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1. I’m not sure if it was meant to be a joke or was it just a comedy writer showing his or hers ignorance. Either way, this clip was pretty funny to me.

   Comment by un-tero — Thu, Nov 30th, 2006 @ 9:31 pm

2. Well i guess Geena Davis know what and where Finland is. She’s still in contact with her friends here altouhg they haven’t been together with Harlin for ages.

   Comment by Plasma — Thu, Nov 30th, 2006 @ 9:42 pm

3. The film was made in 1988. Geena probably hadn’t met Renny yet. But she lived in Sweden as a teenager and still speaks Swedish. I think it was meant as a joke. I love those yodeling Finnish girls in the snow. The Finnish tourist board should make ads like that.

   Comment by Erik — Thu, Nov 30th, 2006 @ 9:59 pm

4. Hahah finns do not yodel, nobody in the nordic yodels, its Switzerland and Austria… Americans and geography!!!

   Comment by The Swede — Thu, Nov 30th, 2006 @ 10:45 pm

5. I think one of those Yodelers was Denise Richards.

   Comment by Phil — Thu, Nov 30th, 2006 @ 11:03 pm

6. You just see Denise Richards everywhere

   Comment by Pave — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 12:55 am

7. I can’t believe it but I once watched it all the way through. What was I smoking

   Comment by Blah — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 12:56 am

8. Finland is not the capital of Norway?

   Darn, those California girls were so cute.

   Comment by winter — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 1:18 am

9. I know something about Finland. People from Finland are making disasters in South America. Your people want to put 2 highly contaminating plant in Uruguay. Finland people suborning uruguayans for making MY COUNTRY a worst country. You make me sick. Who do you think you are? I know european people and know how they think. Hipocrites. Example: http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=289374&IdxSeccion=100799
   http://www.ellitoral.com/index.php/diarios/2006/11/30/politica/POLI-01.html

   Comment by cesar — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:24 am

10. “Your people want to put 2 highly contaminating plant in Uruguay…”

    Höh, I live few km’s away from such a plant in Oulu. No problems whatsoever, give or take few smelly days, when they have problems with the bleaching process. These plants nowadays are not what they used to be 50 years ago. Don’t buy all the scheisse the Greenpeace et al. is trying to feed you. Probably the plant is not going to be any worse than the one next door to me, so what is exactly hypocritical?

    Sure, it’s business of your country and Uruguay. Finnish people have no will nor means to shove the plant down to your throat, if you and the Uruguayans decide otherwise.

    Comment by antti (the redneck one) — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 9:30 am

11. I’ve been to the Metsä-Botnia plant in Kaskinen several times.

    Pretty nice.

    Where people there got the idea, that we’re about to destroy the earth is amazing… well, there’s a political fight going on down there & twisted facts about MB/environmental issues are being used again as a blunt instrument.

    From HS: “In 2004 Metsä-Botnia invited journalists from Uruguay and Argentina to visit Finland in 2004 when the project was in its early stages. At that time only one Argentine journalist showed up.

    This time there were top-class journalists from both national and local newspapers in Argentina, and from Argentine television. Metsä-Botnia was pleased with the trip. Aldo Leporati, who handles public relations for Metsä-Botnia in Argentina, said that the journalists came to Finland expecting to find pollution, but saw that there was none.

    “On the other hand, they will certainly write things that are not helpful, and fail to mention things that might be beneficial. Argentina is in the midst of a war, in which Botnia is the evil one. It is not possible to say suddenly, that it is good”, Leporati ponders.”

    http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Mets%C3%A4-Botnia+gives+Argentine+journalists+tour+of+Finnish+pulp+industry/1135219992153

    http://www.metsabotnia.com/en/

    - a resident of Ostrobothnia, Finland (the capitol of Norway)

    Comment by FinnFreak — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 9:49 am

12. The Swede wrote: Hahah finns do not yodel, nobody in the nordic yodels,

    But do the Jews yodel? I’d look into it, if I were you.

    cesar wrote: Your people want to put 2 highly contaminating plant in Uruguay. Finland people suborning uruguayans for making MY COUNTRY a worst country.

