Morons R Us
@ 7:24 pm 
When scanning Finnish journals for information on how Finns think about the Lebanon crisis, there is an odd lack of commentary on any kind of alternative interpretation to the recent decision on Finland’s part to deploy more troops in southern Lebanon. For all the grand talk of taking part in a peace mission, the reality on the ground is that Finnish troops, - as all troops in UNIFIL – are providing cover for Hezbollah as human shields while Hezbollah rearms.
There’s absolutely no debate in Finland regarding that. There are only immensely self-congratulatory assessments as to the nobility of so-called “peacekeepingâ€Â, and the righteousness of Finland’s pro-UN policies.
As Hezbollah rearms under the noses of UNIFIL, and as a confrontation with Iran is looming over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Lebanon will once again become a war zone. As there are no plans for evacuation of these troops in case of war, it is clear that they are intended to be used as human shields, thus becoming collaborators with terrorists. As such, they become legitimate targets for eradication.
Seeing these young morons line up for duty becomes all the more incredulous, as it’s pretty obvious they really do not know for what purpose their leaders are using them. And how could they know, given the lack of debate?
Seeing these young morons line up for duty becomes all the more incredulous, as it’s pretty obvious they really do not know for what purpose their leaders are using them.
At first, I thought you were talking about the young morons who are now fighting in Iraq. I guess I should have looked at the author of this article before making such a presumption.
But, I do agree that Finnish soldiers don’t really belong in Lebanon.
Comment by Kristian (in Espoo) — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
…and when you call soldiers at Iraq ‘morons’ (or are perceived to do so) you pretty much kill your chances to ever be president at USA.
And the idea of peacekeeping - on this occasion - is to keep up peace while Lebanese government increases its presence on the area, offering medical facilities and showing its military presence… in essence, doing what Hezbollah has been doing the past ten, twenty years. Also, as the recent war probably drained much of the sympathy the local civilians had toward the organisation.
Peacekeeping is a temporal solution, as the the idea is to reinforce the status quo till permanent solution is implemented. It isn’t very dramatic, but it usually works.
Comment by iJusten — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
Finnpundit: As such, they become legitimate targets for eradication.
“Eradication”? Come on, Pundy. At least _try_ to avoid sounding like a B-movie Nazi.
Comment by a lamb with no guiding light — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 7:49 pm
So FinnPundit, you bring your Pro Israeli anti everything else BS from your own blog to pollute an otherwise interesting and thought provoking blog. Well good for you.Sorry Phil, just don’t get off on this kind of junk. As I said previously to you Finnputzit, wait until the powers that be are sitting in dark rooms negotiating a disengagement from Iraq with the Hezbollah and Iranian government. Will that make them “legitimate targets for eradication too?” Oh…….. WMD’s, they were in North Korea all the time and soon to be in Iran. Pity your so called intelligence didn’t find them there.
Comment by Anonymous — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 8:31 pm
Human shields they are. Even the UN admits that Hezbollah is rearming and that they are doing nothing to stop it. There will be more fighting in the near future and the question is what are the peacekeepers on the groud going to do? I think they will be more apt to shoot as the Israelis. That does not include the Finns who I think will shoot at nobody.
This situation is the result of the ‘Intelligent’ European community rushing to stop the conflict, without addressing any of the issues at hand. So in addition to the two kidnapped Israeli hostages, they too are pretty much hostage to Hezbollah’s next moves. The question is how many will wind up dead, all for the cause of radical Islam.
This time the fighting will probably include a coup of the Government. That will pretty much make no part of the country safe. Thank you Syria and Iran.
Comment by Fred Fry — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 8:37 pm
Although I’m strongly pro-Israeli and think that Hizballah and the Arab world have been very good at taking cover behind the UN I still don’t think that a soldiers duty is to question the orders given by a democratically elected government (the same goes for example for the American and British soldiers in Iraq).
So calling our finnish soldiers for “morons” is not only stupid but also extremely hypocritical, FinnPundit, or do you follow in the footsteps of Kerry and call them idiots too?
Yes - there’s a lack of public debate, but it’s sure as hell not the soldiers’ problem.
Comment by Mikael — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 8:48 pm
Mikael wrote: do you follow in the footsteps of Kerry and call them idiots too?
