If that’s those pics are from the Compulsory service I think I’m gonna move back to London, become naturalised and denounce my Finnish citizenship… Not interested in being humiliated like that…

Yep, if that was the USA, you all would be marching in the street?

Why no public outcry? The BBC does not think its anti USA enough?

Club Gitmo, looks like a vacation compared to what you all do.

those pictures are satire humor about abugraib. soldier made them by themselves.

Winter, The difference is, this was voluntary not compulsory. Certainly, as a joke, it may be in poor taste. But it not a violation of human rights.

It’s also worth pointing out the context of the headline “Finns have been singled out as the most difficult soldiers to work with”.
This singling out is by one Swedish organisation out of those nations within the Nordic battle group, i.e. out of 4 countries (Sweden, Finland, Norway and Estonia).

Now, I really am not qualified to know what goes on in the Finnish military these days. But, back in the days when I was conscripted all was quite civilised. But then, this was Nylands brigad, so a lot of people knew each other already (The Dunk Pond is not so big).

How do you go gay in a country full of hot women?

It was a practical joke on a “dress freely” command for an evening roll call.

So you base your view of Finnish males being bunch of bigoted homophobes, for what exactly? For that one report by some Swedish organization (who, as is said in the article you linked, couldn’t really give any examples of how Finnish military are supposed to be so anti-gay)?

And as has been said, those pics are a joke – as you most likely very well knew already.

The standard of this blog is really appalling sometimes.

Free beer in the army? D’uhh, that’s new! And btw, they don’t force us into the military service, there’s a choice called civilian service. No guns involved. ….example of anti-gay bias by a Swedish organisation promoting sexual equality…..RIGHT! All that you read must be true since the research was done by a non-biased gay rights organization. How many ppl did they interview for this so-called research? 4?

I just wonder how much of these accusations are based on the veeery old (and not that grand I admit) finnish joke; “all swedes are gay”. That’d mean that finns actually promote the equality of swedes, right?

Standard comment on this would include something on earrings, hair nets, having long hair and should there be discussion within the unit to make sure that everybody is OK with the orders. Let’s denote this by number 4. Now everybody can save time by inserting 4…

Hmmm…Does HOF have any first-hand evidence on this or is it just their perception? Have somebody participated in a military exercise with the finns declaring being gay and ended up behind the sauna or something? I would expect there is a lot more to think about than someones orientation in those circumstances.

Again, Club Gitmo for retired terrorists is a nicer place than in your military. But then again, the need for suntan oil would be the same.

The same type of skit was done by a USA F18 squadron, (In a private club) and the commanding officer was fired.

No, you have the Oil from your stupid Human Shield deployment to lebanon, so why do you care. Just ask Darfur. Oh I forget, the Chinese are running the show there, so we can’t be saying anything.

Well, I suppose you would be quite fine then it the terrorists would treat American prisoners like they do at “Club Gitmo”. I mean it’s such a happy holiday camp, now ain’t it?

Actually, anyone willing to know does already know what really happens there: the process is not controlled by law but by arbitrary monarchical, secret power, naturally systematic abuse is routinely practiced. Just like in the good old days of George the Third – I guess the American Revolution has finally ended.

Conservatives used to be quite firm on absolute moral values, no slippery slopes for them – they used also to believe that humankind is very apt to abuse power: the more absolute and uncontrolled that power is the worse the abuse. This was of course before this modern degradation of the ideology into justifying tax cuts for the wealthiest segment of the populations by any propagandistic means possible – winter’s primitive decadence is not only comical, it is also chilling. This is the evil force that led the USA to abandon the rule of law and destroy liberty to “defend” it.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3226/torture_by_another_name/

Finnish men are proud of Finnsh army and their own military service. Finnish women and foreigners living in this country envy this. Phil, apply quickly for Finnish citizenship, go to army and stop whining! Be man.

Yeah, right. When first asked for examples of this behavior, HOF could give none. Then they stated that Finns didn’t participate in the pride festival at Stockholm even when invited. What a shocker! Perhaps I should start my own nerd festival and invite all the important people there.

“anyone willing to know does already know what really happens there: the process is not controlled by law but by arbitrary monarchical, secret power, naturally systematic abuse is routinely practiced”

wow, this rand starts with “Nobody knows”, to well we all know the inmates are controlled by secret power.

