Comments on: Ostovoima: Low purchasing power for the highly educated in Finland http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Zack http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-4/#comment-379255 Zack Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:13:48 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-379255 While Finland's taxes are obviously a disincentive to efficiency and productivity, you should remember that if taxes go to far in opposite direction(less taxes), wages will fall and the price of land will go up, making it difficult for lower income families to afford to live near job opportunites and less extreme winters in the south. When the wealthy get too much money, they start buying up all the land. When taxes go up, workers start demanding more. When taxes go down, workers compete with eachother and are willing to work for less, since they get to keep more of their gross pay. Also, Finland is much more of a "frontier economy" than the rest of Europe and there is more land available, so Finland could likely benefit by being a little less socialistic and putting less restraint on free enterprise. In other words, capitalism is the best system in places with lots of opportunity, but in more established places with less opportunity, socialism is needed to distribute money to lower income people, since land becomes less available and more expensive, and since there are too many workers and not enough good jobs. While Finland’s taxes are obviously a disincentive to efficiency and productivity, you should remember that if taxes go to far in opposite direction(less taxes), wages will fall and the price of land will go up, making it difficult for lower income families to afford to live near job opportunites and less extreme winters in the south. When the wealthy get too much money, they start buying up all the land. When taxes go up, workers start demanding more. When taxes go down, workers compete with eachother and are willing to work for less, since they get to keep more of their gross pay.
Also, Finland is much more of a “frontier economy” than the rest of Europe and there is more land available, so Finland could likely benefit by being a little less socialistic and putting less restraint on free enterprise. In other words, capitalism is the best system in places with lots of opportunity, but in more established places with less opportunity, socialism is needed to distribute money to lower income people, since land becomes less available and more expensive, and since there are too many workers and not enough good jobs.

]]> By: Nepal http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-4/#comment-371956 Nepal Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:15:58 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-371956 Hai, it was true that you spooke about finland vat and ... But not only vat for food, there is lot of point of view you can see, I mean that every where is such kinds of risk you need to floow. Nepal is such country where you can get love and kind of help that you never fee anywhere. Thanks Hai,
it was true that you spooke about finland vat and …
But not only vat for food, there is lot of point of view you can see, I mean that every where is such kinds of risk you need to floow.
Nepal is such country where you can get love and kind of help that you never fee anywhere.

Thanks

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-4/#comment-330863 Punter Sun, 06 May 2007 18:59:11 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330863 Sorry if you have misunderstood Thomas but those last points were in no way directed at you. They were directed at the poster using the amazingly popular title of "anonymous" just before you. Though we have had differing opinions in the past (and I'm sure in the future too) I have generally found your opinions interesting and not full of personal attacks and they are always welcome. As for winter, yes I agree with you on that one. It's just a pity that inters do seem to drag on here in Finland sometimes ;) Hope that clears the matter for you. Sorry if you have misunderstood Thomas but those last points were in no way directed at you. They were directed at the poster using the amazingly popular title of “anonymous” just before you. Though we have had differing opinions in the past (and I’m sure in the future too) I have generally found your opinions interesting and not full of personal attacks and they are always welcome.
As for winter, yes I agree with you on that one. It’s just a pity that inters do seem to drag on here in Finland sometimes ;)
Hope that clears the matter for you.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-4/#comment-330860 Thomas Sun, 06 May 2007 15:49:35 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330860 Punter: "As I side point, it shits me even more when people will say stupid things (anon in other post re “Sydney, Cronulla, Redfern race riots”) they have no knowledge in and when proven to be incorrect just vanish into thin air." I've lived in Finland all my life. I have never commented the “Sydney, Cronulla, Redfern race riots”, whatever they are. Yet you seem keen on critisising much of what I say, yet winter goes uncommented?????? Punter:

“As I side point, it shits me even more when people will say stupid things (anon in other post re “Sydney, Cronulla, Redfern race riots”) they have no knowledge in and when proven to be incorrect just vanish into thin air.”

I’ve lived in Finland all my life. I have never commented the “Sydney, Cronulla, Redfern race riots”, whatever they are. Yet you seem keen on critisising much of what I say, yet winter goes uncommented??????

