Awww, great. If I remember, Mr. Springsteen (b. in the USA) here promised to get a trailer for finnish blondes in some post. There you go. Please, make sure she doesn’t have any access to finnish newspapers.

The dad looks weird. Are you sure he’s not the kidnapper?

Thank God for justice. May she enjoy her stay and hopefully be deported on her release for all she has done to her kids and ex.

Why was she dumb enough to step back in the United States? And is this sentencing because of her actions two years ago? Or is this something new she did?

probably confused the will of The US court system to enforce court orders and those of the Finnish system not to. Wasn’t she under a ruling in The US concerning access to the boys? Unfortunately she has now learnt the courts do follow up on orders and enforce the law the hard way. Maybe someone could smuggle her in a “puuko” baked in a “pulla” and try a little Finnish justice…….

“…is this sentencing because of her actions two years ago?”

If that’s not the case, my guess based on experience on ‘strong, independent nordic women’ is that she bitched at the judge and didn’t shut up in time.

Judges in the USA do not throw a Mom in Jail for no reason. It looks bad for them if they do (The Judges).

There is more to this story.

winter:
Judges in the USA do not throw a Mom in Jail for no reason.

Well, at least not a white mom.

That woman, ugh! It bugged me most how the Socialist media here was mourning and pining for the damn woman who did the crime of kidnapping her kids in the first place!

When all that crap was going on, we heard about how terrible America is and blah blah blah. When an independant source (not gov’t related) interviewed the boys, they said they liked America better.

Awww, great. If I remember, Mr. Springsteen (b. in the USA) here promised to get a trailer for finnish blondes in some post.

By the way, didn’t he also mention that he had a Finnish trailer trash blonde himself? Vakka kantensa valitsee…

“If that’s not the case, my guess based on experience on ’strong, independent nordic women’ is that she bitched at the judge and didn’t shut up in time.”

I think she falls under the phsycotic, insecure, nordic women catergory.

“Well, at least not a white mom.”

Huh?

“Well, at least not a white mom.”

Huh… I was on a jury where we wanted a black gal to go to jail for taking a large amount of money. Well,,, her back boy friend actually got all the cash.

She had two kids, and the judge just sent her home for house arrest. Nights are in jail, but home most of the day.

Ms. Koski went to jail, not for commiting a crime, but for violating a court order as to visitation and/or custody. Judges send moms of all color to jail for violating court orders as to visitation or custody. It happens all the time. I hear judges every week asking moms who cry about not allowing their ex-husbands visitation if they brought their tooth brush to court…(because they will need the toothbrush for county jail). Most people who are held in contempt are in jail for a few weeks. However, if you take your children out of the country in violation of a court order, then my guess is that a judge is really not amused.

What was she thinking coming back to the States? She certainly didn’t consult with an American attorney before she came to this country.

YeeHaw, What goes around, comes around. I have been hoping that she would be stupid enough to do that. Would you please pick up the soap Ms. Koski!

Ms. Koski went to jail, not for commiting a crime, but for violating a court order as to visitation and/or custody.

Was it because of the whole debacle she caused a couple years ago? Or is this something new she’s done?

IF you read this plus all of the links given to earlier article you will get the best available summary.
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1101978170063
As to why she was sent to prison in the USA one would need to know/have access to the original court order that she has now taken into contempt.
If you check all of the links given by the Hesari you might find it..
But I seem to remember at the time some legal expert’s comment that “if she entered the USA, and attempted to gain access/meet her kids, without agreement from their father”..that she could be held in contempt of court.
Whether this is waht she actauly did..Need to check the USA papers in where-ever town/state she is in prison.

Ummm… that bloke is another person isn’t he? I mean another case. Wasn’t he some american father trying to get his kids from Finland??? Something to do with kidnapping as well I think. Atleast hes not John Rogers, he is a dark fellow remembering from some pictures way back when.

Perhaps he overegged it a bit when he said he was “the most recognised American in Finland”. Or perhaps it’s the strain of the case. But yes, that IS John Rogers, or at least it’s the picture that was attached to an article he wrote stateside.

http://www.metrobeat.net/gbase/Expedite/Content?oid=oid%3A3125

Well damn. I wonder then who was the guy they had in the pictures back in the day I was remembering. Or was that some other case totally then?