Can you be more specific? This flip flopping is a john Kerry method of unhinged crying.

I guess the ones we released had all bad stories to tell.

Finland’s Military Sees Bush As ‘The Worst Terrorist Since Adolf Hitler’

Posted by Daniel Freedman
Fri, 4 Aug 2006 at 1:27 PM

A conscript to Finland’s military tells me that in a training lecture at boot camp the instructor told the recruits that President Bush is “the worst terrorist since Adolf Hitler.” Bin Laden and Bush were referred to as the “two idiots.”

During the presentation, the conscript tells me, the instructor “had pictures of Bin Laden, Bush and Saddam up next to each other.”

They were also told “along the lines of ‘we have israel and the US to thank for all the crises and wars in this world.’”

The recruit acknowledged he may be punished for telling me what happened behind closed doors on a military training camp, but said it was a “crime” for this to go on.

Finland holds the rotating presidency of the European Union.

We puts calls in to Finland’s Embassy in Washington and the European Union’s mission to Washington and are awaiting comment.

Finnish Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja, second right, speaks during a media conference after an emergency meeting of EU foreign ministers at the EU Council building in Brussels, Tuesday Aug. 1, 2006. European Union foreign ministers on Tuesday called on Israel and Hezbollah to agree to an “immediate cessation of hostilities” followed by international efforts to get agreement on a sustainable ceasefire. Seated left is EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana, and second right is EU Commissioner for External Relations Benita Ferrero Waldner. (AP Photo/Virginia Mayo)

Update: The press counsellor at the Embassy of Finland, Kristiina Helenius, tells me that it is “totally not typical” of the Finnish military, nor “part of the training.” They’re “very sorry this has happened.” She said Finland is “100% sure it’s just an individual.”

Update II: The conscript tells me that the pictures of Saddam, Bin Laden, and Bush were all on a powerpoint presentation. This makes it seem, he suggests, that it was endorsed by higher military authorities and regularly used. All this took place in a lecture on WMD.

http://www.itshinesforall.com/2006/08/finlands_milita.html

Hmm. This blog surely seems to write in a polemic tone. I do understand that the best way to stimulate discussion (ergo, the popularity of the site) is through controversy but come on, the visual appearance of the site gives a false promise of a higher quality stuff. You can do better than this!

winter, most of those held there are likely actually completely innocent. They had rewards during the Afghan war and the US allies grabbed and delivered any random bystanders, even minors that had nothing to do with Taliban or Al Qaida. The percentage of non-terrorists is probably close to 90-95%. But as they are in that legal limbo that is so important for “defending” “liberty”, their cases can’t be heard in court. That’s power without checks and balances. You wouldnt’ trust a government to run a post office or telephone box, winter, and still you believe that they should have this dictatorial power without any oversight, any intervening rule of law. This moral collapse, this moral surrender, is of course a huge bonus to the terrorists themselves and a huge moral defeat of the USA with no military value to counterbalance the loss of these abandoned, once proud and staunchly defended positions. Only George W. would be this stupid, this stubborn, this idiotic. This morally corrupt. All this, including the systematic prisoner abuse and torture, is well documented, well known – your talk of “Club Gitmo” is thus vile and immoral. You are probably stupid enough to believe the administration propaganda – even worse are those who know better and still distribute these disgusting lies.

“Again, Club Gitmo for retired terrorists is a nicer place than in your military.”

Do they get out every wednesday evening to piss off anarchists at pub Vakiopaine or to seek some…hmmmm…mature lovin’ at o’bar (pronounced ‘oh-bar’, also known as the zerobar.)

“Human Shield deployment to lebanon…”

I have to issue an early warning about a subject running dry. MoD is working on plans getting the boys home by the Christmas.

Oh man, this post cracked me up. And then I read a slew of angry comments from people who pointed out Darfur and Gitmo. And I quickly sobered up. What a bummer. I’m an American and Gitmo/Iraq/Darfur make me sick and ashamed…but I’m not sure if I see a connection between Swedish verbal attacks on Finnish military and Gitmo…does the fact that Phil is American, and America runs a camp at Gitmo make it Phil unqualified to comment on Fins/Gays/Swedes/Military Service/Homophobia? Get a grip people! Not every American is a gun-toting Bush lover! Some of us have other interests! Is it necessary to rub our noses in the failings of our government whenever we express an opinion about another country?

cupid stunt: yes, that is all true. Together with Irish, we are planning for land invasion of Kansas. There is a plenty of land available and our intelligence reports point out the fact those “native” beer-drinking population is no match for us Eskimos. Actually, it will be a “pintwalk”.

