Comments on: Conscription For Jehovah’s Witnesses? No!! http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-227056 Finnpundit Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:25:03 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-227056 No, not an orgasm, but a sense of satisfaction nonetheless, as the UN provides <i>de facto</i> protection for terrorists. As moronic Finnish soldiers volunteer for such service, their elimination becomes all the more just. No, not an orgasm, but a sense of satisfaction nonetheless, as the UN provides de facto protection for terrorists.

As moronic Finnish soldiers volunteer for such service, their elimination becomes all the more just.

]]> By: Tomi http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-225829 Tomi Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:22:05 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-225829 <i>“Will do”, al-Pundy? When’s the invasion coming, do you think?</i> In his fantasies the invasion will come from another direction, from the USA. It goes without saying that in his "plan" the weaker the Finland's army, the better for his yankees. Besides, the idea of masscred Finns gives him an orgasm. This is how he goes when he comes: "Hooray! I’m glad to hear a Finnish UN soldier is dead." (http://www.finlandforthought.net/?p=5656 - post 70) He also has regular meetings with the CIA and the Republicans - well, at least when he hasn't taken his medication, I guess. "Finnpundit" is a co-editor of this blog, by the way. “Will do”, al-Pundy? When’s the invasion coming, do you think?

In his fantasies the invasion will come from another direction, from the USA. It goes without saying that in his “plan” the weaker the Finland’s army, the better for his yankees. Besides, the idea of masscred Finns gives him an orgasm. This is how he goes when he comes: “Hooray! I’m glad to hear a Finnish UN soldier is dead.”
(http://www.finlandforthought.net/?p=5656 – post 70)

He also has regular meetings with the CIA and the Republicans – well, at least when he hasn’t taken his medication, I guess.

“Finnpundit” is a co-editor of this blog, by the way.

]]> By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-225813 Finnpundit Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:51:14 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-225813 31. Ah, well, a good sign that a Finn has lost an argument is when they've resorted to profanity to make a point. 31. Ah, well, a good sign that a Finn has lost an argument is when they’ve resorted to profanity to make a point.

]]> By: born in the U.S.A http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-225129 born in the U.S.A Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:29:15 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-225129 ""Ah, born in the a-hole here again and still he hasn’t learned to spell yet."" Comment by Anonymous — Tue, Dec 5th, 2006 @ 10:27 pm Yes you better stay anonymous.....porky Cracker “”Ah, born in the a-hole here again and still he hasn’t learned to spell yet.”"

Comment by Anonymous — Tue, Dec 5th, 2006 @ 10:27 pm

Yes you better stay anonymous…..porky Cracker

]]> By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-225085 Freeridin' Franklin Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:21:30 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-225085 <i>I’m British and I find this whole debate bizarre.</i> I'm Finnish and so do I, although for different reasons. <i>You all go on about us sending our troops to Iraq etc, yet we’re not the ones who force our young people to join the armed forces.</i> Of course, this issue is completely separate from conscription. It does not make a difference whether illegal wars are waged by conscripts or professional soldiers, they are still equally illegal. As Pundy has aptly pointed out, civilian populations in democratic countries with conscription are less likely to support senseless, immoral and illegal wars. It's only that Pundy feels that this is a bad thing. Now, last time I checked, GB was an island with a population of nearly 60 million that was last conquered in 1066, whereas Finland is a country of 5 million that shares a 1200 km land border with Russia and with a history to match that. Incidentally, no-one is forced to join the armed forces. Civil service is an option as well. I’m British and I find this whole debate bizarre.

I’m Finnish and so do I, although for different reasons.

You all go on about us sending our troops to Iraq etc, yet we’re not the ones who force our young people to join the armed forces.

Of course, this issue is completely separate from conscription. It does not make a difference whether illegal wars are waged by conscripts or professional soldiers, they are still equally illegal. As Pundy has aptly pointed out, civilian populations in democratic countries with conscription are less likely to support senseless, immoral and illegal wars. It’s only that Pundy feels that this is a bad thing.

Now, last time I checked, GB was an island with a population of nearly 60 million that was last conquered in 1066, whereas Finland is a country of 5 million that shares a 1200 km land border with Russia and with a history to match that.

Incidentally, no-one is forced to join the armed forces. Civil service is an option as well.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-224026 Anonymous Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:51:18 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-224026 I meant #31 not #32 I meant #31 not #32

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-224025 Anonymous Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:50:42 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-224025 #32 My point exactly, thank you ALWNGL #32

My point exactly, thank you ALWNGL

]]> By: a lamb with no guiding light http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-222767 a lamb with no guiding light Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:06:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-222767 "Will do", al-Pundy? When's the invasion coming, do you think? In any case, you once again fail to understand the issue (probably because you're not very smart). The issue isn't whether a country should be able to force its young people to join the armed forces, because no country is opposed to that. The issue also isn't whether a Finnish conscript army can repeal a Russian invasion, since a Russian invasion would lead to conscription regardless of how the peace time military is organized. The real question is whether it's a good idea to train young people in fighting skills in times of peace. Countries like Finland and Israel think it is, because conscription is a way for a small nation to maintain a relatively large fighting force without going bankrupt. You disagree, because you're an ass who's entirely unable to see the merit in anything that's done in Finland but not in the United States. So it goes. “Will do”, al-Pundy? When’s the invasion coming, do you think?

