Comments on: Finland kept quiet and lied about its relationship with Nazi Germany http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:53:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: flyingscott http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-376216 flyingscott Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:13:21 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-376216 How many Finns served in the Nazi 11th Waffen SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland? Answer: many thousands How many Jewish, Russian, and many other groups did murder or starve to death in concentration camps? God only knows. Why does Finland hide its Nazi past? Is it from shame or is it from pride? Do Finns have any qualms about so many of their grand parents being found Nazi war criminals? Do they care? The information, the facts, are readily available in the Nuremberg trial records. Unfortunately for Finns, the Germans were careful record keepers. There is no "opinion" to believe or not. Just the plain cold facts. I don't think modern Finns care at all. Such thinking might disturb their ambiance. How many Finns served in the Nazi 11th Waffen SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland? Answer: many thousands

How many Jewish, Russian, and many other groups did murder or starve to death in concentration camps? God only knows.

Why does Finland hide its Nazi past? Is it from shame or is it from pride?

Do Finns have any qualms about so many of their grand
parents being found Nazi war criminals? Do they care?

The information, the facts, are readily available in the Nuremberg trial records. Unfortunately for Finns, the Germans were careful record keepers. There is no “opinion” to believe or not. Just the plain cold facts.

I don’t think modern Finns care at all. Such thinking might disturb their ambiance.

]]> By: Motti http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-373214 Motti Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:37:22 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-373214 Someone please stick an AK47 up Arnstads arse and let him smell the roses! Someone please stick an AK47 up Arnstads arse and let him smell the roses!

]]> By: Pekka http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-370025 Pekka Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:29:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-370025 That Arnstad is flake,a real foil hat with a digusting agenda to discredit Finland in order to smoothern Swedens own cowardly sins. Swedes founded the worlds first race-biological institute for Pseudo-scietific research, measured skulls and were very anti-semetic. They refused to help German, Norwegian and Danish Jews in the begining of the war and ones, that were caught on Swedish territory we send back to the Nazis to a certain death. The Swedes were slimey war profiteures, cowards and high on Nazi race policies. When it became evident in 1944 that the Gemans were smashed, they welcomed in Danish Jews that were saved but how many Jews were killed because Sweden betrayed them a few years earlier because of esthetical racism. Swedes are without morals and act only out of selfishness. They helped Jews at the end of the war only because Hitler was no longer a threat and to try better their image as opportunistic racists and cowards! That Arnstad is flake,a real foil hat with a digusting agenda to discredit Finland in order to smoothern Swedens own cowardly sins. Swedes founded the worlds first race-biological institute for Pseudo-scietific research, measured skulls and were very anti-semetic. They refused to help German, Norwegian and Danish Jews in the begining of the war and ones, that were caught on Swedish territory we send back to the Nazis to a certain death. The Swedes were slimey war profiteures, cowards and high on Nazi race policies. When it became evident in 1944 that the Gemans were smashed, they welcomed in Danish Jews that were saved but how many Jews were killed because Sweden betrayed them a few years earlier because of esthetical racism. Swedes are without morals and act only out of selfishness. They helped Jews at the end of the war only because Hitler was no longer a threat and to try better their image as opportunistic racists and cowards!

]]> By: Patriot http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-365200 Patriot Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:05:21 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-365200 Henrik go to russia you belong there commie maybe you get free great purge Henrik go to russia you belong there commie maybe you get free great purge

]]> By: Blank http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-351511 Blank Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:13:44 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-351511 During and before WW2 finnish airforce also used swastikas on their planes, so most likely pictures you've seen are of finnish aircraft. However it is true that Germany provided help for Finland in form of bombers and fighters, but i doubt you're father had anything to do with nazis. Take a look at wikipedia for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force During and before WW2 finnish airforce also used swastikas on their planes, so most likely pictures you’ve seen are of finnish aircraft. However it is true that Germany provided help for Finland in form of bombers and fighters, but i doubt you’re father had anything to do with nazis. Take a look at wikipedia for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force

]]> By: suzan http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-351505 suzan Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:54:34 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-351505 My dad who is deceased, and who was born in helsinki, has pictures of when he was 19 years old, infront of planes with swastikas. I,m so naieve about these things, because he never really talked about it, but I guess that means, he was helping the nazi,s. I don,t know. My brother said they were, but then they turned on Germany, after they found out what horrors where, being done, there. He was in uniform, in front of these pictures, with other men. Does anyone know, why. My dad who is deceased, and who was born in helsinki, has pictures of when he was 19 years old, infront of planes with swastikas. I,m so naieve about these things, because he never really talked about it, but I guess that means, he was helping the nazi,s. I don,t know. My brother said they were, but then they turned on Germany, after they found out what horrors where, being done, there. He was in uniform, in front of these pictures, with other men. Does anyone know, why.