PS. Democracy for KANSAS or DEATH!

Well, I must say I disgarded quite automatically Phil’s customarily misleading, basically non-sensical post and answered winter’s disgusting joke about “Club Gitmo”. It was he who introduced the comparison. So, this has nothing to do with the fact that Phil is American (I believe he is not the biggest fan of the current administration anyway, along with ca 70% of his compatriots). I guess winter is American, though one might mistake him sometimes for being a 1930′s German. Actually “enhanced interrogation techniques” seems to be a direct translation of a similar Gestapo term – you learn from the masters.

#18- sit down mjr……….. CONGRATUALTIONS!!! Very well put in your post. You may be surprised to hear this from me but I could not agree more with you on this matter nor could have come close to saying it so well. As an Australian and supporter of PM Howard in all matters economic, I am embarrassed and confused about his endless and blind support for The US on this “war on terror.” The US treatment and ultimate release of David Hicks after a prearranged plea bargin only strengthened my opinion on this prison and war in general.
Once again, BRAVO. Very well put indeed.

“Get a grip people! Not every American is a gun-toting Bush lover!”

Well, not every German was a Nazi…now what Americans are doing to Iraqis is genocide, plain and simple. Over 500 000 Iraqis are dead, over two million refugees abroad and nobody even knows how many internal refugees. All fucked up totally. Now your fucked up president is talking about preemptively nuking Iran! Should I after that start shooting preemptively warmongering Americans ?

There has been a surge in volunteers for foreign missions in Sweden, but members of sexual minorities have been reluctant to join for fear of harassment by fellow soldiers.

If they’re so scared of mean fellow soldires, they sure as hell can’t hadle the enemy.

23: Yeah, strange to find an area of agreement – actually I would think it natural that free market enthusiasts, classical liberals and libertarians would be most critical of the current administration but curiously often that is not the case. (Well, the libertarians actually are in general quite critical of this deficit spending, pork loving administration.) As for the foreign policy and the Western alliance these past 6 years have been an unbelievable disaster, I wonder when we last saw such moral collapses, such weakness of character in the West – at Munich maybe…

Let’s count the mistakes in this post.

1. You force most of your country’s boys into the military fresh out of high school.

Not true. There are other options.

2. then you give them guns, beer, and little money

Beer is not given to conscripts.

3. out pops a bunch of bigoted homophobes

The news was about allegations of anti-gay bias. Nothing was said about bigoted homophobes, and nothing has been proven yet.

4. Clearly this Finnish brigade has no problem with homosexuality…

You want the reader to think these pictures depict the service in FDF, but you left out something important…

#20: Well, it’s said that finns are not very eager to accept criticism. Inability to face criticism is plainly obvious to anyone reading the comments here on fft. Whatever the subject is, it gets pretty quickly turned into “the situation is worse in country X so we have nothing to worry about” type of comments and USA bashing. USA bashing is very popular here. I think it’s partly envy, partly the desire to bash Phil’s country of origin and partly..oh, I dont know, refound nationalistic pride maybe. Many finns might have idolized USA and Americans after watching many American movies and TV series when they were kids and take it back later by mindless USA bashing.

That said, Phil’s (and the guest bloggers’) style of writing is quite provocative and even blinkered at times. I can see why he manages to upset some people. Factual errors are not exactly unheard of, either. What’s with giving the conscripts beer? If anything, they want to make obtaining beer harder in this country by raising alcohol taxes and limiting selling hours.

By the way, the first person to bring Gitmo into this was our resident troll winter who is an American.

MJR – “most of those held there are likely actually completely innocent. ”

are you that stupid to think we would waste any time on someone who was not of great interest?

Look, we don’t have those resources to waste here, most had guns in their hands, trying to kill our folks. No, think again shirlock, we don’t wast our time.

“now what Americans are doing to Iraqis is genocide, plain and simple. ”

HUH, so we should leave, and then what? Will you then take responsability for the million or so who would then die in a civil war?

I thought not, you have Bush to blame, not your own stupid ideas.

mh – For a nation that supposedly prides itself on it’s peacekeepers, one would think a rephrasing of local news wouldn’t be so easily provocative.