    We thought about doing it to the Paraguayans, but decided that they were too nice to subject to the horror of having a lumber mill in their country. Besides, those Paraguayans are pretty macho, nothing like the sissy Uruguayans who can be suborned at will.

    Comment by a lamb with no guiding light — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 1:26 pm

13. Hey Lamby: In Paraguay you can find everything (guns, technology, cars). Perhaps Bin Laden lives there (Yankees say that). Are you doing vikingo’s things today? Or nazi stuff? Do you know that if you start to walk (from Buenos Aires) to the south, Temperature decreases? Yes. Believe me.
    And Antti (the redneck one): Your people dont do bad things in her homes. You can say and show me looking glasses, But the true is that europeans dont think in the things that YOUR enterprises do in countries like Argentina. Tell me why the people of Pontevedra (Spain) are complaint about the plant. Foreign people doing bad things to my country. Thats what you are.
    http://papeleras.blogspot.com/2005/12/por-qu-se-manifestaron-los-apicultores.html
    http://papeleras.blogspot.com/2006/01/carta-de-pontevedra.html

    Comment by cesar — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 3:40 pm

14. @cesar

    Botnia is a private enterprise, the general people of Finland don’t have nothing to do with the company and what I have heard they are using the same technology that they use here in Finland (I would rather be more worried about the eucalyptus plantations than the “minimal” polution that the paper mill will and might cause.)

    Read what Antti wrote in #10, all though I heard that the colonialist super power Finland is prepared to send in the stormtroopers if you don’t do as we say. Prepare to be F’d in the A (sarcasm if you didn’t get it)

    Comment by Blah — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:11 pm

15. *people. I meant *public

    Comment by Blah — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:12 pm

16. to lamb: well I dont care if they yodel or not, I guess they dont though, theres no money in it!

    Comment by The Swede — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:29 pm

17. cesar wrote: Are you doing vikingo’s things today? Or nazi stuff?

    I’m heading out later and while a spot of pillaging is not out of the question, I’m feeling more like rounding up all the Jews - with “The Swede’s” eager help, of course. I’ve been told that you can tell them apart by their constant yodeling.

    Tell me why the people of Pontevedra (Spain) are complaint about the plant.

    It’s difficult to say. We Finns have lumber mills all over the place and they haven’t destroyed the environment yet, aside from those bird species, but they were ugly anyway. As for the mutations, really, think of them as providing variety to the human form.

    Comment by a lamb with no guiding light — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:53 pm

18. I love having a extra limb or two. It’s really *handy, get it?

    Comment by Blah — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 5:12 pm

19. 17: I think you left out some things, so let me add them:

    Everyone in the world seem th think then there are polar bears running amok in the streets of Helsinki. That is not the case.

    They actually are ordinary brown bears who have been drinking the bleached waste waters from the pulp factories which have sprung up on almost every corner of every Finnish city. These bears look a lot like polar bears, so the mistake is understandable.

    Every river in Finland is filled with white foam from these factories and sometimes - usually in the winter time - the white foam even falls from the sky. You can see the same foam in many American TV shows and movies. This is because we have so much of this foam that we have started to export it to other countries as fake snow. It looks remarkably like real snow so the mistake is understandable.

    Comment by Fat Bastard — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 5:25 pm

20. Swede: well I dont care if they yodel or not, I guess they dont though, theres no money in it!

    Jews don’t need to yodel. The Americans yodel for them.

    Comment by Kristian (in Espoo) — Fri, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:44 pm

21. “Are you doing vikingo’s things today? Or nazi stuff?”

    Well, here is a typical picture of Finland. We have to wear gas masks all the time and shoot all newborns to Sweden with a railway gun to ensure national survival…

    Seriously speaking, I don’t see any point for MB to build a new plant deliberately using old, inefficient and polluting technology. It depends on local regulations then to what extent they have to clean the waste waters. That’s how it works here. The companies don’t refrain from contaminating us becouse our blond hair, blue eyes and being european, but because we force them to do so.

