Interesting.. but when Phil comes back?

When Baltimore runs out of clams

The UK gets a rebate (if that’s what you mean by payment relief) because the amount it pays in agricultural subsidies far outweighs the amount it gets. The UK is still a significant net contributor to the EU in both absolute and per capita terms.

And I bet there are more Finns in the UK than Brits in Finland, even though there are 60 million Brits and only 5 million Finns.

finnsense:
And I bet there are more Finns in the UK than Brits in Finland

I personally know one who’s living in East End on the dole.

As for me, I’m trying to get myself on a different kind of dole in the City.

Yeah. We want Phil back

And I bet there are more Finns in the UK than Brits in Finland, even though there are 60 million Brits and only 5 million Finns.

Well, the VRK gives the amount of Brits in Finland as 2776. So there is one Brit for every 1800 Finns. If the same case were true with the UK; then there would have to be about 33 000 Finns in the UK. Now wheres them statistics when you need themm…

Finland paid 400 Million Euros more to EU last year than they got back. Still It’s not that much: about 77e for each Finn. That sum is about 0.5 % of the amount of taxes I pay each year. So EU is cheap. It’s that 99,5 % of “other” taxes that eat my wallet.

I guess that is where the Viekkaus money goes.

@8: Yup, they’ll just have to modify their slogan a little: ‘A Brit always wins!’

Hank W:

“See here Blair and Prescott laughing after they’ve been to the soup kitchen, fed first time in weeks, benefit of the Finnish taxpayers money…”

I agree, it’s a disgrace.

But isn’t this thanks for the “libertarian icon” Thatcher, who managed to negotiate these favours for the “poor brits”. Nice way to liberate your economy, when others pay for it.

And Blair, that guy I hate more than “the dumber one”. Whereas GWB is simply dumb, Blair is something else. If I would support the death penalty – which I don’t – and if justice would be FAIR, he would hang fairly soon. GWB would – successfully – plead insanity.

&lta href=”http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Defence+chiefs+hunting+trip+causes+political+furore+in+Denmark/1135226230412″ target=”_blank”>Why no post about this?

A January 2006 hunting trip in Estonia, in which the Danish, Finnish, and Estonian Chiefs of Defence took part, has raised a storm of protest in Denmark…..several sales representatives from Swedish jet fighter producer Saab and from Hägglunds, a subsidiary of weapons designer British Aerospace Systems, also attended (PAID FOR) the hunt.

This week General Helsø has submitted a report on his all-expenses-paid trip to the Ministry of Defence.
According to the ministry, Helsø’s request to attend the trip mentioned nothing about a hunting expedition. When the itinerary and list of participants were made public last weekend, the Ministry of Defence asked Helsø to provide a written explanation of the trip to the ministry.
In his report Helsø wrote that the Danish Defence Forces have close relations with Finland, Sweden, and Estonia. He insists that he did not know in advance that representatives of Swedish weapons manufacturers would also attend the hunt.
Berlingske Tidende reported further that the trip was paid for by the Royal Estonian Hunting Society, which had received funding from four large Swedish arms manufacturers.
Helsø claimed that he had not been aware of the fact that the Swedish arms industry supported the hunting society.

SHIT.

fuck’d up the link.

why is there no “revise” button on here?

here is the HS link:

http://tinyurl.com/245nek

RAVE THE DAVE:

“Why no post about this?”

Why do you feel there necessarily should be one?

Well, it is about the nordic countries defense CHIEFS freebie hunting party paid for by defense companies…

HS buried the story like it was just another day at the office. I know that Finland wasn’t exactly in the market for defense goodies at the moment, but doesn’t this type of lobbying (wooing, payola) smell of at the very least conflict of interest to you?

Interesting that one. There is “no corruption” understandably

RAVE:

“Well, it is about the nordic countrtheir ies defense CHIEFS freebie hunting party paid for by defense companies…”

Well, if “the nordic countries defense CHIEFS” knew about the fact that their “freebie hunting party” was “paid for by defense companies…” that’s NEWS. Unless, I fail to see the reason to libertarian happiness. So far, there’s no evidence for what you gleefully suggest.

