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		<title>By: Ohlson 28</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohlson 28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oregon &amp; Sunwind 31, did we meet at Hirvensalmi last weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oregon &amp; Sunwind 31, did we meet at Hirvensalmi last weekend?</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nr 66, It&#039;s interesting to note that there are no organisations of Swedish-speakers that are openly calling for discrimination against the Finnish speaking compatriots. Yet, there are organisations that openly are discriminatory against the Swedish speaking population. Of course, that does not necessary reflect opinion... it may just reflect numerical reality. As a minority, I think we know that sometimes we must just let some things go.

I am not going to deny that there are some Swedish speakers who do have prejudices against Finnish-speakers, but I think as a whole it is to a  far lesser degree than that amongst some Finnish speakers. Although having said that, I don&#039;t find that much prejudice amongst either language group.

I have mentioned it before, but there is a good book called Muukalainen Muumilaaksossa that is worth a read.

(PS I hope someone makes an entry on the Sipoo decision that has now been made by the government).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nr 66, It&#8217;s interesting to note that there are no organisations of Swedish-speakers that are openly calling for discrimination against the Finnish speaking compatriots. Yet, there are organisations that openly are discriminatory against the Swedish speaking population. Of course, that does not necessary reflect opinion&#8230; it may just reflect numerical reality. As a minority, I think we know that sometimes we must just let some things go.</p>
<p>I am not going to deny that there are some Swedish speakers who do have prejudices against Finnish-speakers, but I think as a whole it is to a  far lesser degree than that amongst some Finnish speakers. Although having said that, I don&#8217;t find that much prejudice amongst either language group.</p>
<p>I have mentioned it before, but there is a good book called Muukalainen Muumilaaksossa that is worth a read.</p>
<p>(PS I hope someone makes an entry on the Sipoo decision that has now been made by the government).</p>
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		<title>By: mjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>67 was from me - should I confess that I&#039;m quite a fan of &quot;pakkoruotsi&quot; also...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>67 was from me &#8211; should I confess that I&#8217;m quite a fan of &#8220;pakkoruotsi&#8221; also&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my personal observations are from the overwhelmingly Swedish speaking areas and a large proportion of the boaters too seem to be Swedish speaking. I have found them generally more easygoing than Finnish speaking Finns, but this doesn&#039;t make them saints of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my personal observations are from the overwhelmingly Swedish speaking areas and a large proportion of the boaters too seem to be Swedish speaking. I have found them generally more easygoing than Finnish speaking Finns, but this doesn&#8217;t make them saints of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; many of those happily waving people were Swedish speaking&lt;/i&gt;

This is so unrealistic comment that I doubt you&#039;ve ever been out there. Finnish speakers outnumber Swedish ones by - what - something like 1 to 50. In places like Rymättylä, Kakskerta, Kuusisto and so on even more. 

Even if only the permanent residents are counted the archipelago is slightly more Finnish than Swedish. But naturally in the summer the place is full of Suomi-poika - you know those sullen drunkards who don&#039;t know how to piss in a boat. Come to think of it, they belong to an altogether different race, as you pointed out, which is incapable of adopting the civilized life style which so well describes certain Swedish-speaking kids in places like Pargas (but remember to avoid those who carry a baseball bat and are looking for somebody to take a swing at). 

Then again, after having spent about every summer on the archipelago, it&#039;s really strange, taking into account how friendly they are, that it&#039;s usually the Swedish-speaking neighbors who you will not get to know. Perhaps they just don&#039;t want to get involved with the lower species unless they can do it by waving from a distance. And I&#039;m not kidding, it seems that the last outpost of the Swedish racism in Finland lingers on there, among the few remaining local rednecks. One of our neighbors held a grudge against - not only us Ugrics - but also against those Vikings who had sold land to us.