    Besides, there is a strong feedback loop here, as the Helsinki-based paper company CEO’s and other high officials practically have to drink their factories output in the tap water.

    Comment by Antti (the redneck one) — Sat, Dec 2nd, 2006 @ 12:39 pm

22. Post #11 “Where people there got the idea, that we’re about to destroy the earth is amazing… well, there’s a political fight going on down there & TWISTED FACTS about MB/environmental issues are being used again as a blunt instrument.”

    “Twisted Facts.” I like it. Looks like Finland is receiving the same treatment in the press in Uruguay as the U.S. receives in the Finnish press. Only one angle of the story is reported and the facts are twisted. It’s about time.

    Here’s another. Post #11 “On the other hand, they will certainly write things that are not helpful, and fail to mention things that might be beneficial.” Exactly the same strategy Hesari follows when reporting on the U.S. How interesting!

    Comment by Anonymous — Sun, Dec 3rd, 2006 @ 12:55 am

23. #22

    The only thing is that we haven’t provenly tortured people nor we have passed a law that approves that. Nor we fight an aggressive war against another nation whose dictator “only” managed to kill 100 000 unlike USA with it’s track record of 600 000. Neither have we refused to cut back our polution unlike some other countries.
    Don’t know what’s so positve on those things well maybe faux news will tell you otherwise.

    Besides that, Hesari is very USA positive if you read the opinion articles that they print.

    Comment by Anonymous — Sun, Dec 3rd, 2006 @ 1:15 pm

24. Forcing Russian soldiers to the point where they are so hungry that they begin to eat each other is not torture?!!!

    I would rather be the mid tier in a man pyramid at Abu Graib prison than be forced to eat, or be eaten, by one of my comerades. Forced cannibalism is torture. Frat party hazing is tasteless, but it’s not torture.

    The fact that you believe that the US has killed 600000 and that Saddam has killed 100000 is evidence that you were exposed to twisted facts and weren’t smart enough to question them.

    America has been cutting back on pollution since the early 1970s. Another fact that you evidently weren’t aware of. Stop drinking the Kool Aid and start thinking for yourself.

    I don’t read the opinions in the Editorial section. I read the opinion articles passed of as news on the front page.

    Comment by Anonymous — Mon, Dec 4th, 2006 @ 6:38 am

25. Well, the russians were not exactly invited here and is it our fault, if they go to war of their choice, far away, deep in the wintertime and with inadequate supplies?

    I guess the Americans were formally invited by Mr. Chalabi.

    Some people died in Abu Ghraib with a plastic bag over their head, suffocated by their own blood. Heck of a frat party.

    Comment by antti (the redneck one) — Mon, Dec 4th, 2006 @ 9:19 am

26. #24

    I suggest you stop drinking that Kool Aid and turn off the faux news as your comment just now showed your incredible supidity.

    I’m surprised that you can even read. Go back to school dumbass

    Comment by Anonymous — Mon, Dec 4th, 2006 @ 2:17 pm

27. So apperantly it okay to starve people to the point of cannibalism if it’s done in your own country. I see, now it all makes sense.

    “Some people died in Abu Ghraib with a plastic bag over their head, suffocated by their own blood.”

    This is true. Saddam had many inventive ways of killing his political prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

    Comment by Anonymous — Mon, Dec 4th, 2006 @ 9:29 pm

28. “So apperantly it okay to starve people to the point of cannibalism if it’s done in your own country. I see, now it all makes sense.” (27)

    Well, the Russian soldiers in question were not prisoners, they were part of the fighting forces that had invaded Finland - poorly equipped, as it turned out. Do you mean the Finns were supposed to feed them when they were attacking us?

    I guess we should have provided them with proper accomodation as well, to avoid any frostbites.

    Comment by anon — Mon, Dec 4th, 2006 @ 10:34 pm

29. “This is true. Saddam had many inventive ways of killing his political prisoners at Abu Ghraib.”

    I’m talking about the dead guy with cpl.Graner.

