 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-379767 First off, to get a "submachinegun" in the US legally, you have to go through a lot of checks. Most of the automatic weapons here are illegal and are smuggled in(gee what a surprise). Don't be deceived by people who say gun violence is XXmany. Unless it differentiates between legal and illegal weapons, it covers police shootings and such as well making the stats meaningless. None of the people who do get it legally is not going to take a chance using it illegally. If you were reading this with an intelligent eye, you would notice it DOES say what the percentage is, it is 59%. Most gun crimes in the US are done with ILLEGAL guns, not by people who are going to get them legally.Not only that but if you do have firearms legally, you try very hard not to commit a felon(serious crime) as you then lose your right to own them. In my case I have 13 weapons(firearms). I am more careful to not break the law so I don't lose my weapons. They confiscate them(take) and they don't give you the money for them. I can also kill some just as fast with my hands. If someone intent on hurting my family, and I don't protect them at the time it happens, who will? Unless I have a cop here for dinner, they will not get here before 5 shots can be fired and my family is dead. I will, maybe, give up my weapons when they have police that can be fit in a pocket. So if you want to get into a pi**ing contest, you best know your facts. By the way, in the US, if a toy gun is used in a crime, it is still counted as gun violence! First off, to get a “submachinegun” in the US legally, you have to go through a lot of checks. Most of the automatic weapons here are illegal and are smuggled in(gee what a surprise). Don’t be deceived by people who say gun violence is XXmany. Unless it differentiates between legal and illegal weapons, it covers police shootings and such as well making the stats meaningless. None of the people who do get it legally is not going to take a chance using it illegally. If you were reading this with an intelligent eye, you would notice it DOES say what the percentage is, it is 59%. Most gun crimes in the US are done with ILLEGAL guns, not by people who are going to get them legally.Not only that but if you do have firearms legally, you try very hard not to commit a felon(serious crime) as you then lose your right to own them. In my case I have 13 weapons(firearms). I am more careful to not break the law so I don’t lose my weapons. They confiscate them(take) and they don’t give you the money for them. I can also kill some just as fast with my hands. If someone intent on hurting my family, and I don’t protect them at the time it happens, who will? Unless I have a cop here for dinner, they will not get here before 5 shots can be fired and my family is dead. I will, maybe, give up my weapons when they have police that can be fit in a pocket. So if you want to get into a pi**ing contest, you best know your facts. By the way, in the US, if a toy gun is used in a crime, it is still counted as gun violence!

]]> By: James Kirk http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-364957 James Kirk Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:11:51 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-364957 P.S. I hate your blog. It's useless information and depressing. Go eat a banana and watch the "Odd Couple". P.S. I hate your blog. It’s useless information and depressing.
Go eat a banana and watch the “Odd Couple”.

]]> By: James Kirk http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-364956 James Kirk Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:09:17 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-364956 Sweden has the most beautiful women in the world, much better looking than Finnish women, blah! Swedes are so god damn friendly and polite. Fuck yeah! I love Sweden! Two countries which really are at the bottom of the barrel are America and Finland. Oh by the way, you have to a sociopath to kill someone with or without using a firearm or any weapon including hands. Use your time constructively and visit Sweden. Best experience you could have. Sweden has the most beautiful women in the world, much better looking than Finnish women, blah! Swedes are so god damn friendly and polite. Fuck yeah! I love Sweden!

Two countries which really are at the bottom of the barrel are America and Finland.

Oh by the way, you have to a sociopath to kill someone with or without using a firearm or any weapon including hands.

Use your time constructively and visit Sweden. Best experience you could have.

]]> By: Mindbreaker http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-351915 Mindbreaker Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:44:48 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-351915 GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE! The ammount of people getting killed USA starts to decrease only when they start to build a nation of conscience insted of nation of freedom. GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE! The ammount of people getting killed USA starts to decrease only when they start to build a nation of conscience insted of nation of freedom.

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-337018 Punter Sat, 01 Sep 2007 05:28:32 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-337018 Sorry to rain on your party Dansc but I AM PERFECTLY AWARE OF THE PROCEDURES AND TESTS FOR BUYING A RIFLE IN FINLAND. Thanks for your concern but really, it's as easy to but the weapon legally as it was for your uncle-in-law to end his friend's life. BTW, how is he doing? Enjoying life in the big house is he? Sorry to rain on your party Dansc but I AM PERFECTLY AWARE OF THE PROCEDURES AND TESTS FOR BUYING A RIFLE IN FINLAND. Thanks for your concern but really, it’s as easy to but the weapon legally as it was for your uncle-in-law to end his friend’s life. BTW, how is he doing? Enjoying life in the big house is he?

