Comments on: Radio Free Finland interviews Henrik Arnstad this afternoon http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:00:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Bob the finnish http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-356461 Bob the finnish Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:23:07 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-356461 Henrik I agree with you. Thanks for your post. Write more, please and do not consider those idiots. Henrik I agree with you. Thanks for your post. Write more, please and do not consider those idiots.

]]> By: darouacdelco http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-352204 darouacdelco Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:57:13 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-352204 elacelnolir elacelnolir

]]> By: Henrik Arnstad http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-329108 Henrik Arnstad Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:26:33 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-329108 Thanks for all the interesting comments here. Yes, even the angry ones! Thanks for all the interesting comments here. Yes, even the angry ones!

]]> By: Tomi http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-234277 Tomi Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:46:50 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-234277 Anon, taking account your excellence in the Finnish past and historical method, you should consider forming a team with Arnstad. Your first task could be finding your way to the nearest library and reading a book about history. Anon, taking account your excellence in the Finnish past and historical method, you should consider forming a team with Arnstad. Your first task could be finding your way to the nearest library and reading a book about history.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-234250 Anonymous Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:57:06 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-234250 Today, 17th of December, the Finnish television company YLE broadcast a program called Kansakunnan käännekohta( at 15.05 p.m.) According to the program description, the program is about a Finnish Fascist Erik Renwall. I had no idea this man was our minister of education during 1935-45 and also a member of party National Front. The program ask "What If the fascist had won?". I had totally forgotten that we had such a party and that the party was big enough to have a minister post. I tried to look for further information on Google but found no pages!!! Sear words were Erik Renwall, and or Minister Erik Renwall. According to Google it looks like this man never lived!!! Instead searching for "Suomi Isänmaa" gives as a result a name of Janne Kujala who was a member of Finnish Kokoomus party and later on left the party and formed the new party called Suomi Isänmaa that might be fascist. This new party Suomi Isänmaa has no links to above National Front party earlier, I suppose. If some body can find more info about Finnish fascist minister Erik Renwall on the internet, please add the information with links here. Searching in Swedish for more info on Erik Kujala could give better result. If we indeed had a fascist party and a fascist minister during 1935-45, it might be true that Finland co-operated more with Nazi-Germany than it is widely known. Today, 17th of December, the Finnish television company YLE broadcast a program called Kansakunnan käännekohta( at 15.05 p.m.) According to the
program description, the program is about a Finnish Fascist Erik Renwall. I had no idea this man was our minister of education during 1935-45 and also a member of party National Front. The program ask “What If the fascist had won?”. I had totally forgotten that we had such a party and that the party was big enough to have a minister post. I tried to look for further information on Google but found no pages!!! Sear words were Erik Renwall, and or Minister Erik Renwall. According to Google it looks like this man never lived!!!

Instead searching for “Suomi Isänmaa” gives as a result a name of Janne Kujala who was a member of Finnish Kokoomus party and later on left the party and formed the new party called Suomi Isänmaa that might be fascist. This new party Suomi Isänmaa has no links to above National Front party earlier, I suppose. If some body can find more info about Finnish fascist minister Erik Renwall on the internet, please add the information with links here. Searching in Swedish for more info on Erik Kujala could give better result.

If we indeed had a fascist party and a fascist minister during 1935-45, it might be true that Finland co-operated more with Nazi-Germany than it is widely known.

