from 22.12. onwards at kino engel:

http://nyt.hs.fi/menot/haku?newSearch=true&searchDuration=5&searchWord=Shortbus

So basically it’s just porn but with slightly better-than-average script and actors? I think mixing porn and drama like this is not going to be very successful. Porn audience want to see porn, they’re bored with the drama part. On the other hand, drama audience do not necessarily want to be faced with hardcore porn, so they might skip this film altogether.

It’s a bit like mixing milk and beer. Why would anyone do that? Some people like to drink beer and others like milk but I bet very few people would think of drinking beermilk. Especially when one remembers that milk tends to coagulate when mixed with alcohol.

“But what’s so interesting about it is that it’s the first time I’ve heard of combining hardcore porn with an actual movie.”

Ever heard of Baise-moi, Fuck me in english.
Sort of a very violent hardcore porn version of Thelma and Louise.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0249380/

And according to IMDB the film was “banned in Australia. It was initially released to a select audience but the Commonwealth government, by use of police force, closed down the screenings.”

Australia has legalized brothels, but banned this film!?!?

Yes according to the IMDB

Shortbus and Baise-moi may be the first signs of the totally different sense of intimacy and visuality that the next generation has/will have. Google brings us information on celebrities sex life as easily as on their public speeches and the hardcore scenes may soon affect the audience less than toothbrushing. The barrier between personal and public really can’ exist for very long any more, not after ~150 seasons of BigBrother played worldwide.

Australia has legalized brothels, but banned this film!?!?

It might be the gay content. Some countries have double standards for depicting straight and gay action.

Shortbus and Baise-moi may be the first signs of the totally different sense of intimacy and visuality that the next generation has/will have.

Always for a reaction there’s a counter-reaction. I don’t think new generations will necessarily be more open in regards of intimacy, their sexuality or about their private life. In the 1960′s everyone thought that the sexual revolution would totally change how people will live. Although some things changed others didn’t.

Oh and then there is Intimacy but it’s very very mild compared to these two

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256103/

do you think we’ll see more of this genre?

So you’ve never seen “French Art Movies” oh man…

Australia has legalized brothels, but banned this film!?!?

Anglosphere countries are the champions of double standards.

YIKES!….YUCK!…gag me with a spoon,growdy to the max,i’m so sure…
infinndel finally admits to being offended…

The film is not banned in Australia at all. Is currently screening at Dendy cinemas.

Check out the director’s other film Hedwig and the Angry Inch.

If I ever want to traumatise Daniel for life and make him sing loud LALALALALA for months, I’ll get this on DVD and show it to him without a content warning.. LOL (Not that he’s homophobic at all, but he’d NOT want to see something that graphic) =D

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Do you mean Baise-moi or Shortbus, as according to the IMDB Baise-moi is or was banned in Australia

Shortbus was not banned. Not sure about Baise-moi.

Anglosphere countries are the champions of double standards.

I just heard this morning that Finland gives out needles for free to IV drug users, yet if we catch you with heroin we throw you in jail. Talk about a double standard! (although, I think all modern countries do needle exchange)

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You know why they do these needle exchanges? Do you think the same way about sex education, that teaching how to use the condom promotes sex among teenagers? And thats just wrong isn’t it?

You should write a separate post on needle exchange, Phil .

A good Australian Film for you guys to watch is “Bad Boy Bubby”

I just heard this morning that Finland gives out needles for free to IV drug users

You just heard this morning? Given that you’ve expressed an interest in drug policy, this is pretty shocking. You need to get out of the barrel you’re apparently living in (Espoo certainly qualifies) and step up your efforts to learn Finnish OR Swedish. Lest you become a welfare-statist zombie brainwashed by Hesari, you might want to consider subscribing to HBL to get an alternative viewpoint.

