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	<title>Comments on: V magazine pulls edition over drug-related article</title>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-308215</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just going through the V-magazine website and I found an interesting column, which apparently had no problem making it past the publication's censor:
http://www.vee.fi/ilmio/artikkeli/ihanasta_viinasta/
The writer takes a very casual attitude toward binge drinking, which causes more overdose deaths in Finland in a month in Finland alone than cannabis has in recorded history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just going through the V-magazine website and I found an interesting column, which apparently had no problem making it past the publication&#8217;s censor:<br />
<a href="http://www.vee.fi/ilmio/artikkeli/ihanasta_viinasta/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vee.fi/ilmio/artikkeli/ihanasta_viinasta/</a><br />
The writer takes a very casual attitude toward binge drinking, which causes more overdose deaths in Finland in a month in Finland alone than cannabis has in recorded history.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307903</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats, self destructive drug use is one thing , one must question would it be easy for drug dealers then to enter the childrens publishing industry if no one asked any questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats, self destructive drug use is one thing , one must question would it be easy for drug dealers then to enter the childrens publishing industry if no one asked any questions?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristian (in Espoo)</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307789</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristian (in Espoo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307773</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Certainly not - considering that the uproar over the trashing of thousands of magazines that were already printed has attracted so much attention&lt;/i&gt;

If anything, it tells us that Sanoma continues to be the purveyor of the sole acceptable truth in this country, whether we need to control "anti-Soviet agitation", convince everyone that Finland needs to join NATO yesterday or that drugs are bad, m'kay.

I think that it is everyone's civic duty to boycott that rag. It's a real threat to freedom of the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Certainly not - considering that the uproar over the trashing of thousands of magazines that were already printed has attracted so much attention</i></p>
<p>If anything, it tells us that Sanoma continues to be the purveyor of the sole acceptable truth in this country, whether we need to control &#8220;anti-Soviet agitation&#8221;, convince everyone that Finland needs to join NATO yesterday or that drugs are bad, m&#8217;kay.</p>
<p>I think that it is everyone&#8217;s civic duty to boycott that rag. It&#8217;s a real threat to freedom of the press.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307759</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 "...but lacked any new information, so I wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t say there was a huge loss..."

Certainly not - considering that the uproar over the trashing of thousands of magazines that were already printed has attracted so much attention that the article will probably end up having more readers on the Internet than it ever would have if it had just been in that one free-distribution magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 &#8220;&#8230;but lacked any new information, so I wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t say there was a huge loss&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly not - considering that the uproar over the trashing of thousands of magazines that were already printed has attracted so much attention that the article will probably end up having more readers on the Internet than it ever would have if it had just been in that one free-distribution magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307702</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re justifying censorship based on what you think they might have done? Really classy.&lt;/i&gt;

I do not support censorship. I don't order Pravda and never will.

&lt;i&gt;The first posting up there actually has a link to the article itself.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I see. Well, it wasn't as bad as I thought, but lacked any new information, so I wouldn't say there was a huge loss. Perhaps we need a fresher approach than this kind of social porn to bring about any real changes in drug policy. For instance, the transition from well-adjusted recreational use to drug addiction could be discussed. But maybe that would be too bold for hip and trendy journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re justifying censorship based on what you think they might have done? Really classy.</i></p>
<p>I do not support censorship. I don&#8217;t order Pravda and never will.</p>
<p><i>The first posting up there actually has a link to the article itself.</i></p>
<p>Oh, I see. Well, it wasn&#8217;t as bad as I thought, but lacked any new information, so I wouldn&#8217;t say there was a huge loss. Perhaps we need a fresher approach than this kind of social porn to bring about any real changes in drug policy. For instance, the transition from well-adjusted recreational use to drug addiction could be discussed. But maybe that would be too bold for hip and trendy journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristian (in Espoo)</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307690</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristian (in Espoo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't read the whole article, but I dig the masked superhero with the bong.  Party-on dude :lol:

Seriously, if 'drugs' like marijuana divert Finns from 'drugs' like alcohol, then I fully support it.  