Oh, Pundy is way past calling them idiots. He thinks it’s fine to kill them. “Legitimate targets for eradication” was the phrase the loon used.
(It should also be noted that Kerry didn’t call American troops idiots; he botched a Bush joke.)
Comment by a lamb with no guiding light — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 9:53 pm
#3:
“Come on, Pundy. At least _try_ to avoid sounding like a B-movie Nazi.”
Whatever happened to “to thine own self be true”?
Comment by Kimmo W. — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 9:55 pm
The only achievement Finland has made, in the stupid and corrupt U.N.handling of current prelude to further bloodshed in Lebanon, is construction of a hot Sauna!
Comment by inFINNdel — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 10:23 pm
If sending peacekeepers to South Lebanon is to the liking of the leaders of Iran, it might be quite a pragmatic move on the part of Finland - at least considering how US policy has helped the Mullahs consolidate their power in the Middle East.
Newsweek has a very interesting analysis by Howard Fineman on the subject:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15730489/site/newsweek/
“We didn’t like the fact that socialist revolutionaries overthrew the Persian monarchy in the 1950s; the CIA successfully replaced that regime with a re-established Shah of Iran. Some 30 years later, the revolutionaries struck backâ€â€only this time they weren’t secular socialists, but Muslim fundamentalists. Jimmy Carter lost the presidency as a result; George W. Bush is mired in the region as a result.”
And if Phil’s evil twin alter-ego FinnPutz, or whatever he/she calls him/herself wants to debunk it, the fact that the source was not FauxNews or some other knee-jerk US Republican mouthpiece is not enough.
Comment by Kimmo W. — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 11:05 pm
Fi
Comment by The Swede — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 11:16 pm
Finnpundit is a jew… end of story!
Americans shouldnt bash the UN, you forced Saddam to obey the UN, and when he did, USA violated the UN regulations and started a war in Iraq based on Lies… americans and jews (same thing) should STFU!
Comment by The Swede — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 11:18 pm
#12
You shouldn’t be so hard on Israel - and certainly not the Jews (not the same thing, by the way). They were basically goaded into the fool’s errand in South Lebanon by the Bushies - the current holders of their pursestrings, without realising what a formidable opponen Hizbollah has turned into:
http://www.exile.ru/2006-August-25/gophers_by_tko.html
Comment by Kimmo W. — Thu, Nov 16th, 2006 @ 11:23 pm
6. I still don’t think that a soldiers duty is to question the orders given by a democratically elected government (the same goes for example for the American and British soldiers in Iraq).
I agree completely. However, American and British soldiers volunteer to join the army, but they don’t really control where they’re going to be sent.
What distinguishes these Finnish soldiers is that they’re all volunteering for duty in UNIFIL: all Finnish UN “peacekeepers†are volunteers. And that makes them quite moronic, as they haven’t a clue as to what they’re really expected to do.
11. Finnpundit is a jew… end of story
It figures some Nordic anti-Semite would eventually express the bigotry that lies in the hearts of all Nordic countries. It’s not surprising in the least.
For the record, I’m not Jewish, nor do I have any relations who are.
But thanks, Swede, for letting Americans see how Nordics really think.
Comment by Finnpundit — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 12:29 am
Didn’t Israel sign that cease fire thingy and agree to let the peacekeepers in? So how come they are “legitimate targets”?
Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 2:17 am
Number 11….or The Swede
Obviously you’re a Skinhead and you’d of liked to suck Hitler’s one remaining ball.
If Himmler was alive you’d probably be buttbopping him.
Long Life God’s Chosen People!!!!
Comment by It's Me — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 4:37 am
Dear Swede,
We are all Jews.
Don’t close your eyes or we’ll make you a Jew too:)
P.S.
Look behind you.
Comment by Fred Fry — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 4:48 am
My God, it’s a marriage made in heaven - I think I’ll gladly leave this steaming heap of a post to evil little Finnpundit and The Swede…
Comment by mjr — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 6:15 am
It figures some Nordic anti-Semite would eventually express the bigotry that lies in the hearts of all Nordic countries. It’s not surprising in the least.
You defend a (rather unkind) attack on yourself by resorting to calling all the Nordic countries anti-semitic. Do you not see the irony in the that?
