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		<title>By: s. tanger</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329347</link>
		<dc:creator>s. tanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@31: No, the Finnish limit for drunk-driving is lax (0,5 promille) so that the yous and mes can still drive after negligible amount of drinking. But Vapaavuori&#039;s 0,9 is twice that. It&#039;s a serious crime and not everyone would do it, rest assured. What&#039;s more, it&#039;s Vapaavuori himself who is soo high and mighty as he always is demanding tougher sanctions, yet has such a criminal record himself. The assaults done as teenager can certainly be forgiven, though not forgotten, after these two decades, but the recent drunken driving can not be. And here&#039;s the Kokoomus double standard again: one of their actually intelligent politicians, Sirpa Pietikäinen, lost her career for drunk driving - when she moved her car a few meters in a parking place! Yet when this tough-talking male commits offenses far worse, you are telling us that &quot;oh, it&#039;s nothing, everyone could do the same&quot;. Sad, really, and scarily somewhat similar to the whole mess of Tony Halme.

@35 &amp; @37: It&#039;s 170 000 euros in official documents, so 1 million markkaa; Hesari seems to have made a big mistake in that article understating the offence:

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/viranomaiset/foka/2002/20021723

This kind of stuff tends to happen to Kokoomus politicians. Remember Jyri&#039;s older brother, Kari Häkämies, and his sentence for assault and grievous bodily injury among others. And he had been both Interior Minister and - of course - Justice Minister...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@31: No, the Finnish limit for drunk-driving is lax (0,5 promille) so that the yous and mes can still drive after negligible amount of drinking. But Vapaavuori&#8217;s 0,9 is twice that. It&#8217;s a serious crime and not everyone would do it, rest assured. What&#8217;s more, it&#8217;s Vapaavuori himself who is soo high and mighty as he always is demanding tougher sanctions, yet has such a criminal record himself. The assaults done as teenager can certainly be forgiven, though not forgotten, after these two decades, but the recent drunken driving can not be. And here&#8217;s the Kokoomus double standard again: one of their actually intelligent politicians, Sirpa Pietikäinen, lost her career for drunk driving &#8211; when she moved her car a few meters in a parking place! Yet when this tough-talking male commits offenses far worse, you are telling us that &#8220;oh, it&#8217;s nothing, everyone could do the same&#8221;. Sad, really, and scarily somewhat similar to the whole mess of Tony Halme.</p>
<p>@35 &amp; @37: It&#8217;s 170 000 euros in official documents, so 1 million markkaa; Hesari seems to have made a big mistake in that article understating the offence:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.finlex.fi/fi/viranomaiset/foka/2002/20021723" rel="nofollow">http://www.finlex.fi/fi/viranomaiset/foka/2002/20021723</a></p>
<p>This kind of stuff tends to happen to Kokoomus politicians. Remember Jyri&#8217;s older brother, Kari Häkämies, and his sentence for assault and grievous bodily injury among others. And he had been both Interior Minister and &#8211; of course &#8211; Justice Minister&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18

I love the hand gesture in that pic. It&#039;s very telling about him</description>
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<p>I love the hand gesture in that pic. It&#8217;s very telling about him</p>
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		<title>By: Monumental Asshole</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329227</link>
		<dc:creator>Monumental Asshole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(The Swedish-speakers have only a handful of MPs yet two ministerial positions!)&quot;

That sounds like &quot;bitch bitch bitch&quot; to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(The Swedish-speakers have only a handful of MPs yet two ministerial positions!)&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds like &#8220;bitch bitch bitch&#8221; to me.</p>
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		<title>By: majava</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329223</link>
		<dc:creator>majava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From wiki: &lt;i&gt;kun Ilta-Sanomat paljasti hänen myöntäneen 170 000 euron avustukset Sankivaaran golfkeskukselle, ...&lt;/i&gt;

So what is it? 17 or 170k? 
Anyways, she did something wrong, resigned because of that and now she&#039;s back in the same job. That&#039;s a clear sign of what kind of people we&#039;re dealing with in this new government. Also S-L Anttila is not to be trusted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From wiki: <i>kun Ilta-Sanomat paljasti hänen myöntäneen 170 000 euron avustukset Sankivaaran golfkeskukselle, &#8230;</i></p>
<p>So what is it? 17 or 170k?<br />
Anyways, she did something wrong, resigned because of that and now she&#8217;s back in the same job. That&#8217;s a clear sign of what kind of people we&#8217;re dealing with in this new government. Also S-L Anttila is not to be trusted!</p>
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		<title>By: prince of dorkness</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329210</link>
		<dc:creator>prince of dorkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t kill yourself yet, Hank, wait a bit. There&#039;s good things on the way: http://www.papa.partio.fi/index.php?ryhma=1&amp;sivu=3881</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t kill yourself yet, Hank, wait a bit. There&#8217;s good things on the way: <a href="http://www.papa.partio.fi/index.php?ryhma=1&#038;sivu=3881" rel="nofollow">http://www.papa.partio.fi/index.php?ryhma=1&#038;sivu=3881</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ville</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;resigned from her position some years ago when she gave 1 million of your tax money to her golf club&quot;
100.000 FIM  = 17.000e