Yes, the needle exchange/drug counseling centres (called “Vinkki”) have been in operation for about 10 years now. They were set up as a response to the mid-to-late 90s HIV epidemic among IV drug users. Initially they raised quite a ruckus among the flower-hatted aunties who argued that by providing clean needles they are encouraging CRIME. (As in: now that I have this shiny new syringe that I spontaneously decided to pick up, I just gotta go buy me some heroin and shoot it up, man). The health officials laid out the hard numbers: how many HIV infections we’ll have in a given time is something is not done. This shut the aunties up. The epidemic was quickly put under control.

Contrast this with Estonia, which has left dealing with the HIV problem to the invisible hand and now has the highest HIV infection rate outside Africa. Yes, higher than e.g. Thailand.

Of course, I am not in any way suggesting that Finland is dealing with drug problems in an optimal manner. For instance, there are no decent maintenance treatment programs with either buprenorphine or methadone. One guy (Dr. Pentti Karvonen) tried to offer buprenorphine maintenance treatment and was jailed for a long time. Shameful.

Human sexuality is a powerful thing, and it makes sense to try and depict it accurately in drama. I’m not too keen on the gay porno part though. No offense to the other team, but that stuff usually makes me sick to my stomach.

Special ed, hardcore porn, drama and comedy. Sounds like Idioterne (a.k.a The Idiots) by Lars von Trier: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0154421/

“Group fuck! Group fuck!”

Well it only has that one scene, but still.

The concept of combining film genre is intriguing, and I believe would be welcomed by a large audience. The combinations of situations, emotions, and reactions are much wider range.

There will always be devotees to any pure film category. The more simple-minded people that ONLY watch porn, or romantic comedy, or frat-house comedy, or disaster, or war movies, or whatever, will not consider ANY of the other forms of entertainment, and certainly not an unconventional mix.

However, other audience members, already quite familiar with the “pure” styles… as viewed gain and again, have grown to find the plots, jokes, rescues, whatever, quite predictable and ready for a fresh approach. A blending of reality and fantasy, as porn, comedy & drama, does actually more closely reflect real life, and is equally unpredictable.

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I would just like to say this movie is not porn. Actually the sexual activity is merely just part of the picture. The film is about sexuality and the interplay of relationships between a post traumatic/ post modern society. Hardcore porn is so far from what it is. This movie has meaning and if you think its just about sex, your mind must be so shallow you wouldn’t get anything out of this but an erection. So I guess it’s completely up to you on how you view the film, but I wouldn’t be going around telling people Shortbus is a hardcore porn cross movie because you’ll just look like an idiot.

Shortbus, directed by John Cameron Mitchell, embodies the
unsimulated sex scenes as well as emotionally gravitating plot necessarily to
validate its presence as a hard-core art film.  One of the key elements of this film is its ability to
implement hard-core sex with out creating a sexually stimulating experience for
the audience.  While some may be
aroused from watching the movie, the overall goal of the film was to capture to
the physiological experiences of sexual exploration within the strangely
connected lives of several characters. 
“It’s not about sex but about sexuality..nor about scoring but about living.”(Roger
Ebert)  Furthermore the diversity
of sex in its true form amongst the characters makes this movie relatable to
the audience.  After all, we are
all individuals who define ourselves through different means when having a
sexual encounter.  “Shortbus is a
salon for the gifted and challenged.” As the film shows the vast spectrum of
sexual acts, the audience begins to identify with each individual, creating a
passionate sense of compare and contrast. 
Through this evaluation, the viewer de-eroticizes the pornographic
aspect of the film and accepts its value as an oddly humorous relatable film,
thus categorizing it as a genre of hard-core art film. John Mitchell writes,
“the dictionary defines porn as material created and viewed for the primary
purpose of sexual arousal…the sex in Shortbus is purposefully de-eroticized to remove the cloud
of arousal to reveal emotions and ideas that might have been obscured by
it.”  While the sexually ignorant
media might call this creation porn, I view it as a work of art strongly rooted
with intentions other then erotic arousal.  In essence, Shortbus expands the boundaries of mainstream film as well as the viewer’s
understanding of the sexual identity and defines its place in the world of
cinematography as a hard-core art film. 

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