By the way, the ferry to Nauvo carries more passengers over in a year than there are pilgrims to Mecca. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> many of those happily waving people were Swedish speaking</i></p>
<p>This is so unrealistic comment that I doubt you&#8217;ve ever been out there. Finnish speakers outnumber Swedish ones by &#8211; what &#8211; something like 1 to 50. In places like Rymättylä, Kakskerta, Kuusisto and so on even more. </p>
<p>Even if only the permanent residents are counted the archipelago is slightly more Finnish than Swedish. But naturally in the summer the place is full of Suomi-poika &#8211; you know those sullen drunkards who don&#8217;t know how to piss in a boat. Come to think of it, they belong to an altogether different race, as you pointed out, which is incapable of adopting the civilized life style which so well describes certain Swedish-speaking kids in places like Pargas (but remember to avoid those who carry a baseball bat and are looking for somebody to take a swing at). </p>
<p>Then again, after having spent about every summer on the archipelago, it&#8217;s really strange, taking into account how friendly they are, that it&#8217;s usually the Swedish-speaking neighbors who you will not get to know. Perhaps they just don&#8217;t want to get involved with the lower species unless they can do it by waving from a distance. And I&#8217;m not kidding, it seems that the last outpost of the Swedish racism in Finland lingers on there, among the few remaining local rednecks. One of our neighbors held a grudge against &#8211; not only us Ugrics &#8211; but also against those Vikings who had sold land to us.</p>
<p>By the way, the ferry to Nauvo carries more passengers over in a year than there are pilgrims to Mecca. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Every boat waved to one another, even the people on the shore waved. Of course they were all drunk&lt;/i&gt;

A friendly advise: don&#039;t get drunk if you&#039;re steering a boat, during Juhannus in particular, or the police could get you. The limit is somewhere around less than five-six beers for a male of your size (I suppose). Two percent of the Finnish boaters according to the police statistics fail to meet the criterion. The result can be surprising; you can even get your drivers license canceled. The rest of the &quot;crew&quot; can naturally be as drunk as they like, unless the skipper tells them not to. And he probably will - in a sailing boat in particular. If he doesn&#039;t he&#039;s not really up to his task, in my humble opinion.

The tiresome habit of waving to everybody has nothing to do with alcohol, though. Motorcyclists do the same, by the way. And I don&#039;t think they&#039;re all drunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Every boat waved to one another, even the people on the shore waved. Of course they were all drunk</i></p>
<p>A friendly advise: don&#8217;t get drunk if you&#8217;re steering a boat, during Juhannus in particular, or the police could get you. The limit is somewhere around less than five-six beers for a male of your size (I suppose). Two percent of the Finnish boaters according to the police statistics fail to meet the criterion. The result can be surprising; you can even get your drivers license canceled. The rest of the &#8220;crew&#8221; can naturally be as drunk as they like, unless the skipper tells them not to. And he probably will &#8211; in a sailing boat in particular. If he doesn&#8217;t he&#8217;s not really up to his task, in my humble opinion.</p>
<p>The tiresome habit of waving to everybody has nothing to do with alcohol, though. Motorcyclists do the same, by the way. And I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re all drunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Get rid of Alko, Autovero, etc. and maybe IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll take your advice by starting a company and underpricing them all. If someone else doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t beat me to it.&lt;/i&gt;

Kristian, there are those who do and those who talk. Libertarians tend to fall to the latter category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Get rid of Alko, Autovero, etc. and maybe IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll take your advice by starting a company and underpricing them all. If someone else doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t beat me to it.</i></p>
<p>Kristian, there are those who do and those who talk. Libertarians tend to fall to the latter category.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>62: We would like nothing better than to leave Kristian alone. Unfortunately, he doesn&#039;t seem to want to let us leave him alone.

I have to say, this forum is almost as fun as the sfnet.keskustelu.evoluutio newsgroup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>62: We would like nothing better than to leave Kristian alone. Unfortunately, he doesn&#8217;t seem to want to let us leave him alone.</p>
<p>I have to say, this forum is almost as fun as the sfnet.keskustelu.evoluutio newsgroup.</p>
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		<title>By: communists</title>
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		<dc:creator>communists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communists cant handle the truth. Grow some balls boys and leave Kristian alone. Poor fuckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communists cant handle the truth. Grow some balls boys and leave Kristian alone. Poor fuckers.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with David in comment 60. It&#039;s making it all a bit boring and repetitive of late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with David in comment 60. It&#8217;s making it all a bit boring and repetitive of late.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FFT pattern of late - Phil finds something genuinely nice to say about Finland and it is usually an interesting read until winter sets in for some arbitrary comments, and Kristian&#039;s compulsion on bashing the tax system.