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Apulaisoikeuskansleri+Lind%C3%A9nin+saama+huomautus+ei+est%C3%A4+ministeriytt%C3%A4/1135226638347</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;resigned from her position some years ago when she gave 1 million of your tax money to her golf club&#8221;<br />
100.000 FIM  = 17.000e</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Apulaisoikeuskansleri+Lind%C3%A9nin+saama+huomautus+ei+est%C3%A4+ministeriytt%C3%A4/1135226638347" rel="nofollow">http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Apulaisoikeuskansleri+Lind%C3%A9nin+saama+huomautus+ei+est%C3%A4+ministeriytt%C3%A4/1135226638347</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pave</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329194</link>
		<dc:creator>Pave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to sound like an ultrafeminist or anything but why is Phil trying to find another bimbo-minister here? They all seem qualified and if he&#039;s just shooting in the dark then why not hypothesize about male bimbos (mimbos) too?

Anyway, I could never in my wildest nightmares have thought of such a hideous line-up as Kanerva and Väyrynen. Gonna be an interesting term...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound like an ultrafeminist or anything but why is Phil trying to find another bimbo-minister here? They all seem qualified and if he&#8217;s just shooting in the dark then why not hypothesize about male bimbos (mimbos) too?</p>
<p>Anyway, I could never in my wildest nightmares have thought of such a hideous line-up as Kanerva and Väyrynen. Gonna be an interesting term&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Plasma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plasma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paavo FOR THE WIN!!!

He&#039;s really experienced politician and a minister. He has just become a clown of the nation, mostly because of the media. People tend to taunt him even when they know NOTHING about his accomplishments. Every little mistake is remembered ofcourse. He&#039;s become a joke without real reason.

I guess someone is going to list them now again. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paavo FOR THE WIN!!!</p>
<p>He&#8217;s really experienced politician and a minister. He has just become a clown of the nation, mostly because of the media. People tend to taunt him even when they know NOTHING about his accomplishments. Every little mistake is remembered ofcourse. He&#8217;s become a joke without real reason.</p>
<p>I guess someone is going to list them now again. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kristian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329184</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Minister of Social Affairs and Health - Liisa Hyssälä?? (God I hope this prediction is wrong, sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s pure evil)&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Speaking of health (heh, pardon my lame segue to a self-serving question)....

I&#039;m looking for laser dentistry.  So far, I&#039;ve only found one facility in Helsinki (laseri.fi) and it&#039;s busy until October. I found several in tiny little Estonia though. 

Anyone know of any laser dentists near Helsinki?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Minister of Social Affairs and Health &#8211; Liisa Hyssälä?? (God I hope this prediction is wrong, sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s pure evil)</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Speaking of health (heh, pardon my lame segue to a self-serving question)&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking for laser dentistry.  So far, I&#8217;ve only found one facility in Helsinki (laseri.fi) and it&#8217;s busy until October. I found several in tiny little Estonia though. </p>
<p>Anyone know of any laser dentists near Helsinki?</p>
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		<title>By: RUaskingY? Ike&#38;MattiRgr8m8s</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329180</link>
		<dc:creator>RUaskingY? Ike&#38;MattiRgr8m8s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30. No.. That&#039;s more of a cheap shot. The assault was as a teenager, the shoplifting thing I&#039;m not sure about, and the 0.9 drink-driving could be anyone of you or me, however high and mighty we might want to sound on some crummy message board. If you want to pick a fight with Vapaavuori, grumble at his &quot;give me the land or I&#039;ll hit you&quot; stance over Sipoo, or worry that he&#039;s dangerously close to the far right of the party. 

People&#039;s actions in office that are either not in the best interests of the country (many of Paavo&#039;s tricks from the past, including the famed Vladimirov incident) or that betray the trust of the voters by lapses of honesty (LindÃƒÂ©n, Juhantalo, et al) are to my mind far greater sins than some youthful follies a la Vapaavuori. There but for the grace of God go quite many teenagers. Even YOU.  

...and I don&#039;t even LIKE Vapaavuori.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30. No.. That&#8217;s more of a cheap shot. The assault was as a teenager, the shoplifting thing I&#8217;m not sure about, and the 0.9 drink-driving could be anyone of you or me, however high and mighty we might want to sound on some crummy message board. If you want to pick a fight with Vapaavuori, grumble at his &#8220;give me the land or I&#8217;ll hit you&#8221; stance over Sipoo, or worry that he&#8217;s dangerously close to the far right of the party. </p>
<p>People&#8217;s actions in office that are either not in the best interests of the country (many of Paavo&#8217;s tricks from the past, including the famed Vladimirov incident) or that betray the trust of the voters by lapses of honesty (LindÃƒÂ©n, Juhantalo, et al) are to my mind far greater sins than some youthful follies a la Vapaavuori. There but for the grace of God go quite many teenagers. Even YOU.  </p>
<p>&#8230;and I don&#8217;t even LIKE Vapaavuori.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget Vapaavuori with his rap sheet. Does the qualifications for minister position require criminal record?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget Vapaavuori with his rap sheet. Does the qualifications for minister position require criminal record?</p>
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		<title>By: a lamb with no guiding light</title>
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		<dc:creator>a lamb with no guiding light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Väyrynen pick is pretty darn bad. The man is utterly insufferable and liable to go off the reservation on EU and NATO. Why on earth would Vanhanen give him anything? Let him go back to the European Parliament and be glad that he&#039;s out of the country.