Comment by JG — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 8:15 am
Exactly, Phil got it absolutely right! There is nothing to add to his observations.
Comment by alo — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 9:18 am
@the Swede,
get with the program, the people you’re supposed to hate now are the Muslims. The Jews have qualified as honorary members of the White Western World at least since 1967, arguably even 1956. Muslim-bashing is fun, and you can claim the moral high ground by calling others anti-semite (see Finnpundit’s posts for pointers - the guy even regards criticism of America as motivated by antisemitism).
Comment by prince of dorkness — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:48 am
Long live Hezbollah.
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Comment by Boyle — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:51 am
The next time someone calls a person who sympathises with the Palestinian or Arab point of view in the Mideast conflict an anti-semite, it’s worth pointing out the dictionary definition of a “Semite”:
“1.a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.”
Comment by Kimmo W. — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
Israel attacked Lebanon in full cooporation with the US (read 3-time member of the Knesset Uri Avnery: “The Real Aim” http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1152991173/) as a prelude to US-Iran war. But the recent lost vote int he US changed everything.
Read largest Israeli newspaper Haaretz.com daily and you will find there the real aim of the whole US/Middle East Politic between the lines.
Only after everything went wrong in South Lebanon Israel was deperate to get UN troops to stop it. Now complaining that the enmy is rearming is only natural, in a war there are two sides. But Israel is used to think otherwise.
Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 12:08 pm
Israel attacked Lebanon in full cooporation with the US (read 3-time member of the Knesset Uri Avnery: “The Real Aim” http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1152991173/) as a prelude to US-Iran war. But the recent lost vote in the US changed everything.
And read largest Israeli newspaper Haaretz.com daily and you will find there the real aim of the whole US/Middle East politics between the lines.
Only after everything went wrong in South Lebanon Israel was deperate to get UN troops to stop it. Now complaining that the enemy is rearming is only natural, in a war there are two sides. But Israel is used to think otherwise.
Comment by Merian — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
I still want to know if you, Finnpundit, are just hypocritical or do you really think that the American soldiers that are going to Iraq are “morons” and “idiots” too as they’re just following the orders of their democratically elected government?
Is it so that, everytime soldiers are sent out by their government, those who feel “used” by the government should refuse to follow orders as they would otherwise be “morons lining up for duty” and become “legal targets for eradication”?
I think not.
Comment by Mikael — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 12:18 pm
Phil..why do you allow such tripe by Finnpundit to be posted on your web site?
Someone might think that by giving him this platform/soap box that you support his views.
At least you should post a disclaimer.
Comment by Karhu — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
I propose to pull out all these peace keepers, close the borders, and let all them bone-headed fools in the middle east get on with openly slaughtering each other with all weapons they have. Hopefully that will teach them a lesson that living together in peace and harmony is better than living according to “an eye for an eye” where they think one party can only gain when the other one has to loose.
Comment by alexbafana — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
Dear Merian,
Stop smoking crack.
By the way, Democrats attack countries too. Clinton had:
- Somalia 92-93
- Haiti 94
- Bosnia 95
- Serbia 99
He also bombed Iraq the whole time he was in office.
If we want to Iran Iran we will, or will arrange for our ‘partners in Peace’ to do it for us. Its easy, they give us no end of excuses to do it, especially their current maniac in chief.
Comment by Fred Fry — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
I propose to pull out all these peace keepers…. Hopefully that will teach them a lesson that living together in peace and harmony is better than living according to “an eye for an eye†where they think one party can only gain when the other one has to loose.
It’s a good idea. I support removing all ‘peace keepers’, unconditionally. But, for middle easterners to truly achieve a state of “living together in peace”—or at least relative peace—America and Britain need to stop their manipulation of governments in the region. Obviously, that means removing all military troops and bases.
Comment by Kristian (in Espoo) — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 3:17 pm
Remove all the peacekeepers and stop the World Food Program from taking over the responsability to feed 20% of the world. That is the responsability of Governments. The world can use a little tough love.
Comment by Fred Fry — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 6:02 pm
>America and Britain need to stop their manipulation of governments in the region.
Comment by alexbafana — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 6:49 pm
Likewise Syria and Iran must stop manipulating.
Comment by alexbafana — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 6:50 pm
Finnpundit wrote: American and British soldiers volunteer to join the army, but they don’t really control where they’re going to be sent.