    Comment by Antti (the redneck one) — Mon, Dec 4th, 2006 @ 11:37 pm

30. #27

    Seriously stop before you make yourself sound even more idiotic. I am certain now that you sir are a F’n stupid ignorant asshole. Seriously go to study, educate yourself and use your fucking brains even if you get splinters from all that hard “thinking”.

    Comment by Anonymous — Tue, Dec 5th, 2006 @ 1:30 pm

31. So cutting off the the food supply to soldiers in the middle of the winter and surrounding them as to not let them LEAVE is not imprisoning them? That makes sense. No walls were built, they weren’t given a number, or prision rations for that matter; so they couldn’t possibly have been “imprisioned”. I’m sure that some them were ex cons dreaming about prison food as they lay starving to death.

    And what about all the Finnish soldiers murdered by other Finns for desertion? I guess they were murdered in Finland in the great outdoors so it’s okay. They were privileged to have their brain blown to bits all over Finnish soil by their fellow countrymen.

    Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 6th, 2006 @ 3:15 am

32. #31

    Yes we know you are dumb. Why do you insist on proving it further.

    Go and educate yourself, please before it is too late

    Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 6th, 2006 @ 2:03 pm

33. 32. You cannot defend yourself so you resort to insults and expletives.

    Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 6th, 2006 @ 3:39 pm

34. #33

    I can defend myself but you’re not worthy of any intellignet debate nor are you capable of having one. I am just decending to your level of intelligence as everyone who has read your idiotic comments about torture and such, agree with me that you are an class A moron and that there is no need for having a debate with you as every comment you make are false and moronic.

    Idiots deserve idiotic comments.

    I am willing to have a discussion with you after you have grown some brains.

    Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 6th, 2006 @ 4:13 pm

35. All I want explained to my brainless head is why it is okay to starve Russians to the point of cannibalism but crass frat party antics against enemey combatants are crimes against humanity. “Abu Ghraib” conjures images of naked man pyramids and naked men on leashes wereas the “Winter War” conjures images of Finns starving Russians to the point of cannabilism.

    Which one is worse than the other and why? I don’t have a problem with what the Finns did. I do have a problem with the rampant hypocrasy in Finland. They critisize what everyone else, especially the US, does; but when the Finns do the same thing it’s explained away and many times actually celebrated.

    Comment by Anonymous — Wed, Dec 6th, 2006 @ 9:13 pm

36. Read what Antti and anon have written here and go fuck yourself as you are the only hypocrit here.

    And apparantly logically impaired at that one too. Seriously you can’t be that stupid or are you willfully being a fucking idiot.

    As I said, get yourself a pair of brains and use them.

    If you excuse me I’ll go hazzle some prisoners, (oh sorry enemy combatants) until they suffocate in their own blood or maybe I’ll just sodomize them and after that put them in a freezer until they either die out of the cold or suffocation

    Comment by Anonymous — Thu, Dec 7th, 2006 @ 1:01 am

37. Basiclly say Antti and Anon are saying it’s okay to be brutal in their situation, but it’s not okay if someone else is doing it.

    In every war there is horrific an inexcusable acts by individual soldiers or groups of soldiers and they should be punished for those acts that go over the line. I hear read them complaining about Corpral Graner who happens to be one man out of a million + military. There is bad apples in every barrel.

    Why are they writing about one alleged murderer and ignoring the large scale organized murder by starvation and execution, of Russians and fellow Finnish deserters?

    Why? Because they are hypocrites. They cannot be intellectual hones t because that would require them to think that they are no better than anyone else in the western world.

    Comment by Anonymous — Thu, Dec 7th, 2006 @ 2:17 am

38. Well, OK, I admit being a hypocrite, iff you look at the world from the Kantian viewpoint. That is, you are not allowed to lie to Gestapo, because lying is wrong. On the other hand, they wouldn’t have Gestapo in Kantian world…

    From the practical viewpoint I still claim there is a difference. None of the dead Iraqis was probably going to participate a victory parade in Washington. Or in transporting 20000 intellectuals and officers to be shot at Katyn forest (Leave the officers out and Winter would love it.) Iraq was no threat to very existence of U.S. and it’s people.