#12 Perhaps it is a refreshingly cool day in the Infernal Regions, but I find myself basically agreeing with Winter on this one.

When the whole Koski affair was raging in Finland, I was at pains to point out to people here that an American court would not favor the father in a custody dispute without a good reason.

While I can empathise with the painful emotions of everyone involved, what the whole thing boils down to is international law. A few years earlier Finland managed to secure the repatriation of the child of a Finnish mother from Algeria, where the child’s father had taken her, against the custody decision of a Finnish court. Rules that apply to Algerian fathers have to apply to Finnish mothers as well.

Phil:

My guess is that this all stems from what she did a few years ago. She probably left the States with the kids in violation of a possession or visitation agreement hammered out at either separation or actual divorce.

Here in the States, when people of different nationalities get divorced, and the children are US citizens, most courts restrict the children’s permanent residence to US. So, she could have violated a court order stating the kids are to remain in the States. Additionally, whatever visitation the father may have been entitled to was certainly violated when she came to Finland with the kids. Or, finally, the second she left with the kids, her husband could have gone to court here in the US and had a judge here order that she return with the children.

I don’t know if anyone remembers an incident about 12 years ago in Washington DC when a US mother (and doctor) was getting divorced and her husband was granted liberal visitation rights. Convinced that her husband was molesting the child, she sent the child to live in New Zealand. A US court held her in contempt until she produced the child to the US. She refused and spent many years in jail on contempt charges.

Hank: are you thinking about the Campoy case?

BINGO! I mixed Outi Koski with Kerstin Campoy… I think that Campoy thing was even more in the news back in the time. She has also been popping up in the news every now and then.

Kimmo W

“I was at pains to point out to people here that an American court would not favor the father in a custody dispute without a good reason.”

Unless the GOOD REASON was, that he happens to be American, while the mother is not. I’m not saying this is the case, but the U.S. legal system is not one I trust being impartial. Especially in cases where one of the “participants” is a non-U.S. citisen.

There was an interesting documentary on Canal Digital the other day, about innocent people in U.S. prisons. One guy in Florida had spent 20 years in prison (a white guy I might add). Once DNA proved he was innocent, it took 3 YEARS for him to get paroled. When he was paroled, he received no compensation. Apparently it is no automation (and usually it never happens) that innocent people sitting in U.S. prisons get any compensation. Funnily enough, it seems that people being paroled for “good behaviour”, or people serving their full time, get better chances in terms of schooling, financial support etc. This according to said documentary. If this is anywhere near the truth, I don’t pay much attention to U.S. courts, to be honest.

#24 Ergo, an American father (or a male of any nationality) is guilty until proven innocent. Meanwhile, the Finnish tabloids took the mother’s side for no other apparent reason than:
a: she was a woman, and
b: (apparently most important) she was a Finn.

In the end, the Finnish courts came to the quite reasonable conclusion that Ms. Koski had violated a court order, which Finnish authorities were required, by international treaties, to respect.

In another celebrated case, a Finnish mother succeeded in getting her child back from the child’s Algerian father who had similarly kidnapped his daughter to his home country, hoping that being out of Finnish jurisdiction would protect him. Fortunately, a court in that country recognised the authority of the Finnish court, which granted her custody.

How could Finnish parents with the law on their side hope to get justice in similar cases if Finnish courts showed a bias against foreign plaintiffs?

“Unless the GOOD REASON was, that he happens to be American, while the mother is not. I’m not saying this is the case, but the U.S. legal system is not one I trust being impartial. Especially in cases where one of the “participants” is a non-U.S. citisen.”

Flat backwords. The U.S legal system is very impartial and if a participant is a non-U.S. citizen the are given an extra amount of impartialness. There is cases going on ALL THE TIME where non-U.S. citizens receive special treatment. You don’t live here, you don’t know.

Why does it matter to you so much weather the innocent guy was white or black? Bigotry.

