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		<title>By: Pharmf529</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/08/07/finns-spend-far-beyond-means-when-vacationing/comment-page-1/#comment-376593</link>
		<dc:creator>Pharmf529</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice site!</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tax on land is indeed too low. Land owners can and do stick to their property for decades waiting for the prices to go up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax on land is indeed too low. Land owners can and do stick to their property for decades waiting for the prices to go up.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42: Good point about the Politbyro. As it happens, I trust the Almighty Invisible Hand even less, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42: Good point about the Politbyro. As it happens, I trust the Almighty Invisible Hand even less, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 36

Passing by,

The politicians are Ã¢â‚¬Å“dragging their feetÃ¢â‚¬Â concerning

- car tax
- land tax
- construction permit reform
- alcohol monopoly
- gambling monopoly
- immigration reform

because each of these issues serves the politicians&#039; own interests best when the situation stays at its current state.  

Why would the politician give up on the lucrative control of money flows, when the median voter still believes that the current Finland is the best possible one? You can read from this blog&#039;s discussions how vehemently quite many people support the basic belief that this socialist inefficiency is the price an individual has to pay for a rule of law and relative safety. 

The politicians&#039; interest concerning these issues is to make the median voter believe that each politician is doing everything possible to look after the voter&#039;s interest, while in reality keeping the situation basically unchanged or worsening to the voter.

The current non-socialist government, ostensibly pro-market, seems determined to:
- increase taxes collected from cars and driving, but not really caring if the measures clean the air
- limit the competition between local governments and therefore
bolster further the construction regulation leading to 
- higher priced cost of housing and 
- increases in tax on real estate
- hike the alcohol taxes and therefore bolster the state monopoly
- fight the EU attempts to break the state gambling monopoly
- deport the few uninformed immigrants / refugees attempting to join our economy. With the exeception that they have a pre-arranged job before arriving to the country, like the Thai berry pickers or Indian IT experts. The gastarbeiter-idea is very alive and well.

But again, it is nices to keep the basic belief that the politbyro is there to serve us, not to suck us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 36</p>
<p>Passing by,</p>
<p>The politicians are Ã¢â‚¬Å“dragging their feetÃ¢â‚¬Â concerning</p>
<p>- car tax<br />
- land tax<br />
- construction permit reform<br />
- alcohol monopoly<br />
- gambling monopoly<br />
- immigration reform</p>
<p>because each of these issues serves the politicians&#8217; own interests best when the situation stays at its current state.  </p>
<p>Why would the politician give up on the lucrative control of money flows, when the median voter still believes that the current Finland is the best possible one? You can read from this blog&#8217;s discussions how vehemently quite many people support the basic belief that this socialist inefficiency is the price an individual has to pay for a rule of law and relative safety. </p>
<p>The politicians&#8217; interest concerning these issues is to make the median voter believe that each politician is doing everything possible to look after the voter&#8217;s interest, while in reality keeping the situation basically unchanged or worsening to the voter.</p>
<p>The current non-socialist government, ostensibly pro-market, seems determined to:<br />
- increase taxes collected from cars and driving, but not really caring if the measures clean the air<br />
- limit the competition between local governments and therefore<br />
bolster further the construction regulation leading to<br />
- higher priced cost of housing and<br />
- increases in tax on real estate<br />
- hike the alcohol taxes and therefore bolster the state monopoly<br />
- fight the EU attempts to break the state gambling monopoly<br />
- deport the few uninformed immigrants / refugees attempting to join our economy. With the exeception that they have a pre-arranged job before arriving to the country, like the Thai berry pickers or Indian IT experts. The gastarbeiter-idea is very alive and well.</p>
<p>But again, it is nices to keep the basic belief that the politbyro is there to serve us, not to suck us.</p>
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		<title>By: dave the grave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave the grave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dave canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t comprehend buying goods at cheep places.&quot; winturd wrote.

No, if you had your &quot;smart&quot; glasses on, you would have read the exact opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dave canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t comprehend buying goods at cheep places.&#8221; winturd wrote.</p>
<p>No, if you had your &#8220;smart&#8221; glasses on, you would have read the exact opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30: You fail to take into account that much of Nokia&#039;s stock was bought at all-time high prices, around 50-70Ã¢â€šÂ¬, unlikely to be reached again for a very long time. It was a truly remarkable transfer of wealth to Finland. Every buttfuck village in the country seems to have at least one Nokia milliomaire.

Unlike you, I don&#039;t have a mercantilistic/protectionistic view of the global marketplace. We&#039;re all for sale here and it&#039;s up to us to make the best of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30: You fail to take into account that much of Nokia&#8217;s stock was bought at all-time high prices, around 50-70Ã¢â€šÂ¬, unlikely to be reached again for a very long time. It was a truly remarkable transfer of wealth to Finland. Every buttfuck village in the country seems to have at least one Nokia milliomaire.</p>
<p>Unlike you, I don&#8217;t have a mercantilistic/protectionistic view of the global marketplace. We&#8217;re all for sale here and it&#8217;s up to us to make the best of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Antti Vilpponen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antti Vilpponen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit late here, but I think one of the reasons not suggested here yet (was unable to find it glimpsing through the comments) is that Finns get that vacation money which is almost half of a normal months salary (or is half?).