There would be health benefits: Maybe a few less livers to replace in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the whole article, but I dig the masked superhero with the bong.  Party-on dude <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, if &#8216;drugs&#8217; like marijuana divert Finns from &#8216;drugs&#8217; like alcohol, then I fully support it.  </p>
<p>There would be health benefits: Maybe a few less livers to replace in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307653</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 "IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m actually glad they pulled it off the shelves. I mean, presenting illegal drug use as a sophisticated yuppie pastime is so extremely 90s... They probably interviewed some 20-something bozo in a suit (probably works in finance) who boasts how all his suave friends are recreational drug users and how they can handle it."

So you're justifying censorship based on what you think they might have done? Really classy. 

The first posting up there actually has a link to the article itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 &#8220;IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m actually glad they pulled it off the shelves. I mean, presenting illegal drug use as a sophisticated yuppie pastime is so extremely 90s&#8230; They probably interviewed some 20-something bozo in a suit (probably works in finance) who boasts how all his suave friends are recreational drug users and how they can handle it.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re justifying censorship based on what you think they might have done? Really classy. </p>
<p>The first posting up there actually has a link to the article itself.</p>
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		<title>By: aet75</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307372</link>
		<dc:creator>aet75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About censorship... the Germans are pushing for a EU-wide ban on 'violent' video games. Everybody, including Finland, has jumped on the bandwagon without a second thought, or ANY public discussion whatsoever. I find this extremely disturbing. Why should this media be handled so differently from the others? I mean it's ok to kill people gruesomely on film, but not on the computer screen? Or is this just the first step towards a general censorship 'to protect our children'? Is that not the responsibility of the parent(s), even if it's not always convenient? What I mean is that after casually supporting dangerous thing like this the parents can re-forget their kids and what they're doing when left home alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About censorship&#8230; the Germans are pushing for a EU-wide ban on &#8216;violent&#8217; video games. Everybody, including Finland, has jumped on the bandwagon without a second thought, or ANY public discussion whatsoever. I find this extremely disturbing. Why should this media be handled so differently from the others? I mean it&#8217;s ok to kill people gruesomely on film, but not on the computer screen? Or is this just the first step towards a general censorship &#8216;to protect our children&#8217;? Is that not the responsibility of the parent(s), even if it&#8217;s not always convenient? What I mean is that after casually supporting dangerous thing like this the parents can re-forget their kids and what they&#8217;re doing when left home alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307229</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d love to know what percentage of those positive tests only found marijuana.&lt;/i&gt;

Probably around 99%. Only an occasional pot smoker is naive enough to get caught in these toy tests, especially as it stays detectable for weeks after a single use. In the rare occasion that something else is found, it might indicate an actual drug problem. Opiates and cocaine wash away to undetectable levels in a matter of days, cocaine being the faster of the two.

Not to mention false positives. If a piss test is ever imposed on me, I'll make sure to eat loads of poppyseed bagels and hempseed tofu, plus get a prescription for pseudoephedrine nasal decongestants (if the job is in the Greatest Democracy and the Beacon of Freedom in the Universe, I'll get some Sudafed from effin Wal-Mart), so that their dream employee turns out to be a heroin addict speed freak pothead (until a &lt;strong&gt;real&lt;/strong&gt; GC/MS screen is made, that is)

That, or then I'll loudly exclaim: "What? You expect me to work at this loser company &lt;i&gt;straight&lt;/i&gt;? I need a raise!"

I recall that in the early 90s, at the height of Bush Sr's drug war, companies were given tax breaks for giving their employees drug tests. So, owners of large corporations bought shares in companies  manufacturing the tests and tested their every employee three times a week. To them, it was like printing money.