Finnish UN peacekeepers, on the other hand, make command decisions about where UN forces are to be sent all the time. And that’s what makes them “legitimate targets for eradication”. Yeah.
Comment by a lamb with no guiding light — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 7:08 pm
All this war…its population control…life is great…you dont like war ? dont breed more kids like yourself…then, no war.
what a day it will be when the radicle muzzies will show finland who their daddy is… and again..it s the jews that did it…its the americans that did it…allah hu KABOOOM.. YEH, THEN WHAT WILL YOU SAY ?
its the jews, its the jews…amazing how many stupid fins there are…oh, but wasent finland russia ? yeh…finns are russians . sorry i forgot…
long live…who ever lasts !!!
life is great with war or without
Comment by born in the u.s.a — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 7:24 pm
Deploying the UN troops is indeed a tremendous benefit to Israel’s enemies. Just wait until the bombs start falling again, killing UN troops and the world starts yelling at Israel to stop. Iltasanomat reports that “Finland declares war on Israel” and Israel’s sole supporter, the US, is forced to level with the rest of the world - and terrorism prevails.
Comment by Mikko Sandt — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
“Remove all the peacekeepers and stop the World Food Program from taking over the responsability to feed 20% of the world. That is the responsability of Governments. The world can use a little tough love.”
Didn’t you Americans just try that in Iraq? You tried your “fuck the UN, we go along and do whatever we want”. The result is one huge humanitarian disaster, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and all-out civil war going (over 1000 casualties PER WEEK). Baghdad is surrounded and divived by all kinds of militias, US troops being there sitting ducks for the snipers. Where is the flowers, Fred?
Comment by tim73 — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 8:48 pm
Well the jews want Europe to hate muslims, its in their interest, look at the US Iraq war architects… Wolfowitz, Perle, Wurmser, Kristol, Feith… coincidentally they are all jews… man what are the odds? Oh and look at the PNAC crew… almost all are jews aswell, man talk about coincidence… And remember the Danish cartoon thingy by the dane Fleming Rose? coincidentally he is a jew and a close friend to Daniel Pipes the Ultra neocon jew in America…
Maaan what are the odds?
AIPAC spy rings… nahhh I wont continue!
//The Swede
Comment by The Swede — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 10:48 pm
#15
Gods chosen people? according to whom? Oh you jews see yourself as gods chosen people I see, and god gave you Israel, well to enlighten you a bit, jews are not gods chosen people, god doesnt like theft and murder… trust me! And The UN gave the jews Israel… now go sue somebody Goldstein! Sue Austria or Germany so they dont forget the hollycaust…
//Swede
Comment by The Swede — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:00 pm
Well, I understood they are sending a pioneer company down there, so the guy’s statement of work is to rebuild and clean up the mines and cluster bombs until the next round. Perhaps saving a leg or two of some kid or something, but the ragheads won’t count, I guess.
It’s ungrateful job actually. Locals don’t like checkpoints and Pasis driving around their villages, but what the heck. Winter would have had a field day for several months, if “the leaders of the world” would have skipped this one.
Why not bomb the scheisse out of the ‘morons’ of the Red Cross and Médecins sans Frontières etc. on the same bankruptcy then. I bet they offer also plenty of human shielding opportunities by their presence in crisis areas.
Comment by Antti (the redneck one) — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:07 pm
Phil your blog is getting nuttier and nuttier commenters. I think I’ll take a break for a while and hope that finnpundit, the swede, born in the u.s.a and others with mental problems disappear or get back on medication…. Like thats going to happen.
Bye
Comment by Blah (the original) — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:12 pm
Supporting Israel because of religion, like “It’s Me” seems to be doing, is perverted and sick. Israel can and should be defended with rational arguments. Besides, a consistent Christian should believe that Jews go to Hell.
Comment by Mikko Sandt — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:18 pm
Swede, I think that your inputs would be more valued at sites meant for KKK, jew-haters, neo-nazis, extremist rightwingers and nationalists, islamists… but not here. In other words would I recommend Stormfront or sites like it for you - go and take your racist crap overthere instead - have a nice day.
Comment by Mikael — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:22 pm
Finnpundit, my questions (number 6 and 25) are still open for answers, and I honestly hope that you’ve got some mature and damn good answers to them.