“And Blair, that guy I hate more than “the dumber one”.”

naw, you all took the dumber one prise. Come on, all you did to save the world, was deploy as Human Shields for Iran.

And yet the Darfur killing continues. Thats dumb.

wtf, don’t we have poor ppl in finland or other organizations that would have need for that money? Why the fcuk does Finns always want to send money to other countries when we have enough problem in our own?! Can’t we fix all domestic problems first or is it so fcuking important to show to others that we care about others too?

‘naw, you all took the dumber one prise. Come on, all you did to save the world, was deploy as Human Shields for Iran.

And yet the Darfur killing continues. Thats dumb.’

Why don’t your best pals the Brits do something about it, now that we’re taking care of their poor? It was them who fucked up the region during their colonial rule, after all.

“Well, the VRK gives the amount of Brits in Finland as 2776. So there is one Brit for every 1800 Finns. If the same case were true with the UK; then there would have to be about 33 000 Finns in the UK. Now wheres them statistics when you need themm…”

Nice try Hank. You can come and do my tax returns anytime. If the number of Brits in Finland is 2776 that’s 0.0046% of the British population that have moved to Finland. If the same proportion of the Finnish population moved to the UK it would need 239 people to mean a similar proportion had moved.

The statistic you cite says nothing about either the absolute or relative desirability of moving abroad to sponge off the welfare state.

There are 11 228 people who were born in Finland living in UK according to BBC’s website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview.stm

“Why don’t your best pals the Brits do something about it,”

Ah yes, blame some on else for your failures. But then again, the Brits at least tried to fix the world, and not by being friends with Iran.

winter:

Against your stupidity, the gods themselves are helpless.

“Ah yes, blame some on else for your failures.”

In what sense is Finland, or any finn, the cause of the current situation in Sudan? A little FACT for a change, would be helpful.

So Finns in UK = 11,228
Brits in Finland = 2,776

There are about five times more Finns in Britain than visa-versa even though the population of Britain is twelve times larger than that of Finland.

“cause of the current situation in Sudan?”

Cause. Instead of saving Sudan you became “Human Shields for iran”.

Yes, thats the stupidy here.

What was your cause in helping Iran?

winter:

“What was your cause in helping Iran?”

Dunno? Has Finland helped Iran? Where do you live? Mars?

But in any case against your stupidity, the gods themselves are helpless.

I think he is, with his rather quirky reasoning, referring to Finland’s participation in the UN operation in Lebanon, where the armed wing of the Hezbollah was one of the combatants. And Hezbollah is, or at least originally was, very pro-Iran. Sori että aloitin peikon syöttämisen, parempi vaieta kuoliaaksi…

aet75:

“I think he is, with his rather quirky reasoning, referring to Finland’s participation in the UN operation in Lebanon, where the armed wing of the Hezbollah was one of the combatants. And Hezbollah is, or at least originally was, very pro-Iran.”

So now it is the new age of the “kremlologists” aka WINTEROLOGISTS .

But seriously, can you be sane, and claim that FINLAND somehow supported IRAN in this case. I’m sure winter will claim that (or anything else, regardless of facts), but is there any SANE person (not a nut-case, as poor winter), saying this is somehow TRUE. Are any sane people thinking in these directions?

They should The Hague

Wow had a seizure or something. I meant to say that they should drag prezident Blairs to the Hague. Maybe that would wipe that smile of his face.

“Hezbollah was one of the combatants. And Hezbollah is, or at least originally was, very pro-Iran.”

Are you watching the BBC again?

Come on, Hezbollah is owned, gets its orders, does exactly what Iran tells it to do.

ANd the great state of Finland, goes in, becomes Human Shields, so Hezbollah can take over the rest of Lebanon.

Thanks Finland. You sure screwed this one up. Did you do it for oil?

“ANd the great state of Finland, goes in, becomes Human Shields, so Hezbollah can take over the rest of Lebanon”

With the blessing of USA and Israel

What’s up with this “Winter” character? (first post here)

BlizBob

Winter is what they call a neoconservative or a neocon. They are a dying breed. Before the year 2000 inside the republican party they were referred to as “the crazies”.