That aside. Phil, is there a photo-gallery? Surely you took more than one photo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FFT pattern of late &#8211; Phil finds something genuinely nice to say about Finland and it is usually an interesting read until winter sets in for some arbitrary comments, and Kristian&#8217;s compulsion on bashing the tax system.</p>
<p>That aside. Phil, is there a photo-gallery? Surely you took more than one photo?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

People by boats for the same reason some mad people buy expensive cars with no roof, no heating, no padded seats, no windscreen and over 300bhp/ton that they can only use a few months a year... cos they want to have some fun :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>People by boats for the same reason some mad people buy expensive cars with no roof, no heating, no padded seats, no windscreen and over 300bhp/ton that they can only use a few months a year&#8230; cos they want to have some fun <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: winter Ã¢â‚¬Å“Yea, Proton Power, now in remissionÃ¢â‚¬Â</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter Ã¢â‚¬Å“Yea, Proton Power, now in remissionÃ¢â‚¬Â</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I frankly donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to hear your advice about what to do with the weed whacker. Ã¢â‚¬Å“(IRAN)&quot;

naw, Iran is your problem, I did see a note that the best selling item in Germany right now, is a Nuke Bomb shelter.

Any one want to tell us why? It is so safe to be near Iran, I hear. Your best friends, I hear. You are supporting them in Lebanon, I hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I frankly donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to hear your advice about what to do with the weed whacker. Ã¢â‚¬Å“(IRAN)&#8221;</p>
<p>naw, Iran is your problem, I did see a note that the best selling item in Germany right now, is a Nuke Bomb shelter.</p>
<p>Any one want to tell us why? It is so safe to be near Iran, I hear. Your best friends, I hear. You are supporting them in Lebanon, I hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave the Slave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave the Slave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Heck even Drudge is now beeting the BBC in on line ratings.&quot; - winturd

And what, exactly, are &#039;online ratings,&#039; peenis breath?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Heck even Drudge is now beeting the BBC in on line ratings.&#8221; &#8211; winturd</p>
<p>And what, exactly, are &#8216;online ratings,&#8217; peenis breath?</p>
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		<title>By: pi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>34. Here you go again, Punter liar and fool - &quot;&lt;i&gt;I hardly see executive series cars on the streets of Finland let alone Italian, British or German sportscars. &lt;/i&gt;&quot; &amp; 39. &quot;&lt;i&gt;Now all those fine cars (no, an E series, 500 series and Toyota Avensis are NOT exec cars) must fly by while IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m working. As for Italian/German sports cars thereÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ &lt;/i&gt; (I doubt you are trying to make the point that even though don&#039;t see them, you trust that these cars exist in Finland)

Are you going to promise to buy me one of these cars that you suggest don&#039;t exist in Finland if I show you it does? 

You do have a title and reputation as a blustering, gloating, liar and fool earned by shooting off cocksure comments to pump up your aura of worldiness and making flamboyant offers you didn&#039;t intend to keep. 

Maybe you could try redeem a little credibility - make (and then keep) this offer and slough off a bit of the stench of dishonesty hanging over you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>34. Here you go again, Punter liar and fool &#8211; &#8220;<i>I hardly see executive series cars on the streets of Finland let alone Italian, British or German sportscars. </i>&#8221; &amp; 39. &#8220;<i>Now all those fine cars (no, an E series, 500 series and Toyota Avensis are NOT exec cars) must fly by while IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m working. As for Italian/German sports cars thereÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ </i> (I doubt you are trying to make the point that even though don&#8217;t see them, you trust that these cars exist in Finland)</p>
<p>Are you going to promise to buy me one of these cars that you suggest don&#8217;t exist in Finland if I show you it does? </p>
<p>You do have a title and reputation as a blustering, gloating, liar and fool earned by shooting off cocksure comments to pump up your aura of worldiness and making flamboyant offers you didn&#8217;t intend to keep. </p>
<p>Maybe you could try redeem a little credibility &#8211; make (and then keep) this offer and slough off a bit of the stench of dishonesty hanging over you.</p>
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