Comment by Mikael — Fri, Nov 17th, 2006 @ 11:36 pm
Born in the USA:
From observing your syntax and grammer and your ability to string together a sentence, I would guess that you are educated in the USA, too.
I am rather embarrassed by the fact that most of the English-as-a-second-language crowd have a much better grasp of the language than the native Americans. Ouch.
Comment by Nipsu — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 12:30 am
42. I’ve already answered, in 13. You’re belaboring the point, and it’s actually a bit interesting, in a way. It reminds me of those stubbord Finnish peasant talonpojat of old, who simply couldn’t accept that things were so, when they were so. Ei, älähän nyh!
Is it so that, everytime soldiers are sent out by their government, those who feel “used†by the government should refuse to follow orders as they would otherwise be “morons lining up for duty†and become “legal targets for eradication�
As I said earlier, which you’ve ignored: Finnish soldiers are volunteering for UNIFIL duty in southern Lebanon. UNIFIL has an unclear mandate as to its purpose, but they are being interpreted as, essentially, willful human shields for terrorists, by those who oppose terrorism.
If these Finnish soldiers don’t realize that this interpretation exists in the world, then they are morons, as that interpretation is certainly prevalent in internationally accessible media. The knowledge of that would perhaps color their choices as to volunteering for UNIFIL duty.
The fact that such interpretations have not penetrated Finland’s Main Stream Media speaks of some unofficial “firewalls” in place, amongst all those who control Finnish media as a whole. They are ultimately to blame, then, when these soldiers die while trying to protect terrorists.
Comment by Finnpundit — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 7:08 am
When the next Finn dies for Hezbollah, you will not get any sympathy from the US.
You guys need to be in Darfur, where a million folks are being killed, not protecting known killers.
You guys are pathetic. Your priorities are way off, and you think this deployment will actually help these killers come clean, get real, they are using you.
Now give your troops some sunscreen and send them back to Cyprus.
Comment by winter — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 7:56 am
Ah, the lovely face of American conservatism…
Comment by mjr — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 11:17 am
Finnpundit wrote: UNIFIL has an unclear mandate as to its purpose
The UNIFIL website says: “Following the July/August 2006 crisis, the Council enhanced the Force and decided that in addition to the original mandate, it would, among other things, monitor the cessation of hostilities; accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the south of Lebanon; and extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons.”
It doesn’t seem that unclear to me, but then again, I’m not looking at it through the eyes of someone with a fanatical hate of UN peacekeepers, Muslims, Europeans in general, Finns in specific, and music expos.
Finnpundit wrote: they are being interpreted as, essentially, willful human shields for terrorists [...] If these Finnish soldiers don’t realize that this interpretation exists in the world,
That’s a nice use of the passive to present your nutty viewpoint, Pundy. Lots of interpretations exist in the world. I bet one or two would make you a “legitimate target for eradication”. Are you a moron if you don’t consider yourself a legitimate target for eradication?
that interpretation is certainly prevalent in internationally accessible media.
See, now you’re just lying.
Finland’s Main Stream Media speaks of some unofficial “firewalls†in place
REPORTER #1: “There’s this dude on the Web who says Finnish UNIFIL troops are ‘legitimate targets for eradication’. What do you say we print this obvious truth on the front page?”
REPORTER #2: “Nah, can’t do that. Remember the ‘firewall’.”
Finnpundit wrote: They are ultimately to blame, then, when these soldiers die while trying to protect terrorists.
I realize you’re really looking forward to it, but you should know that their deaths are not quite preordained yet. Betcha dollars to donuts more Americans will die in Iraq during the next week than Finns in Lebanon during your lifetime. I’ll refrain from doing my Nelson Muntz impression here.
Comment by a lamb with no guiding light — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 12:12 pm
About 60% of all UN peace-keeping operations have been successful. Not bad actually. Even if the figure was below 50% I think the responsible part of the world - excluding the winters and finnpundits, that is - should give it a try unless it obviously was a mission impossible.
Comment by Anonymous — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
Finnpundit: “Hooray! I’m glad to hear a Finnish UN soldier is dead.”
http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/26/finnish-observer-killed-by-israeli-bombs-at-un-post-in-lebanon/
post #70
The only question that remains is whether Pundy is ready to take action, go and kill himself, or are the fantasies of massacred Finns enough.