]]> By: Clint http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-335265 Clint Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:53:21 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-335265 As much I like the Swedes they should clean their own house as far as WWII is concerned. Finns were fighting the Russians and no one helped them including Sweden. Besides like some had said earlier the Swedes let the Germans go through their country to rule and oppress their Nordic neighbors,Norway and Denmark. There is a story there. As much I like the Swedes they should clean their own house as far as WWII is concerned. Finns were fighting the Russians and no one helped them including Sweden. Besides like some had said earlier the Swedes let the Germans go through their country to rule and oppress their Nordic neighbors,Norway and Denmark. There is a story there.

]]> By: helena turunen http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-262871 helena turunen Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:58:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-262871 I am sad to hear that mr Arnstad is judging Finland for the events during the 2nd world war. From the swedish point of view I would imagine that keeping Finland finnish and not Russian would have been preferential . No doubt the world would be a different place today not only for the finns, but certainly for the swedes,as well, had Finland not done what it did.Its very easy to judge others when you are safe and well in your own cuckoon . Since the war, Sweden has always been the rich country in Scandinavia because of the neutrality which it enjoyed during the war, unlike its neighbours.Finland ended up having to pay war debts to Russia after the war which were only fully paid some years ago. Having lost huge parts of its lands and having to relocate large parts of its populations from cities and villages, unlike Sweden who never had to live with the horror of russian planes bombing their cities and losing loved ones like I lost my father who fought in the war and died when I was only young and left my mother widowed, I think mr Arnstad is lacking in understanding of the situation of the finnish people and the finnish government at the time.Its very easy to be judgemental when youre all right yourself. I know the swedes helped the finnish people a lot during the war, especially looking after refugee children,as we all know.The war was a dreadful part of all our history- there were so many victims everywhere and we are still paying the price in so many ways ,all of us who lost parents, brothers. I hope mr Arnstad bothers to read the amount of letters that people are sendind to this web site . Helena Raja {Pia} Bristol England I am sad to hear that mr Arnstad is judging Finland for the events during the 2nd world war. From the swedish point of view I would imagine that keeping Finland finnish and not Russian would have been preferential . No doubt the world would be a different place today not only for the finns, but certainly for the swedes,as well, had Finland not done what it did.Its very easy to judge others when you are safe and well in your own cuckoon . Since the war, Sweden has always been the rich country in Scandinavia because of the neutrality which it enjoyed during the war, unlike its neighbours.Finland ended up having to pay war debts to Russia after the war which were only fully paid some years ago.
Having lost huge parts of its lands and having to relocate large parts of its populations from cities and villages, unlike Sweden who never had to live with the horror of russian planes bombing their cities and losing loved ones like I lost my father who fought in the war and died when I was only young and left my mother widowed, I think mr Arnstad is lacking in understanding of the situation of the finnish people and the finnish government at the time.Its very easy to be judgemental when youre all right yourself. I know the swedes helped the finnish people a lot during the war, especially looking after refugee children,as we all know.The war was a dreadful part of all our history- there were so many victims everywhere and we are still paying the price in so many ways ,all of us who lost parents, brothers. I hope mr Arnstad bothers to read the amount of letters that people are sendind to this web site .

Helena Raja {Pia}

Bristol England

]]> By: aet75 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-221786 aet75 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 04:23:28 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-221786 In the end, now that the discussion has been taken up by real historians in Sweden, this Arnstad fellow did rise the awareness of Finlands situation during the latter stages of the war, and (hopefully) of the importance of being critically-minded in this cut & paste, opinionated, mass (mis)information world of ours. In the end, now that the discussion has been taken up by real historians in Sweden, this Arnstad fellow did rise the awareness of Finlands situation during the latter stages of the war, and (hopefully) of the importance of being critically-minded in this cut & paste, opinionated, mass (mis)information world of ours.