The origin of this piece of info was a rumour on the internets, so take it with a grain of your salt of choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d love to know what percentage of those positive tests only found marijuana.</i></p>
<p>Probably around 99%. Only an occasional pot smoker is naive enough to get caught in these toy tests, especially as it stays detectable for weeks after a single use. In the rare occasion that something else is found, it might indicate an actual drug problem. Opiates and cocaine wash away to undetectable levels in a matter of days, cocaine being the faster of the two.</p>
<p>Not to mention false positives. If a piss test is ever imposed on me, I&#8217;ll make sure to eat loads of poppyseed bagels and hempseed tofu, plus get a prescription for pseudoephedrine nasal decongestants (if the job is in the Greatest Democracy and the Beacon of Freedom in the Universe, I&#8217;ll get some Sudafed from effin Wal-Mart), so that their dream employee turns out to be a heroin addict speed freak pothead (until a <strong>real</strong> GC/MS screen is made, that is)</p>
<p>That, or then I&#8217;ll loudly exclaim: &#8220;What? You expect me to work at this loser company <i>straight</i>? I need a raise!&#8221;</p>
<p>I recall that in the early 90s, at the height of Bush Sr&#8217;s drug war, companies were given tax breaks for giving their employees drug tests. So, owners of large corporations bought shares in companies  manufacturing the tests and tested their every employee three times a week. To them, it was like printing money.</p>
<p>The origin of this piece of info was a rumour on the internets, so take it with a grain of your salt of choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307200</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm actually glad they pulled it off the shelves. I mean, presenting illegal drug use as a sophisticated yuppie pastime is so extremely 90s.

They probably interviewed some 20-something bozo in a suit (probably works in finance) who boasts how all his suave friends are recreational drug users and how they can &lt;i&gt;handle it&lt;/i&gt;.

And all the wind suits gasp in amazement: You mean that there are &lt;i&gt;drug users&lt;/i&gt; out there who &lt;i&gt;work&lt;/i&gt;???

(What did you think employee drug tests are for, schmuck?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually glad they pulled it off the shelves. I mean, presenting illegal drug use as a sophisticated yuppie pastime is so extremely 90s.</p>
<p>They probably interviewed some 20-something bozo in a suit (probably works in finance) who boasts how all his suave friends are recreational drug users and how they can <i>handle it</i>.</p>
<p>And all the wind suits gasp in amazement: You mean that there are <i>drug users</i> out there who <i>work</i>???</p>
<p>(What did you think employee drug tests are for, schmuck?)</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307167</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7 Censorship is worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 Censorship is worse.</p>
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		<title>By: JyvÃƒÂ¤skylÃƒÂ¤inen</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307146</link>
		<dc:creator>JyvÃƒÂ¤skylÃƒÂ¤inen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drugs are bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drugs are bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank W.</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-307134</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>withdrawn from circulation on Wednesday...

Oh, so I got a copy off a full stack in Myyrmanni...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>withdrawn from circulation on Wednesday&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, so I got a copy off a full stack in Myyrmanni&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anni</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/02/22/v-magazine-pulls-edition-over-drug-related-article/#comment-306840</link>
		<dc:creator>Anni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going to answer my own question. Yes it did, actually at least few times.

First in 2004 it wrote about so called design drugs.
http://www.city.fi/artikkeli/Design-huumeet/1194/

And later in 2005 more generally about drug use in Finland.
http://www.city.fi/artikkeli/Suuri+huumeraportti/1543/

In the later article they also comment on the attitude at Helsingin Sanomat and describe it as "umpimielinen" (~reserved, uncommunicative). And still Magazine in the same group with HS can't publish article about drugs, even if it much less controversial than for example the one about design drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going to answer my own question. Yes it did, actually at least few times.</p>
<p>First in 2004 it wrote about so called design drugs.<br />
<a href="http://www.city.fi/artikkeli/Design-huumeet/1194/" rel="nofollow">http://www.city.fi/artikkeli/Design-huumeet/1194/</a></p>
<p>And later in 2005 more generally about drug use in Finland.<br />
<a href="http://www.city.fi/artikkeli/Suuri+huumeraportti/1543/" rel="nofollow">http://www.city.fi/artikkeli/Suuri+huumeraportti/1543/</a></p>
<p>In the later article they also comment on the attitude at Helsingin Sanomat and describe it as &#8220;umpimielinen&#8221; (~reserved, uncommunicative). And still Magazine in the same group with HS can&#8217;t publish article about drugs, even if it much less controversial than for example the one about design drugs.</p>
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