Way to go Phil, more Finnpundit here in “your” blog!
Comment by Anonymous — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 2:10 pm
44. I apologize for not seeing your answers earlier.
And I do agree that the whole mission isn’t in any way anything of a success as the UN forces won’t help hunting down the terrorists even if they are right under their noses. But what they should do and shouldn’t is decided in the UN headquarter in New York.
As you said; American and British soldiers volunteer for the army and don’t control where they are going to be sent, but does this mean that those who volunteered for the army after the war in Iraq begun were some sort of morons too?
Comment by Mikael — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Quote: When the next Finn dies for Hezbollah, you will not get any sympathy from the US
You guys need to be in Darfur, where a million folks are being killed, not protecting known killers. /Endquote
you guys? didnt you know that the UN is an organization? USA is also a member of this organization…so you are really blaming your own country aswell!
Stupid yanks… man I hate them, so damn STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by The Swede — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 3:13 pm
I apologize for not seeing your answers earlier. And I do agree that the whole mission isn’t in any way anything of a success as the UN forces won’t help hunting down the terrorists even if they are right under their noses.
No need to apologize. We should probably discard any talk over “hunting down the terrorists.†It should be noted that there are two sets of terrorists here:
—First, we have the reactionary group, Hezbollah, which launches rockets into civilian populations to ‘demoralize’ them.
—Second, we have the states of United States and Israel, which drop bombs from airplanes and launch rockets into large civilian populations to ‘demoralize’ them.
If destruction of civilians is the basis upon which we identify the ‘real’ terrorists, then United States and Israel are uncontested winners. And if UN deployment helps to minimize that damage, then it’s certainly not misguided—whether it helps Hezbollah or not.
We should also remember that this is happening in the context of a struggle—for control—over a significant portion of the world’s energy supplies. There are huge corporate winnings at stake—primarily American and Israeli.
Clearly, terrorist-tactics are used on both sides of this conflict. Instead, we should concentrate on the political impact of UN involvement. If UN involvement inadvertently stands in the way of US/Israeli plans to dominate the Middle East, then I don’t have a problem with that—actually, I don’t care either way. But, I do question whether Finland should take-part in that role.
Comment by Kristian (in Espoo) — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
Clearly, terrorist-tactics are used on both sides of this conflict.
At least John Bolton’s argument at some point was that Hezbuallah’s terrorist tactics are unacceptable because they do not represent a legitimate government. Now, if Hezbuallah merged their firecracker troops with the Lebanese army, everything would be hunky dory. But these things are prone to change, of course.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
winter:
When the next Finn dies for Hezbollah, you will not get any sympathy from the US.
I wonder who elected you to represent American public opinion, winter. As to sympathy from you personally, I don’t believe that you are capable of such a thing any more than you are capable of producing two consecutive coherent sentences in the English language.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 4:57 pm
You guys are pathetic.
Your only deployment to save the world is to save a bunch of Thugs who attacked and kidnapped Israel solders who were guarding their own boarder.
You guys are truly EU Politically Correct pathetic.
Comment by winter — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Your only deployment to save the world is to save a bunch of Thugs
You’d rather have us wayving white flags? Damned if we do, damned if we don’t,apparently.
I guess it’s quite pointless to try to explain what a pioneer company does, especially to an accomplished armchair general such as yourself.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sat, Nov 18th, 2006 @ 8:35 pm
I thinks Israel is a dangerous country and that Hezbollah has right to resist Israel occupation.
Comment by someone — Sun, Nov 19th, 2006 @ 3:31 am
“You’d rather have us wayving white flags? Damned if we do, damned if we don’t,apparently.”
It is fun to sit on the sidelines and criticize, just like a Finn. Can you give me more?
Kofi asked Bush to go fix Darfur. Bush turned him down, and now 1 million are dying. Again it is fun to sit on the side. Can we do this more often?
Sadam had 600,000 Iraq’s killed and put in mass graves. This is well documented. But do we hear one peep from the PC EU types? Well no, that would not be fun to sit on the sidelines and criticize Sadam, just like a Finn.
Comment by winter — Sun, Nov 19th, 2006 @ 6:36 pm
Sadam had 600,000 Iraq’s killed and put in mass graves.