A bit late to comment, but:

The military (of any nation) is an organisation whose main purpose is to kill people effectively. Being a bastion of political correctness is not a very high priority. Since the Swedes haven’t had to fight a war in 190 years, it is understandable if they tend to concentrate on pride marches instead.

Now that we’re on the topic of political correctness in the military, we mustn’t forget the Krauts.

haven’t had to fight a war in 190 years

I meant to say 200 years. Wow, time flies.

Just think if the US mil would have compulsory military service! The Majority of USA Fighting men and Women are outstanding , proud patriotic citizens who did volunteer, But many since they or their parents could not at the moment afford them a college education or cannot find decent work after high school suddenly after 3 months of working at mcdonalds , find themselves being policeman in a hot, sweltering shitty,sandpile, 3d world country called iraq that hates them.In a compulsory military, As soon as the kids of ,wealthy,white, upper class parents started dying in Iraq, that war would have been over in a Texas second. Perhaps the US should go to compulsory service. There would probably be more serious thought into sending young people in harms way.

rick: So order to be an engineer in the US, being dirt poor, you have to go through Army?”. KRISTIAN AND PHIL, CARE TO COMMENT ON THAT?

Hmm, I have to say if Phil would have this slanted, faintly dishonest approach to Finland from a social democratic or social liberal angle I would not be much inclined to be here correcting factual errors and cultural misunderstandings. I would let conservative Finns do that and perhaps would offer some covering fire in defence of Phil instead. But as he is offering this skewed, overly politiziced angle from a point of view of an ideology that I happen to find most annoying and intellectually childish, namely libertarianism, I’m quite constantly here correcting the most glaring mistakes and criticizing the most obvious intellectual dishonesty. So, my motivation is certainly not nationalistic (not being a nationalist) but ideological. Now I would find that an obvious thing and bit strange that any disagreement with Phil is interpreted as being due to being Finnish – I mean wouldn’t that be, hmm, a bit condescending perhaps, even, well, racist…

“There would probably be more serious thought into sending young people in harms way.”

wow that European superior mindset again. Now if you all had an economic system that could support going to war, you just might have the balls to do so.

#29 Winter “most had guns in their hands, trying to kill our folks. No, think again shirlock, we don’t wast our time.”
And those that didn’t (David Hicks) were forced through hell for years until the charges were changed and modified so as to appear that an innocent man wasn’t held against international law and his will. Finally after breaking him down, his plea bargined and returned to his homeland for a further 6 months in prison. After that he’s released a free man. Wow, he must have been a real threat???
Winter, you my friend more than anything else are the reason why so many people across the road do despise The US. You arrogant and misinformed comments fuel hatered against your type and the generalisations you make are returned upon your countery and folk. I really pity you and all those like you for it makes defending aspects of US policy in other areas extremely difficult. TWIT

The Swedes are confused. Finns think uniformly *all* Swedes are gay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg

Hey winter, pass me the petroleum. I think the flames are not high enough.

Tim73: “rick: So order to be an engineer in the US, being dirt poor, you have to go through Army?”. KRISTIAN AND PHIL, CARE TO COMMENT ON THAT?”

Not true. If you are dirt poor, then university education is practically free in the US. That’s due to government grants. You’d need to cover living expenses though.

Military offers an easy way to cover those living expenses. But aside from that, many people join because it gives them direction at a young age—especially those in poor black areas, who might not have role models that work in private industry. Military is an all too easy choice for them.

However, military is definitely NOT the only way to do it. In my opinion, it’s probably a slower path overall. Another option would be to complete some vocational training (community college), get a practical job that’s part time, transfer the accumulated com. col. credits to university and resume studies.

But I guess if you like imperializing countries and killing people…or maybe you are too young to understand the politics behind what you’ll be asked to do…or you mistakenly believe your actions are somehow patriotic… Then US military would be the optimal choice.

hahahah, good going SUOMI, now this is the type of Fin bashing I like. when I agree with the Finns…hahaha
However a gay man going into a military is like a streight man going into the female side of the military. What a party he would have.
streight guy in female department.
gay man in male department. euuuu screw that. If you a lily, just stop looking and shut your trap.