In any case, you once again fail to understand the issue (probably because you’re not very smart). The issue isn’t whether a country should be able to force its young people to join the armed forces, because no country is opposed to that. The issue also isn’t whether a Finnish conscript army can repeal a Russian invasion, since a Russian invasion would lead to conscription regardless of how the peace time military is organized.

The real question is whether it’s a good idea to train young people in fighting skills in times of peace. Countries like Finland and Israel think it is, because conscription is a way for a small nation to maintain a relatively large fighting force without going bankrupt. You disagree, because you’re an ass who’s entirely unable to see the merit in anything that’s done in Finland but not in the United States. So it goes.

]]> By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-220859 Finnpundit Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:29:15 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-220859 The contemporary Finnish conscript army will do nothing in the face of a Russian invasion: today's Finns are nothing like their grandfathers back in 1939, though they like to imagine that they are. John is quite right. Let young people do what they want without having the state interfere. The contemporary Finnish conscript army will do nothing in the face of a Russian invasion: today’s Finns are nothing like their grandfathers back in 1939, though they like to imagine that they are.

John is quite right. Let young people do what they want without having the state interfere.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-220778 Anonymous Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:04:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-220778 #28 Come educate us when you have 1000 km shared border with Russia and only 5 million citizens. Or will you volunteer to give us billions for our new uber-duber mercenary army. Here's some advice STFU #28

Come educate us when you have 1000 km shared border with Russia and only 5 million citizens. Or will you volunteer to give us billions for our new uber-duber mercenary army. Here’s some advice STFU

]]> By: John http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-219258 John Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:19:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-219258 I'm British and I find this whole debate bizarre. You all go on about us sending our troops to Iraq etc, yet we're not the ones who force our young people to join the armed forces. Get into the 21st century. It's shocking that a country like Finland still allows this to happen. Here's some advice - let young people do what they want at 18 without having the state interfere. I’m British and I find this whole debate bizarre. You all go on about us sending our troops to Iraq etc, yet we’re not the ones who force our young people to join the armed forces. Get into the 21st century. It’s shocking that a country like Finland still allows this to happen. Here’s some advice – let young people do what they want at 18 without having the state interfere.

]]> By: hopeatikari http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-217948 hopeatikari Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:41:45 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-217948 agree with #7, because we are now so so on equality. Then why the heck do we have this gender separation, there are women who want to go to army and male who don't why not switch. As said there is many other risk not only war natural disasters, nuclear plants plowiing up in russia etc. agree with #7, because we are now so so on equality. Then why the heck do we have this gender separation, there are women who want to go to army and male who don’t why not switch. As said there is many other risk not only war natural disasters, nuclear plants plowiing up in russia etc.

]]> By: Johannes http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-216587 Johannes Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:44:50 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-216587 Finnish alternative service doesn't have anything to do with the army nor any religious organization. Going into civil service shouldn't be a problem for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Finland. Finnish alternative service doesn’t have anything to do with the army nor any religious organization. Going into civil service shouldn’t be a problem for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Finland.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-216550 Anonymous Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:27:46 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-216550 Ah, born in the a-hole here again and still he hasn't learned to spell yet. Ah, born in the a-hole here again and still he hasn’t learned to spell yet.

]]> By: Maureen http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-216542 Maureen Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:54:27 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/12/04/conscription-for-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-216542 Jehovah's Witnesses, cannot by conscience participate in any type of military service, for any country, and are jailed because of these beliefs. http://www.jw-media.org/region/africa_middle_east/eritrea/english/releases/conscientious_obj/eri_e050929.htm So regardless of whether a country makes military service mandatory for Witnesses, or not, none will serve. However, in some countries, Witnesses are allowed, instead, to take part in community service, such as road construction, cleaning hospitals or cleaning schools. If these activities are not connected with any other religious organization and are not in any way objectionable to the consciences of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have often done this in lieu of military service. Jehovah’s Witnesses, cannot by conscience participate in any type of military service, for any country, and are jailed because of these beliefs. http://www.jw-media.org/region/africa_middle_east/eritrea/english/releases/conscientious_obj/eri_e050929.htm
So regardless of whether a country makes military service mandatory for Witnesses, or not, none will serve.
However, in some countries, Witnesses are allowed, instead, to take part in community service, such as road construction, cleaning hospitals or cleaning schools. If these activities are not connected with any other religious organization and are not in any way objectionable to the consciences of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have often done this in lieu of military service.

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