What does he mean by the whole “human shield” argument? Well, this is classic neocon behaviour. Neocons speak in talking points – meaning they come up with something that they think is clever, then they repeat it over and over again. Actually they rarely come up with anything by themselves. Usually they get issued their talking points by “faux-news”. Remember the old “we have to fight them over there so we dont have to fight them over here.”? That’s a classic neocon talking point.

However Winter is right about one thing:

“Come on, Hezbollah is owned, gets its orders, does exactly what Iran tells it to do.”

This is true.

‘“Come on, Hezbollah is owned, gets its orders, does exactly what Iran tells it to do.”

This is true.’

Admittedly. It has popular support in Lebanon tho, members in the parliament etc.

Lan

try to prove youself “get issued their talking points by “faux-news”. ”

Please, Please find out wher someone other than me, who has used “Human Shields” for iran?

Please, as I was first. I did see a reference by an Israel General talking in general about UN troups as “Human Shields”.

Bet he got that from my “Talking points”.

Sorry if I talk, like I see it. It really must hurt to see your country in surrender mode, for OIL no less.

‘“Come on, Hezbollah is owned, gets its orders, does exactly what Iran tells it to do.”

This is true.’

Admittedly. It has popular support in Lebanon tho, members in the parliament etc.

Support at the point of a gun.

You guys watch the BBC, so I do not expect you to understand this point.

We’ll try and understand… maybe it’s similar to democracy at the point of a gun?
Btw the only thing I watch on the BBC is Top Gear.

Winter, did I say you got your human shields for oil meme from a talking head? No. As you know, I was talking about your kind in general.

By all means, be proud of the awesome slogan that you coined. Just dont expect anyone else to understand just what the hell you mean by it.

Later, dude. Have to go watch some BBC now.

“Admittedly. It has popular support in Lebanon tho, members in the parliament etc.”

Yes, Hezbollah is popular in Lebanon, particularly after Israels latest military campaigne. You cant trade prisoners no more. You have to go to war, even though the war doesnt help get the prisoners back.

“You can’t trade prisoners no more”

Such defeatest, give in, at any cost, words. You have your little French white flag of surrender flying no less?

Fucking EU.

Finland should leave it and work to create a Nordic Union with Norway, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark.

Lan Theroux:

“Wow had a seizure or something. I meant to say that they should drag prezident Blairs to the Hague. Maybe that would wipe that smile of his face.”

If “prezident Blairs” refer to the assholes Bush&Blair, then I agree. Both SHOULD be tried (along with – at least – the gentleman H. Kissinger, if not others) for war crimes. But that will not happen. The worst assholes – at least those that have “credibility” in the west – ALWAYS get away. No matter what they do. That’s called democracy. An amiable ideology. One that EVERYBODY should gladly follow. If not else, then at gun-point.

“Such defeatest, give in, at any cost, words. You have your little French white flag of surrender flying no less?”

Winter, you are yet again channeling Stephen Colbert.

Thomas

You are absolutely right. Isn’t it disgusting how Kissinger mostly gets the treatment of some esteemed older stateman, although he has known connections with war crimes like Operation Condor?

“Prezident Blairs” is how Ali G refers to the asshole at 10 Downin Street.

Lan Theroux:

“You are absolutely right. Isn’t it disgusting how Kissinger mostly gets the treatment of some esteemed older stateman, although he has known connections with war crimes like Operation Condor?”

If I were president of Finland, and if I had the proper authorisations, Henry Kissinger – if visiting Finland – would be thrown in jail (awaiting trial).

Sadly, this impropable scenario won’t happen, and the “statesman” will get the treatment he has gotten so far. Henry “Saddam” Kissinger. The killer. This world is crazy. At least it’s not LOGICAL. In any way.

Naw, Finland needs to go on trial for utter stupidy.

First for food for oil, where Sadam bought your political vote,

and now supporting terrorists in Lebanon with a Human Shield deployment.

Lets see how Oil figures in the Human Shield deployment.