]]> By: gopha http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-216604 gopha Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:46:02 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-216604 Just some dickhead who obviously has a hard on for the Finns. Nothing to see here, move on. Just some dickhead who obviously has a hard on for the Finns. Nothing to see here, move on.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-216482 Anonymous Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:15:23 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-216482 Whoops... The blog link: <a href="http://balticbandit.spaces.live.com/" rel="nofollow">http://balticbandit.spaces.live.com/</a> Whoops…

The blog link:

http://balticbandit.spaces.live.com/

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-216481 Anonymous Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:14:00 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-216481 The Wikipedia page sure is busy. Here's a <a href="http://balticbandit.spaces.live.com/" rel="nofollow">blog in Swedish (naturally, deleted from the current page) that has some discussion regarding Mr. Arnstad's antics. How very fitting that we are discussing censorship, lies and coverups. :lol:</a> The Wikipedia page sure is busy. Here’s a blog in Swedish (naturally, deleted from the current page) that has some discussion regarding Mr. Arnstad’s antics.

How very fitting that we are discussing censorship, lies and coverups. :lol:

]]> By: Mikael http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-216347 Mikael Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:08:26 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-216347 I think that we have a conspiracy-theory on our hands! :D So what happened during the last ~26 hours? -Phil posts this article at 3:21 PM, sparking an outrage among his readers. -Phil decides that (or might have decided from before) that he wants Arnstad, as the controversial figure he is, to be on Radio Free Finland. -Arnstad accepts the offer and wants to have a look at Phil's blog where he then discovers the hard criticism that he faces. -Arnstad discovers that the posters have linked to Wikipedia to an article about him. -Arnstad discovers the footnotes and the criticism of his new book that has received harsh criticism from a several historians and other people who have studied the wars between Finland and Russia. -Fearing that this criticism from these historians might be used against him by Phil and his readers, Arnstad himself or a good colleague to him, at the newspaper Aftonbladet, deletes parts of the Wikipedia article, thereby breaking against the rules of Wikipedia. -The cover up is finished. -Phil's readers discover the cover up and the suspicion immediately starts to grow when one of them finds out that the evidence, after the cover up, is pointing towards Aftonbladet, a newspaper that Arnstad works for. To be continued... lol! I think that we have a conspiracy-theory on our hands! :D
So what happened during the last ~26 hours?

-Phil posts this article at 3:21 PM, sparking an outrage among his readers.
-Phil decides that (or might have decided from before) that he wants Arnstad, as the controversial figure he is, to be on Radio Free Finland.
-Arnstad accepts the offer and wants to have a look at Phil’s blog where he then discovers the hard criticism that he faces.
-Arnstad discovers that the posters have linked to Wikipedia to an article about him.
-Arnstad discovers the footnotes and the criticism of his new book that has received harsh criticism from a several historians and other people who have studied the wars between Finland and Russia.
-Fearing that this criticism from these historians might be used against him by Phil and his readers, Arnstad himself or a good colleague to him, at the newspaper Aftonbladet, deletes parts of the Wikipedia article, thereby breaking against the rules of Wikipedia.
-The cover up is finished.
-Phil’s readers discover the cover up and the suspicion immediately starts to grow when one of them finds out that the evidence, after the cover up, is pointing towards Aftonbladet, a newspaper that Arnstad works for.

To be continued…

lol!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-216231 Anonymous Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:07:02 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-216231 <i>The Wikipedia article I posted from (#19) yesterday has been re-edited. Now all the critisism is completely gone. Wow!</i> Curiously enough, the ISP whose IP the "improvement" came from has a huge advertising banner on the front page of www.aftonbladet.se. The Wikipedia article I posted from (#19) yesterday has been re-edited. Now all the critisism is completely gone. Wow!

Curiously enough, the ISP whose IP the “improvement” came from has a huge advertising banner on the front page of http://www.aftonbladet.se.

]]> By: Mikael http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/#comment-216193 Mikael Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:20:27 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/finland-kept-quiet-and-lies-about-its-relationship-with-nazi-germany/#comment-216193 The Wikipedia article I posted from (#19) yesterday has been re-edited. Now all the critisism is completely gone. Wow! The Wikipedia article I posted from (#19) yesterday has been re-edited. Now all the critisism is completely gone. Wow!

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