    In few words, I shot the sheriff, but I swear it was in self defence.

    Comment by antti (the redneck one) — Thu, Dec 7th, 2006 @ 9:28 am

39. First of all they were enemy soldiers who were armed, I doubt that you would have volunteered to go and ask them if they would surrender ( nor did the russian soldiers have a much of a chance to surrender as their hands were tied by stalins men who had the power to execute generals if they wanted to).

    After some of them were captured (when enough time went by so that the Finns didn’t have to worry about their heads being blown away by superiorly armed army who outmaned them 10 to 1) and surrendered they became prisoners of war. Finns didn’t ran electrical current through their balls or some other form of torture after that.

    And sure there was lack of food in the prisoners camps but what do you do when you barely have enough food to feed your own people. (some of the war prisoners worked in Finnish farms and had quite a happy life and didn’t want to leave after the war ended as they knew what fate they were facing back in CCCP).

    Now it is different as americans in Iraq (an aggressive war on foreign soil miles away from america) have tortured people after they have become prisoners (=people who have no means to defend themselves) and by the way it’s quite hard to believe in your bad apple theory as your president (I’m assuming you’re american) has practically legalisized the use of torture.

    Okay so in short the soviet soldiers (=people who were part of an aggressive war which means were to annex Finland and send hundreds of thousands of people in to death camps in Siperia) who starved and froze to death in Finland were first of all armed (=people who have means to defend themselves) in a situation of war. The Iraqies in prisons like Abu Ghraib are prisoners (=people who have no means to defend themselves) in a situation where they are no longer part of an actual war.

    Get it? Or shall we play a game where I’ll try to “hazzle” you as you put it while you are armed with a machinegun.

    Comment by Anonymous — Thu, Dec 7th, 2006 @ 12:51 pm

40. What’s the difference between an aggressive war and a regular war?

    Starving people have no means to defend themselves. They had to choices; be starved to death or be slaughtered by Finns hiding in the woods when they tried to leave. The Finns could of given them food and kept them where they were.

    The Americans bombed the Serbs in a aggresive war on foriegn soil miles away from America. Was that was okay with you? I’ll bet you were all for it. And the Serbs were absolutely no threat to America, unlike some elements in Iraq. You are not being consistent, except in your hatred of Bush.

    Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Dec 8th, 2006 @ 3:16 am

41. #40

    Sorry I give up on you. You seriously are a fucking moron if you can’t see the difference between prisoners and fighting soldiers.

    I suggest you take your head out of your ass and think a little as you seem to be only consistent in your idiocy.

    And about that hatred towards bush, yeah you got me there I hate stupid people like you and Bush. The fact that you support that incompetent fool tells a lot about you (so does your comments about torture and war).

    Now hurry back to your faux news as you are beyond help. I have tried to educate you about the difference but apparently you are either a brainwashed idiot or an idiot by choice.

    I do have one last wish until I leave you here with your idiotic comments and arguements… please do a favor for humanity and don’t breed.

    Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Dec 8th, 2006 @ 3:48 pm

42. Anonymous wrote: Basiclly say Antti and Anon are saying it’s okay to be brutal in their situation, but it’s not okay if someone else is doing it.

    Others saying that in a war it’s okay to conduct siege warfare and not okay to torture prisoners. You say siege warfare is just the same as torturing prisoners and intently ignore any attempt to enlighten you as to their differences.

    There is bad apples in every barrel.

    The US torture of prisoners is pretty darn systematic and based on guidelines set down by the somewhat misleadingly named Department of Defense.

    Comment by a lamb with no guiding light — Fri, Dec 8th, 2006 @ 4:17 pm

43. Leave the idiot alone. He is only trying to justify the use of torture with this silly little strawman that is so brittle that even an infant baby can blow it away.

    There is no use in educating this logically impaired individual as he is not willing to learn nor does he want to.

    I tried, you tried. We would get farther if we were to educate a caveman about quantum mechanics than with him about the difference of torture and siege warfare.

    Comment by Blah — Fri, Dec 8th, 2006 @ 4:44 pm

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