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330847 Punter Sun, 06 May 2007 10:33:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330847 Yes Thomas, I agree. The difference being that I have LIVED here for 14 years and as such, I think I have some knowledge of and right to criticize things here. Don't you agree? As I side point, it shits me even more when people will say stupid things (anon in other post re "Sydney, Cronulla, Redfern race riots") they have no knowledge in and when proven to be incorrect just vanish into thin air. (with egg on their face) Yes Thomas, I agree. The difference being that I have LIVED here for 14 years and as such, I think I have some knowledge of and right to criticize things here. Don’t you agree?
As I side point, it shits me even more when people will say stupid things (anon in other post re “Sydney, Cronulla, Redfern race riots”) they have no knowledge in and when proven to be incorrect just vanish into thin air. (with egg on their face)

]]> By: Thomas http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330822 Thomas Sat, 05 May 2007 21:37:52 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330822 punter: "Theo only problem I have here is when people criticize Australia and generalize and shoot out “facts” with little or no knowledge of the truth (apart from that available from Wikipedia) and then when pressed fail to deliver any evidence." Like this hasn't been seen in comments on Finland in this blog - day in, day out????? punter:

“Theo only problem I have here is when people criticize Australia and generalize and shoot out “facts” with little or no knowledge of the truth (apart from that available from Wikipedia) and then when pressed fail to deliver any evidence.”

Like this hasn’t been seen in comments on Finland in this blog – day in, day out?????

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330685 Punter Thu, 03 May 2007 18:50:14 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330685 Still looking for Redfern, Cronulla and Sydney here are you idiot? Still looking for Redfern, Cronulla and Sydney here are you idiot?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330670 Anonymous Thu, 03 May 2007 17:01:37 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330670 "I have here is when people criticize Australia and generalize and shoot out “facts” with little or no knowledge of the truth (apart from that available from Wikipedia) and then when pressed fail to deliver any evidence." Speaking about yourself there. Get a fucking mirror dude and take a long look of yourself. “I have here is when people criticize Australia and generalize and shoot out “facts” with little or no knowledge of the truth (apart from that available from Wikipedia) and then when pressed fail to deliver any evidence.”

Speaking about yourself there. Get a fucking mirror dude and take a long look of yourself.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330662 Anonymous Thu, 03 May 2007 16:24:35 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330662 <i>I love a good debate</i> Hah, hah. You love to bitch about Finland on false premises, and you dismiss every fact that is favorable for Finland, and you get very angry if somebody does the same with Australia. In short, you're a hypocrite. The funny thing to watch here, from afar, is that you don't know it, you don't have clue about yourself. It's a bit frightening too. I love a good debate

Hah, hah. You love to bitch about Finland on false premises, and you dismiss every fact that is favorable for Finland, and you get very angry if somebody does the same with Australia. In short, you’re a hypocrite. The funny thing to watch here, from afar, is that you don’t know it, you don’t have clue about yourself. It’s a bit frightening too.

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330651 Punter Thu, 03 May 2007 15:09:13 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330651 As I have always said (including on this site) I am free to leave with my family anytime and the day we decide that is what's best for us then we shall. In the meantime as a tax paying law abiding resident of Finland that has spent a long time learning the culture and establishing relationships here, I feel free and justified to give my opinion on things AS I SEE THEM.If anyone wishes to debate Australia r discuss aspects of Australian life then I've always been happy to match the good with the bad from "home." Theo only problem I have here is when people criticize Australia and generalize and shoot out "facts" with little or no knowledge of the truth (apart from that available from Wikipedia) and then when pressed fail to deliver any evidence. Ask me about my opinions on numerous Australian "wonders", water management, gun control, energy politics, environmental matters, use of speed cameras for revenue raising etc etc etc and you will find a very unhappy citizen. Talk to me about racist Australians, a lower standard of living, a wasteland in the middle of nowhere or a less than strong performing economy and you'll get a fight. I love a good debate and value freedom of speech but to be ignorant of truths and ready to personally attack people on matters you know nothing about is just ridiculous. Luckly, the majority of people here are more than reasonable and although opinions vary, all are respected and commented on. And then there's "anonymous"........ As I have always said (including on this site) I am free to leave with my family anytime and the day we decide that is what’s best for us then we shall. In the meantime as a tax paying law abiding resident of Finland that has spent a long time learning the culture and establishing relationships here, I feel free and justified to give my opinion on things AS I SEE THEM.If anyone wishes to debate Australia r discuss aspects of Australian life then I’ve always been happy to match the good with the bad from “home.” Theo only problem I have here is when people criticize Australia and generalize and shoot out “facts” with little or no knowledge of the truth (apart from that available from Wikipedia) and then when pressed fail to deliver any evidence.
Ask me about my opinions on numerous Australian “wonders”, water management, gun control, energy politics, environmental matters, use of speed cameras for revenue raising etc etc etc and you will find a very unhappy citizen. Talk to me about racist Australians, a lower standard of living, a wasteland in the middle of nowhere or a less than strong performing economy and you’ll get a fight.
I love a good debate and value freedom of speech but to be ignorant of truths and ready to personally attack people on matters you know nothing about is just ridiculous. Luckly, the majority of people here are more than reasonable and although opinions vary, all are respected and commented on. And then there’s “anonymous”……..