]]> By: Dansc http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-337005 Dansc Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:48:26 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-337005 Punter, I think you don't really understand exactly how difficult it actually is to legally buy a gun in Finland. If it's for hunting, you have to belong to a hunting club and have passed a hunter's test. If it's for range shooting, you have to belong to a shooting club (I'm not sure if there's a test involved here as well, but I wouldn't be surprised). I personally think that a big part of the Finnish weapons are old hunting weapons people once bought when they got excited about hunting, and then when they lost interest in the hobby, the gun just got forgotten. I know my father has a hunting shotgun and ammo in the attic, and he hasn't hunted in over a decade. I do agree, though, that people may just flip out, and in these cases guns are of course really dangerous. My former uncle-in-law used to own a security company. One night he was drinking with his friend while in uniform, snapped for an unknown reason, pulled out his service gun and shot his friend dead. These things happen. Who could explain it? Punter,

I think you don’t really understand exactly how difficult it actually is to legally buy a gun in Finland. If it’s for hunting, you have to belong to a hunting club and have passed a hunter’s test. If it’s for range shooting, you have to belong to a shooting club (I’m not sure if there’s a test involved here as well, but I wouldn’t be surprised).

I personally think that a big part of the Finnish weapons are old hunting weapons people once bought when they got excited about hunting, and then when they lost interest in the hobby, the gun just got forgotten. I know my father has a hunting shotgun and ammo in the attic, and he hasn’t hunted in over a decade.

I do agree, though, that people may just flip out, and in these cases guns are of course really dangerous. My former uncle-in-law used to own a security company. One night he was drinking with his friend while in uniform, snapped for an unknown reason, pulled out his service gun and shot his friend dead. These things happen. Who could explain it?

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336917 Punter Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:17:09 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336917 #39- So true Prince, so sad but true. #39- So true Prince, so sad but true.

]]> By: Firepower http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336907 Firepower Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:30:57 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336907 Guns are not the the cause to gun related fatalities in US, the problem is that there are so many social/cultural problems in the country. I think tighter gun control should be in place until other problems have been solved (which will never happend ;) So I repeat: Guns are not the problem, but the peoplea are, so by restricting weapons people only help themselves. Guns are not the the cause to gun related fatalities in US, the problem is that there are so many social/cultural problems in the country. I think tighter gun control should be in place until other problems have been solved (which will never happend ;) So I repeat: Guns are not the problem, but the peoplea are, so by restricting weapons people only help themselves.

]]> By: prince of dorkness http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336906 prince of dorkness Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:17:44 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336906 @38, You need not have any sinister ideas when you get the gun. People change. A guy who inhales enough paint thinners (real men are not afraid of stuff like that) is no longer the stable, reasonable guy who could be trusted with a firearm, but as long as he's committed no crime the cops are unlikely to disarm him, even if his ex begs them to... @38,
You need not have any sinister ideas when you get the gun. People change. A guy who inhales enough paint thinners (real men are not afraid of stuff like that) is no longer the stable, reasonable guy who could be trusted with a firearm, but as long as he’s committed no crime the cops are unlikely to disarm him, even if his ex begs them to…

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336904 Punter Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:26:22 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336904 #37- Granted. My point is simply that there are legal ways in which to acquire a gun. Once you have it, there is no reason that you will always follow the reasoning behind your application. You may well state a reason ie hunting or sports shooting in order to get it but the primary reason behind having the firearm may be more sinister. Visit the range to maintain yur accuracy while planning or dreaming of using it for other purposes. As for sawn offs, they were all bought originally as legal, long barrel weapons. In fact if that was the weapon of choice for me I would sooner buy the weapon legally myself and do the cutting myself avoiding dealing with the types selling such weapons. Unless there is a yearly inspection of your firearms (gun katsastus) which there isn't, how on earth would the authorities know that my once legal hunting gun is now a sawn off people hunting gun? To think such things don't happen is to think all guns are used responsibly by owners and never used in crime. If that was the case then this conversation wouldn't be happening. #37- Granted. My point is simply that there are legal ways in which to acquire a gun. Once you have it, there is no reason that you will always follow the reasoning behind your application. You may well state a reason ie hunting or sports shooting in order to get it but the primary reason behind having the firearm may be more sinister. Visit the range to maintain yur accuracy while planning or dreaming of using it for other purposes.
As for sawn offs, they were all bought originally as legal, long barrel weapons. In fact if that was the weapon of choice for me I would sooner buy the weapon legally myself and do the cutting myself avoiding dealing with the types selling such weapons. Unless there is a yearly inspection of your firearms (gun katsastus) which there isn’t, how on earth would the authorities know that my once legal hunting gun is now a sawn off people hunting gun? To think such things don’t happen is to think all guns are used responsibly by owners and never used in crime. If that was the case then this conversation wouldn’t be happening.