Well, it’s said that finns are not very eager to accept criticism. Inability to face criticism is plainly obvious to anyone reading the comments here on fft. Whatever the subject is, it gets pretty quickly turned into “the situation is worse in country X so we have nothing to worry about” type of comments and USA bashing. USA bashing is very popular here. I think it’s partly envy, partly the desire to bash Phil’s country of origin and partly..oh, I dont know, refound nationalistic pride maybe.

Or maybe some people can’t handle it when their mistakes are pointed out and get all upset. It’s all part of having a conversation.

We are talking about the military here not a flower potting contest right? I’d be embarrased if Finnish soldiers would welcome with open arms crossdressers and homos amongst them.

Heh, I’m sure if americans get criticized for doing things the way they have done for 100 years or so, they will happily say thanks for the good observation and rush happily to fix the darn thing up.

If people are supposed to take criticism, then criticize them. If you shoot them by the hip instead, they’ll just shoot back.

Being honest, Finland is not very tolerant country. With foreigners, of course it’s obvious that a majority don’t like them and hold racist thoughts. With gay people, from what I hear here usually from many others, it’s extremely discouraged, made fun of, “hyi vittu”, etc. Any criticism of Finland, and you will be greeted with lots of mean nasty comments instead of discussion but of course not always. I don’t know but in the last years, it seems we’ve become a bit more uptight. But then again, winter seems longer every year even without the snow..

Yep, Finland is much less tolerant than Sweden for example and in many ways still an insular society. The debate over the word “neekeri” is a good example – opinions and prejudices that would not be seen as being in the mainstream in many Western countries can still be freely expressed here by even educated people. Of course that has nothing to do with Finland being a social democratic welfare state but is due to our small size, late industrialization and urbanization, not to mention fairly discouraging experiences of the outside world in the early and mid 20th century etc. etc.

It seems you didn’t get this as a joke :–D Idiots!

Well, “neekeri” was a neutral word until those damn foreigners came and declared it a racist word. I can understand the lakupekka (“black face”) candy wrapper debacle but this is a trickier one. Should we go tell the english speakers “russian” is a no-no as the word “ryssä” has negative connotations in finnish?

Here’s some state sponsored racism from the 1960s(?):
http://www.visakopu.net/visakopu_images/content/afrikan_neekeri.jpg

I think it is quite simple: it is now widely perceived to be negative whatever its innocent (and it wasn’t totally innocent really) past. So, we have to let it go. My heart doesn’t bleed at the thought.

Punter

wow you made my point, THE USA actually releases the innocent then? Good for us. Now check your UE prisions? Find any innocents? Yep they are full of them.

No, the USA has the bad guys, MR Attah who plannied 9/11 is there. So what do you want the USA to do with him?

Will you take him?

Not covered in the BBC, as it shows good results by the USA, but you can bet they cover Club Gitmo, retirement home for terrorists

“Iraqis are awakening, one very telling example can be seen in the ongoing operation in Diyala; members of the 1920 revolution brigades, once bitter enemies of the US military and Iraqi government are now assisting US and Iraqi military in fighting al-Qaeda even though the majority of the Iraqi soldiers and officers are Shia.
If the change in exclusively Sunni Anbar is good then the change in Diyala is good beyond words.”

From Iraq the model.

Isn’t “negro” equivalent to “neekeri”? That’s not offensive, right?

As a Finnish man, I do have to say that I unfortunately have very little respect for the Finnish military. It is an outmoded institution that only fuels the Finnish culture of homogeneity and intolerance. Let me outline a few issues I have with the system.

Some people in this thread have claimed that people have a choice when it comes to going to the military. This is technically true, but the only choices given are unarmed national service for 13 months or going to prison for six months. The shortest available military service period is six months. It is therefore obvious that the unarmed national service is a punitive measure.

From a civil liberties point of view, the Finnish system is outrageous. The fact that all Finnish men have to go through the system one way or the other is not something that should happen in a liberal and free Western society. Countless people in the Western world are shocked when they hear about the Finnish system. It is something that clearly belongs in the past.

Well, conscription is in force in many Western and liberal countries. The ideal is of a citizens’ army where the army is a national institution and the threashold for imperial adventures, for example, is higher as every section of the society will have to sacrifice and you can’t outsource actual fighting to only poor and brown skinned people like in some enthusiastically militaristic countries. This said, the ideal is often far from the reality, though I don’t know if it would be healthy to give weapons to only to those people who actively want them…. I found my time in the army a very good experience, but it can be a nasty place for sexual and I guess even racial minorities among others. Much depends on the individual unit where you serve.