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330647 Anonymous Thu, 03 May 2007 14:54:46 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330647 "whats the point in hanging around bitching about taxes and Gdp in a country you anyways plan to leave or apparently got stuck in?" Exactly, if the bad outweights the good in your personal life then there is no point in staying and pissing others of with your semi-factual and non-factual complaints “whats the point in hanging around bitching about taxes and Gdp in a country you anyways plan to leave or apparently got stuck in?”

Exactly, if the bad outweights the good in your personal life then there is no point in staying and pissing others of with your semi-factual and non-factual complaints

]]> By: Craig http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330634 Craig Thu, 03 May 2007 12:36:51 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330634 Hehe funny little bitchslapping catfight going on I see.. ;) To add insult to injury, i have an opinion or two to add.. First of all, any GDP does not matter if you yourself make the wrong choices. Secondly, born canadian and havin lived in holland i can tell you that it really depends on yourself. If driving a big new car and drinking lots of beer and smoking is the bag you are into, then you are probably better off in Australia. But if you value calm peaceful safe living and you dont get depressed too easily you might be better of in Finland. In any case, i guarantee you that for example in Holland you pay more (municipal-, road- and salary-) taxes even though retail prices are cheaper. Canada however is up there without the sandy hot beaches on an island, but on the other hand they do not have to deal with scores of refugees trying to reach your shores by boat by the thousands. See here the big dilemma for the well educated.. Comparing GDP is numerical, how everyone else feels about it is irrelevant. Fact is that finnish society is a strong collective force in economic terms and it has the balance sheet to prove it. I disagree with finnish produce being of poor quality, instead i would never buy any food from Lidle as it is full of artificial additives. Also prices outside of Metropolitan area are much lower. But maybe that's because I like fresh vegetables, potatoes and fish, water and air. It keeps the mind healthy and sharp; a prerequisite to earn a decent salary or run a healthy business. Finland might not be as laid back as Australia or as grandiose as Canada or as multicultural as Holland, but it has perfectly well-functioning airports to fly you anywhere you wish to go.. whats the point in hanging around bitching about taxes and Gdp in a country you anyways plan to leave or apparently got stuck in? Hehe funny little bitchslapping catfight going on I see.. ;) To add insult to injury, i have an opinion or two to add.. First of all, any GDP does not matter if you yourself make the wrong choices. Secondly, born canadian and havin lived in holland i can tell you that it really depends on yourself. If driving a big new car and drinking lots of beer and smoking is the bag you are into, then you are probably better off in Australia. But if you value calm peaceful safe living and you dont get depressed too easily you might be better of in Finland. In any case, i guarantee you that for example in Holland you pay more (municipal-, road- and salary-) taxes even though retail prices are cheaper. Canada however is up there without the sandy hot beaches on an island, but on the other hand they do not have to deal with scores of refugees trying to reach your shores by boat by the thousands. See here the big dilemma for the well educated.. Comparing GDP is numerical, how everyone else feels about it is irrelevant. Fact is that finnish society is a strong collective force in economic terms and it has the balance sheet to prove it. I disagree with finnish produce being of poor quality, instead i would never buy any food from Lidle as it is full of artificial additives. Also prices outside of Metropolitan area are much lower. But maybe that’s because I like fresh vegetables, potatoes and fish, water and air. It keeps the mind healthy and sharp; a prerequisite to earn a decent salary or run a healthy business. Finland might not be as laid back as Australia or as grandiose as Canada or as multicultural as Holland, but it has perfectly well-functioning airports to fly you anywhere you wish to go.. whats the point in hanging around bitching about taxes and Gdp in a country you anyways plan to leave or apparently got stuck in?

]]> By: Punter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330630 Punter Thu, 03 May 2007 11:25:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330630 Why don't you stop using a tag like "anonymous" and use a unique name that be easily followed? At least I would then know if there ws only 1 or and entire family of morons.... Can you not answer my questions? Check out our tourism and where are all of these aboriginie massacres details you were going to show? You criticize but never deliver any proof. Why don’t you stop using a tag like “anonymous” and use a unique name that be easily followed? At least I would then know if there ws only 1 or and entire family of morons….
Can you not answer my questions? Check out our tourism and where are all of these aboriginie massacres details you were going to show? You criticize but never deliver any proof.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330584 Anonymous Thu, 03 May 2007 06:38:06 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330584 <i>As for the tourism FACTS, look it up.</i> Yep, you've been smoking something alright. As for the tourism FACTS, look it up.

Yep, you’ve been smoking something alright.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/comment-page-3/#comment-330583 Anonymous Thu, 03 May 2007 06:24:39 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/28/ostovoima-low-purchasing-power-for-highly-educated-in-finland/#comment-330583 <i>Harshness of the land moron.</i> What's a "land moron". You write amazingly poor English for an "Australian". Harshness of the land moron.

What’s a “land moron”. You write amazingly poor English for an “Australian”.

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