Nipsu:What was she thinking coming back to the States? She certainly didn’t consult with an American attorney before she came to this country.

To be close to her boys, so she could have some chance to meet them. It’s not like the US court would have let them fly to Finland for summer holidays. They’ve met briefly 11 times since then during these is it 3 or 4 years.

Ummm… that bloke is another person isn’t he? I mean another case. Wasn’t he some american father trying to get his kids from Finland?

Hank, John Rogers tried to kidnap his sons too, they caught them in Paris airport.

Kimmo W

“#24 Ergo, an American father (or a male of any nationality) is guilty until proven innocent.”

Did I say that? I think i used the word “if” to indicate that I left that “the guilt”-question completly open. Can’t be that difficult to understand, or?

Interestingly though, there have been two cases of finnish mothers in this situation. It would be interesting to see how the U.S. juridical system would act, should the cards be dealt the other way around. Remains to be seen.

“Meanwhile, the Finnish tabloids took the mother’s side for no other apparent reason than:
a: she was a woman, and
b: (apparently most important) she was a Finn.”

Yes, but where are tabloids known to follow any kind of logic? The juridical system – however – should act according to other principles than the tabloids, shouldn’t they?

The father in the Koski case did try to “steal” the kids back to the U.S. in a rather spectacular way too.

“In another celebrated case, a Finnish mother succeeded in getting her child back from the child’s Algerian father who had similarly kidnapped his daughter to his home country, hoping that being out of Finnish jurisdiction would protect him. Fortunately, a court in that country recognised the authority of the Finnish court, which granted her custody.”

That is Algeria, now the U.S. is still waiting for the opportunity to show it’s decency. Especially if it was a finnish father given custody by a finnish court, that would be the issue. If it weren’t for the human disaster involved – I would say I can’t wait for that case to materialise. Then we’ll see. I’m not very optimistic on behalf of the potential finnish father though.

“How could Finnish parents with the law on their side hope to get justice in similar cases if Finnish courts showed a bias against foreign plaintiffs?”

True. But like I said, I’m not aware of all the details in this particular case. I don’t trust U.S. courts very much. But in general you are of course right. The tabloid logic shouldn’t control courts. That’s for sure. And, it didn’t in Finland. Unfortunately the U.S. has had a fair amount of scandals, related to the juridical system. The fact that somebody – who is innocent – can be kept in prison for more than 20 years, and then is left without any support after being released, is in itself proof that something stinks very badly. Very, very badly.

maksalaatikko:

“Why does it matter to you so much weather the innocent guy was white or black? Bigotry.”

Au contraire. I just pointed out that EVEN white guys, not only blacks and hispanics, can be treated like shit, by the U.S. courts.

maksalaatikko:

“The U.S legal system is very impartial”

Yeah yeah. Why is it then that studies show that your risk of e.g. receiving a death penalty is strongly correlated with racial background? Doesn’t prove impartialness imho. Quite the contrary actually.

“There is cases going on ALL THE TIME where non-U.S. citizens receive special treatment.”

Like which one? Which case is ongoing right now, and what is the nature of the special treatment in that case. Since such cases are going on ALL THE TIME, one must surely go on right now. So, which is it?

If some media interesting case is going on, I’m sure there might be steps taken to improve the U.S. public image, but the original Koski custody case most certainly wasn’t one. Finland heard/read about Outi Koski much much later.

AND, weren’t you the one who said the U.S. legal system is impartial (see direct quote above). Now is it impartial, if foreigners get “special treatment”? Somebody might say that is quite PARTIAL.

“You don’t live here, you don’t know.”

So how can you comment on anything concerning Finland, since you don’t live here?

Kaislis:

“Ummm… that bloke is another person isn’t he? I mean another case. Wasn’t he some american father trying to get his kids from Finland?

Hank, John Rogers tried to kidnap his sons too, they caught them in Paris airport. ”

I think this bloke IS the “kidnapper” John Rogers.

maksalaatikko:

“I think she falls under the phsycotic, insecure, nordic women catergory.”