]]> By: windy http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-232069 windy Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:16:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-232069 Arnstad writes on his blog: <i>Tuomioja skriver ocksÃ¥ att jag inte tagit del av finsksprÃ¥kig forskning i de delar som berör Finland. Helt korrekt. Men framför allt skriver han att attackerna mot boken inte har tillräckligt grund. Precis som jag själv hävdat stÃ¥r samma saker att läsa i finländsak akademiska verk...</i> So firstly Finland has been covering up its alliance with Nazi Germany and it is not being discussed. But actually it is the fact that these same things are being discussed in Finland which proves him right. oookayy... I think I figured it out: the alliance *is* being discussed, but the Finns are covering it up by only discussing it in their secret language which nobody else understands! Arnstad writes on his blog:

Tuomioja skriver ocksÃ¥ att jag inte tagit del av finsksprÃ¥kig forskning i de delar som berör Finland. Helt korrekt.
Men framför allt skriver han att attackerna mot boken inte har tillräckligt grund. Precis som jag själv hävdat stÃ¥r samma saker att läsa i finländsak akademiska verk…

So firstly Finland has been covering up its alliance with Nazi Germany and it is not being discussed. But actually it is the fact that these same things are being discussed in Finland which proves him right. oookayy…

I think I figured it out: the alliance *is* being discussed, but the Finns are covering it up by only discussing it in their secret language which nobody else understands!

]]> By: aet75 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-221799 aet75 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 04:42:19 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-221799 #79: Sometimes somebody has to play the Devil's advocate, or we'd all just have to agree that we agree, turn off our computers, go out there, and live... ;) Have to say I'm glad that Phil brought this issue and this Mr. Arnstad into my attention. Having now followed the discussion in Sweden, it seems that in the end he actually did a favor to everybody to whom it matters if the Swedes know anything about Finland in WWII. Besides, it's good to be reminded every now and then NOT to suspend disbelief. #79: Sometimes somebody has to play the Devil’s advocate, or we’d all just have to agree that we agree, turn off our computers, go out there, and live… ;) Have to say I’m glad that Phil brought this issue and this Mr. Arnstad into my attention. Having now followed the discussion in Sweden, it seems that in the end he actually did a favor to everybody to whom it matters if the Swedes know anything about Finland in WWII. Besides, it’s good to be reminded every now and then NOT to suspend disbelief.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-220554 Anonymous Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:20:45 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-220554 What did really happen? Read these pages. www.winterwar.com It is one of the greatest sources of the Finnish Winter War. Hope the pages helps you understand better the war. Author's messages to all of you: These pages have been created purely out of a hobby and are unofficial and unpolitical! The site is intended to serve as an internet source for information about the Finnish - Soviet "Winter War", fought in 1939-1940. As it is impossible to prevent anybody to copy material from web sites, in case you copy any of my maps, sketches etc. to your web sites, please honor the time spent in making them, and print the source. Thanks! What did really happen? Read these pages. http://www.winterwar.com
It is one of the greatest sources of the Finnish Winter War. Hope the pages helps you understand better the war. Author’s messages to all of you:

These pages have been created purely out of a hobby and are unofficial and unpolitical!

The site is intended to serve as an internet source for information about the Finnish – Soviet “Winter War”, fought in 1939-1940.

As it is impossible to prevent anybody to copy material from web sites, in case you copy any of my maps, sketches etc. to your web sites, please honor the time spent in making them, and print the source. Thanks!

]]> By: Åboy http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-219342 Åboy Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:14:40 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-219342 ..and then of course he can't admit that he was wrong. ;) ..and then of course he can’t admit that he was wrong. ;)

]]> By: Åboy http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-219332 Åboy Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:09:19 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-219332 Even though Phil claims that he "loves" Finland he seems extraordinarily overeager to badmouth the country, very often jumping the gun with these Finland-bashers and totally taking their misinformed and ignorant side. In such trigger happiness Phil usually shoots himself on the leg though, as was again the case with this Arnstad-clown. Even though Phil claims that he “loves” Finland he seems extraordinarily overeager to badmouth the country, very often jumping the gun with these Finland-bashers and totally taking their misinformed and ignorant side. In such trigger happiness Phil usually shoots himself on the leg though, as was again the case with this Arnstad-clown.