With that money in our account, it&#039;s no wonder we go on a spending spree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit late here, but I think one of the reasons not suggested here yet (was unable to find it glimpsing through the comments) is that Finns get that vacation money which is almost half of a normal months salary (or is half?).</p>
<p>With that money in our account, it&#8217;s no wonder we go on a spending spree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oregon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oregon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristian, you are almost a lunatic. You decline to see business opportunities in price differentials. You seem to know something about structural engineering, but then make claims that totally  invalidate that impression. You complain about  the entrepreneurial hardships in this country, but really don&#039;t know a shit about being an entrepreneur - anywhere. Are you capable of anything else but whining? Have you ever risked anything? Probably not. 

Life in Finland is astonishingly uncomplicated, very safe, and everyone is trusted by default. Try to order kÃ¢â€šÂ¬20 worth of building materials by phone in any  country; let me suggest: Germany. Here you get it delivered and billed with no other questions asked except for the address. Oral agreements are honoured -  I first  felt that very scary, but later we had our summer house built that way.

i am not claiming that Finland is a paradise, and we have experienced some problems here. Nevertheless,  this is a damn good little country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristian, you are almost a lunatic. You decline to see business opportunities in price differentials. You seem to know something about structural engineering, but then make claims that totally  invalidate that impression. You complain about  the entrepreneurial hardships in this country, but really don&#8217;t know a shit about being an entrepreneur &#8211; anywhere. Are you capable of anything else but whining? Have you ever risked anything? Probably not. </p>
<p>Life in Finland is astonishingly uncomplicated, very safe, and everyone is trusted by default. Try to order kÃ¢â€šÂ¬20 worth of building materials by phone in any  country; let me suggest: Germany. Here you get it delivered and billed with no other questions asked except for the address. Oral agreements are honoured &#8211;  I first  felt that very scary, but later we had our summer house built that way.</p>
<p>i am not claiming that Finland is a paradise, and we have experienced some problems here. Nevertheless,  this is a damn good little country.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristianer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristianer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed, we, the finns, don&#039;t want to be poor. I mean, take any Norwegian. Thay have alot more moony. They do. Miksi helvetissä? Mistä vitusta siinä on kuysymsy=?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, we, the finns, don&#8217;t want to be poor. I mean, take any Norwegian. Thay have alot more moony. They do. Miksi helvetissä? Mistä vitusta siinä on kuysymsy=?</p>
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		<title>By: passing by</title>
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		<dc:creator>passing by</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WE all kow that cartels are specialities of finnish industry  i.e Forest industry or Kone or (not yet investigated: S-K Market for price fixing ;-&gt; or retail in general...)

We have now ex-state company &quot;Neste oil&quot; being put in the same bag...:
The Finnish Competition Authority says Neste Oil must change fuel distribution agreements with service stations. An investigation shows most of the deals are against current legislation governing competition.

What i like is that they investigate when the harm is already done (i.e Same as the US did in Microsoft vs Netscape...)

Can one explain to me why is that politicians are dragging their feet concerning :
 - Car tax
 - Land tax
 - Construction Permit reform
 - Alcohol monopoly
 - Gambling monopoly
 - Immigration reform

The finnish economy could have been good if the fondation was rock solid but it&#039;s not since this government is far too much controling it trying to inject or withdrew liquidity through various TAX or financial tricks...It&#039;s on the way of improving but its progress could be badly hurt if not done fast..as time is running out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WE all kow that cartels are specialities of finnish industry  i.e Forest industry or Kone or (not yet investigated: S-K Market for price fixing ;-&gt; or retail in general&#8230;)</p>
<p>We have now ex-state company &#8220;Neste oil&#8221; being put in the same bag&#8230;:<br />
The Finnish Competition Authority says Neste Oil must change fuel distribution agreements with service stations. An investigation shows most of the deals are against current legislation governing competition.</p>
<p>What i like is that they investigate when the harm is already done (i.e Same as the US did in Microsoft vs Netscape&#8230;)</p>
<p>Can one explain to me why is that politicians are dragging their feet concerning :<br />
 &#8211; Car tax<br />
 &#8211; Land tax<br />
 &#8211; Construction Permit reform<br />
 &#8211; Alcohol monopoly<br />
 &#8211; Gambling monopoly<br />
 &#8211; Immigration reform</p>
<p>The finnish economy could have been good if the fondation was rock solid but it&#8217;s not since this government is far too much controling it trying to inject or withdrew liquidity through various TAX or financial tricks&#8230;It&#8217;s on the way of improving but its progress could be badly hurt if not done fast..as time is running out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristianerless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristianerless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, Plimpmilp, was the magic word. You bew it, mi sir. Now take this: the Finnish economy sucks, sucks, sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, Plimpmilp, was the magic word. You bew it, mi sir. Now take this: the Finnish economy sucks, sucks, sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: the Priest</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Priest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, the Finshit economy is one of the kind, plays in its own league. We Kristians think it&#039;s a sacrilege even to hint on the possibility that another eceonomy could be anything like the Finnshit eceonomy. In fact, I have to give you eternal flames because suggested so. Sorry. PlimP! (That&#039;s a magic word, becauser it &#039;s the same whichever way you say it, you know!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, the Finshit economy is one of the kind, plays in its own league. We Kristians think it&#8217;s a sacrilege even to hint on the possibility that another eceonomy could be anything like the Finnshit eceonomy. In fact, I have to give you eternal flames because suggested so. Sorry. PlimP! (That&#8217;s a magic word, becauser it &#8216;s the same whichever way you say it, you know!)</p>
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		<title>By: passing by</title>
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		<dc:creator>passing by</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Finnish economy as many other like US, UK, Australia are based on debt burden. Debt is all ok if the economy is on track and the investment sound. Is it in Finland? 