Based on two public cases, where the father has been given the custody right over a finnish mother, I guess we can “safely” (in Phil-like logic terms at least) assume that all women moving to the U.S. fall into this category of “phsycotic, insecure, nordic”.

I wouldn’t know in the past, but going to the U.S. these days. Hell no. Then you NEED to be at least “phsycotic” .

Thomas:I think this bloke IS the “kidnapper” John Rogers.

I don’t know about that, but it does seem to me, that he tries to estrange the boys from their mother. Even though the mother has been stupid (after all, before she took boys to Finland, she had them every other week!), I can’t but feel empathy for her.

I lived in Finland for a few years and I do not comment using countless one sided documentaries as my evidence. I also do not comment beyond my personal experience, my wife’s or Finnish friends’ opinions, or what I’ve read from reputable sources. I’m suspicious of agenda driven documentaries and never use them as a source.

You on the other hand, have watched and read a boatload of very partial mockumentaries about the US and use them as evidence. One or two cases or events do not acurately reflect a country of over 300 million people. But a hate filled mockumentary director can make some decent money feeding Kool Aid to crossed-eyed, hate filled, mockumentary consumers all over Europe and the US. For people like you, your minds are all ready made up. There is no other side to the story. You already know the answers.

Now if you followed US news regularly, not as reported by Europeans but through regular American news outlets (like I do for Finnish and European news) such as foxnews.com; you would know about this story which has been plastered all over media for months.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244193,00.html

Story in short: Border agents shoot illegal alien drug smuggler in the butt and go to jail for 12 years. Illegal alien drug smuggler does not even get prosecuted for his many crimes and is now sueing the US goverment for millions.

“I wouldn’t know in the past, but going to the U.S. these days. Hell no. Then you NEED to be at least “phsycotic” .”

I think most of the Finnish women who come here these days aren’t physcotic. Most of them are strong, independent nordic women. I think they come here because they are attracted to the strong, independant American men and they also enjoy breathing the fresh air of freedom.

At least that’s what they say.

Kislis:

“I don’t know about that, but it does seem to me, that he tries to estrange the boys from their mother.”

I think the “charmer” on the photo is John Rogers. That’s all I have to say. I don’t know anything about the Rogers-Koski deal. I simply find it strange that a kidnapper is somehow a saint, in the eyes of the oh so fair U.S. legal system.

maksalaatikko:

“I lived in Finland for a few years and I do not comment using countless one sided documentaries as my evidence.”

So now you know where I’ve spent my life? And besides the ONE documentary (whose contents you cannot dispute unless you know which documentary it is – and afaik you don’t) I’ve mentioned, what else have I relied upon.

And is ONE documentary really countless for you? Then I suggest a visit to elementary school. ONE, TWO, THREE, and so on. You need to learn the basics.

“I also do not comment beyond my personal experience, my wife’s or Finnish friends’ opinions, or what I’ve read from reputable sources. I’m suspicious of agenda driven documentaries and never use them as a source.”

Once again, do you know this documetary. If you – as I suspect – do not, how do you know it’s AGENDA DRIVEN.

“You on the other hand, have watched and read a boatload of very partial mockumentaries about the US and use them as evidence.”

So now you somehow know what I’ve seen and read. Scary.

“One or two cases or events do not acurately reflect a country of over 300 million people.”

So then, you who are – oh so – knowledgeable, could maybe help a “mockumentary” duped scandinavian, to get to know the general system in use in the U.S. to aid people that have been thrown in prison although they are innocent? If people are thrown on the streets, after being in prison for +20 years being innocent, with no money available, then something sucks very very big time. Then ONE documented case is enough. You can’t hide behind the “statistics” shadow in cases like this.

“There is no other side to the story. You already know the answers.”

Well, if the story is, one guy is thrown in prison for 20+ years, and then thrown out on the streets, with no compensation, is there any other side to the story? Can a country (or state in the U.S. case) behaving in this way even be considered worthy of being given an “other side”? IMHO no.

And yes, given the facts I know of – I know the “answer” in this particular case. Doesn’t take a genious to crack this one.