]]> By: Zach http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-219250 Zach Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:15:51 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-219250 #77 Yeah, why Phil calls him a historian even though he is not a professional historian? He didn't know even the simplest facts such as the number of the Finnish victims. And how can he claim that Finnish front was unimportant? Does he really think that Germans thought that a front which is so close to Leningrad is unimportant? I think that if Finland hadn't joined Germany during the war Germany would have attacked to Leningrad through Finland or the soviets would have occupied Finland as fast as they could to prevent the German invasion to Leningrad. #77

Yeah, why Phil calls him a historian even though he is not a professional historian? He didn’t know even the simplest facts such as the number of the Finnish victims.

And how can he claim that Finnish front was unimportant? Does he really think that Germans thought that a front which is so close to Leningrad is unimportant? I think that if Finland hadn’t joined Germany during the war Germany would have attacked to Leningrad through Finland or the soviets would have occupied Finland as fast as they could to prevent the German invasion to Leningrad.

]]> By: Krisu http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-219041 Krisu Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:53:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-219041 Why did you call this man a historian? He is nothing of the like. He thinks he's breaking barriers and defying taboo, without knowing that this debate has been on-going for a long time. Can you believe this guy? At one point he says discusses the Finnish war-experience and says that 50 000 Finns perished. What? 100 000 Finns died during the wars! He also says that he was used as a Swede to be able to freely criticize and call into question ww2-related stuff. Has he been prohibited from doing so now? No. He is simply being shown how ignorant he is. Why did you call this man a historian? He is nothing of the like. He thinks he’s breaking barriers and defying taboo, without knowing that this debate has been on-going for a long time. Can you believe this guy? At one point he says discusses the Finnish war-experience and says that 50 000 Finns perished. What? 100 000 Finns died during the wars!

He also says that he was used as a Swede to be able to freely criticize and call into question ww2-related stuff. Has he been prohibited from doing so now? No. He is simply being shown how ignorant he is.

]]> By: prince of dorkness http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-218819 prince of dorkness Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:00:08 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-218819 @71, As 'the elimination of distinct nation states' would also apply to the 'one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all', isn't it a teeny tiny bit unpatriotic to advocate the demise of your nation? @71,
As ‘the elimination of distinct nation states’ would also apply to the ‘one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all’, isn’t it a teeny tiny bit unpatriotic to advocate the demise of your nation?

]]> By: JG http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-218771 JG Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:12:08 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-218771 From yesterdays Svenska Dagbladet, quite interesting article from a Swede with a bit more sense than Arnstad. http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/kultur/did_14211842.asp From yesterdays Svenska Dagbladet, quite interesting article from a Swede with a bit more sense than Arnstad.

http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/kultur/did_14211842.asp

]]> By: Turjake http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/comment-page-2/#comment-218661 Turjake Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:52:21 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/05/radio-free-finland-interviews-henrik-arnstad-this-afternoon/#comment-218661 [i]"What else do you think he got right?"[/i] The idea that the SU started the Cont War may be true in the sense that they started the hostilities (although even this is debatable), but to say (as many Finns say) that the Soviet attack in 1941 was as unscrupulous and illegal as their attack in November 1939 is really stretching it. Finland was de facto allied with Germany by that time, and the Soviets were well within their rights to attack Finland, because Finland was violating the Moscow Peace Treaty. Another matter is that I think Finns were well within their rights to attack the SU so as to regain the lost territories (but not more). I'm not at all ashamed at Finland's alliance with the Nazis; it was a good and rational decision for Finland to seek help from Germany at that time. [i]“What else do you think he got right?”[/i]

The idea that the SU started the Cont War may be true in the sense that they started the hostilities (although even this is debatable), but to say (as many Finns say) that the Soviet attack in 1941 was as unscrupulous and illegal as their attack in November 1939 is really stretching it.

Finland was de facto allied with Germany by that time, and the Soviets were well within their rights to attack Finland, because Finland was violating the Moscow Peace Treaty.

Another matter is that I think Finns were well within their rights to attack the SU so as to regain the lost territories (but not more). I’m not at all ashamed at Finland’s alliance with the Nazis; it was a good and rational decision for Finland to seek help from Germany at that time.

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