#55-mjr, may I ask where, what and when did you serve? Never had you figured for a pro conscription person

Winter, tell me you don’t mean Mohammed Attah, so called planner and ring leader of 911? Now I thought that was Osama? Anyway, one of them is dead and the other is still walking around with a stick somewhere in the hills of Pakistan (or sunning himself on a beach in Florida.) Do you know which is which?
As for this prooving the system works, do you call 5 years od detention, torture, ridicule and interegation without access to lawyers, all without charge as a working system? Why would I ask that actually when I’m sure in your small mind that you’d yes it does. Why don’t you take a holiday to The UK and make it soon.

Oh, I was in Säkylä in the KrhK – I hated the service, naturally, not a most military of men, me, but the company (sorry for the pun…) was great, somehow very united in the face of shared hardship in a way that I haven’t really seen elsewhere. And people there really were from all walks of life with all sorts of backgrounds which was a strange but great experience. Of course that happened to be a very good unit and there were and are much worse ones. Anyway, I still approve of the idea of a citizens’ army though it might be that its time has passed – as it seems that the time of many good ideas has passed or is passing these sorry days.

Hah, hah, the story runs like a joke. I mean, a transvestite – and frustrated – Swedish officer yelling at a bunch of Finnish soldiers. “Ni jävla finnar, har ni inte tidigare sett en löjtnant i en kjol?” It’s like something from Petelius or somebody – if it wasn’t so non-PC.

Yeah, I’m sorry for being so intolerant, but as a typical Finnish male I deny the feminine side of myself. It’s an enemy within … whom I’m going to confront one of these days with my submachine gun.

The Swedish army can kick every other army’s ass when it comes to tolerance towards minorities.

Punter

I have to admit you got me. If loud music is torture, then the last concert I went to was it. If detention for the enemy, who has a gun in his hand is bad, then well you got me. If access to military lawyers is so bad, then when did any of them ever get released?

And if interegation that leads to a plot to have airplanes fly into buildings in Los Angeles is stopped, and some 3 000 saved, is so bad, maby you have the point here?

And if the world is so pure and golden as you say it is, they why did you EU types stand by in the Yugo war, watch over 8 000 folks march off to a machine gun? A single USA military Unit has never, never let that ever ever happen. In the entire Iraq war, with over a Million USA troups rotated into Iraq, less than 100 bad apples, is probably a record in history. We never say we are golden, but we come close.

No, me thinks you all are living in glass houses here. Our house is the one the UN calls, for some reason, you are not even asked.

We are not even not asked, we are not even ignored, winter, and maby we then build a sauna with a window so that we can see them coming …

This is really a homosexsual nation by all means !!! whats wrong ?

Was Fonlod a homosexsual criminal Rat ? Why is fonlond is the only nation with such number of Homosexsuals ? why is fonlond is the only nation support the crimes of Israel against the muslims ? why is fonlond provoked the war on Iraq years ago and is continuing support the genocidal regime and regimes in the middleast ? was eeeeeeeeeeeeRo the reason ?

Definitely fonlond is a filthy criminal Homosexsual Rat that, in one day or another, will be slaughted as a punishement for the crimes against Muslims nations. Althought, Al-Jazeera TV channel will provide Fonlond first aids. Qutar, in other hand, will provide more large stakes for homosexsuals of fonlond to treat their homosexsuality and their sorrowful faces.

Wreckage and nothing but wreckage that worth billions and then there will be a perfect agreement and solution. They way that your brain, fonlond, set that understand that way only.

Its nothing more than a filthy homosexsual criminal Rat that have been engaged in series of crimes on Muslims. However, since that Rat is Nazis-Zionists hole, it had got enough support to cover-up. So, the massive wreckage must be underway so that the cover-up is to be compeletly compeleted. After all, fonlond is a homosexsual criminal Rat that must be brought to its end.

I hope you understand that all those pictures where taken by soldiers as a joke and propably to make fun of swedish homos inthe army. Ps the us sucks im moving back to finland i cant stand homos and losers

I think you are all a bunch of closset queens; have you guys never read Dr. Freud?

Just why are you all so concerned about where other people stick their c**** ?