“Now if you followed US news regularly, not as reported by Europeans but through regular American news outlets (like I do for Finnish and European news) such as foxnews.com;”

What are the outlets you follow up in europe to contrast the – oh so – impartial foxnews.com? ciaeuropereport.com or tony.lapdog.blair.go.uk? I wouldn’t even discuss FOX if i was serious. Apparently in the U.S. you still do.

“Story in short: Border agents shoot illegal alien drug smuggler in the butt and go to jail for 12 years.”

Oh oh. So nowadays it’s not even legal to shoot “illegal alien drug smugglers” in the U.S. What a crime against humanity. U.N. (or the frog-eating french) should send their “white flag of surrender”-vawing troops in to sort out this horrible crime against all human decency. Of course this guy deserves a medal instead of prison. Self-evident.

But times change. Not so long ago a proven mass-murderer (+200 victims) received the horrendous penalty of having to stay at home for 1 year. The impartial U.S. legal system at its prime. The fact that victims were vietnamese didn’t affect the verdict one bit.

And, contrary to what you self-centered U.S.-people might think: NO, this ISN’T news in Europe. So I find it amusing, that you even reflect on how this would be reported by europeans. What a joke.

Btw. Where was this “illegal alien drug smuggler” convicted of his “crimes”. I thought one was innocent until PROVEN guilty in the U.S. But we learn new things every day, thanks to the fine U.S. people writing to this – like the U.S. courts – impartial blog.

“Illegal alien drug smuggler does not even get prosecuted for his many crimes and is now sueing the US goverment for millions.”

So now even the fact that somebody is suing the U.S. government (or whatever) is evidence in support of a fair legal system? Get a fucking clue. I thought the verdicts were what matters.

Perhaps I need to elaborate this term “strong, independent nordic woman”. It’s a local ladies magazine euphenism for constant nagging, pissed-offness, domestic wars over ‘lebensraum’ in the mild end and heavy drinking + husband beating in the severe end.

That’s why hunting, sometimes without any ammunition for the rifle is rather popular male hobby, especially in the countryside.

Somehow appropriately both mrs ex-rogers and mrs ex-campoy were in the ilta-rag today.

“And, contrary to what you self-centered U.S.-people might think: NO, this ISN’T news in Europe. So I find it amusing, that you even reflect on how this would be reported by europeans. What a joke.”

You did an excellent job of missing the point and an excellent job of proving my point. Thank you

maksalaatikko:

“You did an excellent job of missing the point and an excellent job of proving my point. Thank you”

What is the reason that you and your kind cannot accept the fact that the rest of the world – unlike you – consists of people with zero thought reading power? The fact that you think you have this ability, does not change the fact that people with less god-like fantasies about themselves accept (and suffer in discussions suchs as this) that they don’t have this ability.

I’m really tired of all these blog participants, who simply cannot write what they mean in an understandable way. But here’s two (pretty damn direct – so you should be able to confront them) questions for you:

Which point did I miss?
Which point did I prove?

I’m sure I’m not the only reader who missed on those accounts.

Is it just me or does John Rogers remind you of Jigsaw from the movie saw.

You can be sure that if the father did all those violations, he would be in jail for a few years.

And as being a woman, a mother etc, she really was unlucky or stupid to get a sentence of 30 days.

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outi didnt fuckin kidnnapp the kidz the dad did

The Campoy case was very shocking. I`m from Finland and i just read a finnish magazine and it had a article about this. I think the boys should have stayed with their mother. In that article Kerstin Campoy talked about the whole thing and she said that se misses her sons every single day and the reporter from that magazine showed some pictures to Kerstin and she started to cry she said her only wish is that she could meet up with her children once again.

Outi Koski abducted the children. Even a very protectionist Finnish justice admitted that. Like most abducting parents, she coud not see the wrong in her attitude and, as soon as she was in the position of abducting the children again, she did just that.

Note that she prevented, during the abductions, the father to see the children, when the father, as soon as he got the children back, offered of his own free will, the possibility, for the mother, to see the children.

He, indeed, tried his luck at a counter abduction but was unlucky. Nevertheless, in the end, the abducting mother lost her case.