The economy as it is today is surrounded by risks :
  - China/India overheating
  - Households over endebted
  - Stocks (funds - finnish funds) being funded by wall of liquidity created artificially (yen carry trade, credit derivative etc...)
  - mass retirement : not as people say, lots of money will be inherited...untrue.. lots of money needed to take care and fund the retiree 
  - Ridiculous Car tax (;-&gt;), cartels (S-K- Markets, Kone,  etc...)
 
It is true that the finish economy &quot;belongs to foreigner&quot;...or &quot;stolen&quot;...in fact, if you remove direct foreign investment in Finland you get a total collapse of the economy as any way other economies will do too.

&quot;Communist money&quot;....i heard that russians are slowly buying the best lands in Finland...they are flush of money... i think they could if they wanted to, buy all the interesting assets in Finland except Nokia which has already been sold to US i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Finnish economy as many other like US, UK, Australia are based on debt burden. Debt is all ok if the economy is on track and the investment sound. Is it in Finland? </p>
<p>The economy as it is today is surrounded by risks :<br />
  &#8211; China/India overheating<br />
  &#8211; Households over endebted<br />
  &#8211; Stocks (funds &#8211; finnish funds) being funded by wall of liquidity created artificially (yen carry trade, credit derivative etc&#8230;)<br />
  &#8211; mass retirement : not as people say, lots of money will be inherited&#8230;untrue.. lots of money needed to take care and fund the retiree<br />
  &#8211; Ridiculous Car tax (;-&gt;), cartels (S-K- Markets, Kone,  etc&#8230;)</p>
<p>It is true that the finish economy &#8220;belongs to foreigner&#8221;&#8230;or &#8220;stolen&#8221;&#8230;in fact, if you remove direct foreign investment in Finland you get a total collapse of the economy as any way other economies will do too.</p>
<p>&#8220;Communist money&#8221;&#8230;.i heard that russians are slowly buying the best lands in Finland&#8230;they are flush of money&#8230; i think they could if they wanted to, buy all the interesting assets in Finland except Nokia which has already been sold to US i think.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have to Kristianize certain misunderstandings here: Some people may think that the finnshit share-holders of Nokia gave up their shares for a market-value price. Not true. In fact, it was the Jewish owned  communist money disguised as &quot;capitalistic&quot; who bought the Finnish national property, probably at gun point. Wait ... sorry, it wasn&#039;t the Jews after all. It was the Finns. Or Americans. Or Germans. I have to get back on this. Anyway, we Kristians know for sure that somebody did steal the Finnish economy once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have to Kristianize certain misunderstandings here: Some people may think that the finnshit share-holders of Nokia gave up their shares for a market-value price. Not true. In fact, it was the Jewish owned  communist money disguised as &#8220;capitalistic&#8221; who bought the Finnish national property, probably at gun point. Wait &#8230; sorry, it wasn&#8217;t the Jews after all. It was the Finns. Or Americans. Or Germans. I have to get back on this. Anyway, we Kristians know for sure that somebody did steal the Finnish economy once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to #24:
&quot;I think Finland is full of Subprime mortgage&quot;

Not only does the Finland face its own subprime crisis, it could be far worse than in the U.S. 

With higher interest rates yet to have their full effect, mortgage arrears are likely to rise further, while unsecured bad debt might start to rise again too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to #24:<br />
&#8220;I think Finland is full of Subprime mortgage&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only does the Finland face its own subprime crisis, it could be far worse than in the U.S. </p>
<p>With higher interest rates yet to have their full effect, mortgage arrears are likely to rise further, while unsecured bad debt might start to rise again too</p>
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