Kanerva&#039;s selection is easier to understand. Assuming Salolainen and Niinistö are unwilling, the Coalition doesn&#039;t have many politicians with foreign policy experience. Kanerva has served on the Foreign Affairs Committee for a long time, has at least some international experience from the world of sports, and is willing to take the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Väyrynen pick is pretty darn bad. The man is utterly insufferable and liable to go off the reservation on EU and NATO. Why on earth would Vanhanen give him anything? Let him go back to the European Parliament and be glad that he&#8217;s out of the country.</p>
<p>Kanerva&#8217;s selection is easier to understand. Assuming Salolainen and Niinistö are unwilling, the Coalition doesn&#8217;t have many politicians with foreign policy experience. Kanerva has served on the Foreign Affairs Committee for a long time, has at least some international experience from the world of sports, and is willing to take the job.</p>
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		<title>By: RUaskingY? Ike&#38;MattiRgr8m8s</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/04/17/finlands-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-329176</link>
		<dc:creator>RUaskingY? Ike&#38;MattiRgr8m8s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is of course only the Finnish tabloid reader voice speaking, but you should get a load of these: 

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/keskustelu/lukijanviesti.asp?id=3044677

Do they sound like they are laughing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is of course only the Finnish tabloid reader voice speaking, but you should get a load of these: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.iltasanomat.fi/keskustelu/lukijanviesti.asp?id=3044677" rel="nofollow">http://www.iltasanomat.fi/keskustelu/lukijanviesti.asp?id=3044677</a></p>
<p>Do they sound like they are laughing?</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question of course is why Väyrynen gets his portfolio. I probably already stated my guess but that will a) make the voters of Lapland really happy b) placate the conservative farmer wing of Keskusta c) forward the cause of regional balance in the cabinet d) he is the number one Euroskeptic in Finland e) Finland is supposed to know how to deal with Moscow f) he has the longest experience of them all g) for the Kekkonen fans he&#039;s the next best thing h) he&#039;s been around so long that he has mentored many of the younger politicians i) he&#039;s another solid vote-getter j) he brings more comedy to the arena k) nobody knows like Väyrynen to get what he wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question of course is why Väyrynen gets his portfolio. I probably already stated my guess but that will a) make the voters of Lapland really happy b) placate the conservative farmer wing of Keskusta c) forward the cause of regional balance in the cabinet d) he is the number one Euroskeptic in Finland e) Finland is supposed to know how to deal with Moscow f) he has the longest experience of them all g) for the Kekkonen fans he&#8217;s the next best thing h) he&#8217;s been around so long that he has mentored many of the younger politicians i) he&#8217;s another solid vote-getter j) he brings more comedy to the arena k) nobody knows like Väyrynen to get what he wants.</p>
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		<title>By: RUaskingY? Ike&#38;MattiRgr8m8s</title>
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		<dc:creator>RUaskingY? Ike&#38;MattiRgr8m8s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kanerva is quite appealing to many if compared to Väyrynen.&quot;

That&#039;s a bit like comparing blind-deaf-mute quadriplegia to being in a coma, Helsinkian. I guess being blind, deaf, and without the use of your mouth, arms and legs would seem marginally better. However, there are a few WHOLE individuals - one must assume - in both those parties. And frankly, they are there to SERVE - that&#039;s what public service is all about, and they could just as easily have chosen a Bulevardi legal practice instead - and not to faff around worrying about picking up the kids from their private kindergarten. Get a nanny, you&#039;re earning enough! 

And I know you are jesting... nobody who plays the &quot;Paula&quot; card could be serious. But there are good jokes, and bad, stale ones we&#039;ve all heard before. Kanerva and Väyrynen don&#039;t make anyone laugh anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kanerva is quite appealing to many if compared to Väyrynen.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit like comparing blind-deaf-mute quadriplegia to being in a coma, Helsinkian. I guess being blind, deaf, and without the use of your mouth, arms and legs would seem marginally better. However, there are a few WHOLE individuals &#8211; one must assume &#8211; in both those parties. And frankly, they are there to SERVE &#8211; that&#8217;s what public service is all about, and they could just as easily have chosen a Bulevardi legal practice instead &#8211; and not to faff around worrying about picking up the kids from their private kindergarten. Get a nanny, you&#8217;re earning enough! </p>
<p>And I know you are jesting&#8230; nobody who plays the &#8220;Paula&#8221; card could be serious. But there are good jokes, and bad, stale ones we&#8217;ve all heard before. Kanerva and Väyrynen don&#8217;t make anyone laugh anymore.</p>
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