]]> By: prince of dorkness http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336902 prince of dorkness Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:34:57 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336902 @28, Long guns are inconvenient to carry around. A sawed-off is illegal so it makes no sense to get a license for a shotgun if you want one (buying a sawed-off illegally is more like it). If you want to sports shoot, you need a place, i.e. a gun club (unless you live in the sticks and own enough land for a range of your own). @28,
Long guns are inconvenient to carry around. A sawed-off is illegal so it makes no sense to get a license for a shotgun if you want one (buying a sawed-off illegally is more like it).
If you want to sports shoot, you need a place, i.e. a gun club (unless you live in the sticks and own enough land for a range of your own).

]]> By: fairness http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336899 fairness Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:37:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336899 If someone wants a gun, they should have the right to own one. Hard to haver another human being dictate who shall have guns and who shall not. I like guns and I own 11 of them. from 9 mm to pump shot gun. I love shooting and i love the art of guns. If you don't ? don't own one. I also own a compound bow and love it. Do I hunt ? nope. I don't like killing animals when i could just go to a supermarket. If I need to hunt. NP for food. All in all, If I'm a good guy. I would let mini nazi dictators like many tell me I can't have a gun. Them there are fighting words ;-) If someone wants a gun, they should have the right to own one.
Hard to haver another human being dictate who shall have guns and who shall not. I like guns and I own 11 of them. from 9 mm to pump shot gun. I love shooting and i love the art of guns. If you don’t ? don’t own one. I also own a compound bow and love it. Do I hunt ? nope. I don’t like killing animals when i could just go to a supermarket. If I need to hunt. NP for food. All in all, If I’m a good guy. I would let mini nazi dictators like many tell me I can’t have a gun. Them there are fighting words ;-)

]]> By: winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission” http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336895 winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission” Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:50:36 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336895 I noticed some signs in the water with numbers as I sailed out of the creek. Asked the local, what that was. He said, that the don't stop, or you get shot zone. He was serious. Turned out it is markers for farmed oyster beds, and yes they do unload on you if you are seen there. I noticed some signs in the water with numbers as I sailed out of the creek.

Asked the local, what that was. He said, that the don’t stop, or you get shot zone. He was serious.

Turned out it is markers for farmed oyster beds, and yes they do unload on you if you are seen there.

]]> By: winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission” http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336894 winter “Yea, Proton Power, now in remission” Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:46:20 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336894 "It’s effectively illegal to use firearms for self-defense in Finland." Huh, so someone is breaking down your front door, your colt 45 is on the top shelf, and you can't plug the guy? Look, it is a shame, you all let criminals off so easy. We had a breakin at the camp ground, and when word spread, the guy was pinned down between two houses, in a shooting match. Nice to know my neighbors are such poor shots. The guy gave up to the first patrol car he saw. “It’s effectively illegal to use firearms for self-defense in Finland.”

Huh, so someone is breaking down your front door, your colt 45 is on the top shelf, and you can’t plug the guy?

Look, it is a shame, you all let criminals off so easy. We had a breakin at the camp ground, and when word spread, the guy was pinned down between two houses, in a shooting match.

Nice to know my neighbors are such poor shots. The guy gave up to the first patrol car he saw.

]]> By: mog http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-336892 mog Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:23:41 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/29/firearm-ownership-in-finland-is-the-third-highest-in-the-world/#comment-336892 28. "someone suggests I get a brain." It'd be a nice change. You never know, you might even enjoy it. 28.
“someone suggests I get a brain.”

It’d be a nice change. You never know, you might even enjoy it.

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