The problem with Saddam’s atrocities is that he committed most of them with full US support. I’m sure Faux N00z tends to omit that little fact.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Nov 19th, 2006 @ 6:54 pm
The problem with Saddam’s atrocities is that he committed most of them with full US support.
And Finnish support.
Comment by Finnpundit — Sun, Nov 19th, 2006 @ 7:02 pm
I don’t remember Finland giving chemical weapons to Iraq like US did
Comment by Anonymous — Sun, Nov 19th, 2006 @ 7:29 pm
And Finnish support.
And French and German, for sure. Finns certainly were taking advantage of the juicy building contracts. I don’t remember there being actual arms contracts, or supplying of sarin precursors, but I wouldn’t rule that out either.
Someone used linear interpolation to determine the number of Iraqi lives saved by the U.S.-led invasion. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. If it did, I’d support the invasion fully on humanitarian grounds.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Nov 19th, 2006 @ 8:44 pm
NIPSO,,,you dont like the way i inet type in text ?…good, may be that will teach your russian-finnish…(samething) a lesson…dont type like me…russian ? finnish ? ahh its the same thing…to me fins are just drunker russians… hahahahah…listen,,,if you dont like war keep your nose out of it…fin,rus ? same thing to me…all red
Comment by born in the u.s.a — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 12:30 am
Lots of Americans volunteered for the Iraq war without knowledge about what they were getting into. And there are also a lot of different views about the conflict. Morons?
Comment by m — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 3:05 pm
#65
one word. Idiot, even though this is insulting to idiots as born in the a-hole is clearly dumber than a rock
Comment by Anonymous — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 6:10 pm
66. Of course not. Americans know that they’re not expected to serve as human shields for terrorists.
Comment by Finnpundit — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
PHIL. STOP LETTING THIS DONKEY POST ON YOUR BLOG
Comment by anon — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 9:53 pm
finnpundit.
a. finnish soldiers going to lebanon are volunteers.
b. you’re wrong. they aren’t there to give hezbollah time to re-arm itself. they are there to stop isreal from bombing more people with uranium bombs
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1935945.ece
c. israel has been making regular fly-overs into lebanese airspace since the war
d. hezbollah buys it’s weapons from iran and syria, so what? israel gets them for free from the US. like going into a store and getting everything duty free, no charges. meanwhile, the UK is STILL paying back the states for the weapons it bought during WW2.
e. since the UN put a stop to that war, israel has now been busy in gaza. i believe it’s over 100 people dead there now.
f. stop reading selective news you fascist.
Comment by racists need to be shot — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 10:00 pm
Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention.
Hezbollah signed a treaty with Isreal almost a year before the war. In it, they agreed not to target civilians in case violence erupted.
Hezbollah then kidnapped 2 soldiers.
Israel then happily went and murdered 1,200 people. - civilians.
So finnpundit, use that fiercely corrupted logic of yours, and somehow argue yourself out of that one.
Please, I’ll wait for your answer.
The fact of the matter is that Israel occupies the Shebaa farms. This is LEBANESE land.
Hezbollah is not fighting for Iran or Syria. They buy weapons from them.
Hezbollah is fighting for unity in Lebanon, and for equality for shi’ites. If you would actually read anything about the middle-east in between your fascist rantings, you would know that the Lebanese constitution left out the shi’ites.
So Hezbollah is a legitimate political movement, that is also concerned with getting it’s land back from Israel.
They do not target civilians until Israel does so, and they are not a terrorist group.
Go listen to Hassan Nasrallah please, before you embarass yourself further. It is clear that at the end of the day, you are another angry westerner who thinks that ‘they hate us for our freedom’.
Comment by racists need to be shot — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 10:10 pm
Let’s kill all Americans in Finland! Starting with those whose name is Phil.
What do you say? Pretty heavy stuff. Eh? Eh?
Now, do you let me post my own posts here, too?
Comment by Seiskari — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 10:11 pm
What I meant to say was: Because we Finns are superior, why not kill those Americans in Finland who don’t understand this simple fact (torture optional)? It seems fair to me.
Comment by Seiskari — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 10:33 pm
#73
Now now Seiskari you are commiting a crime by suggesting that. I don’t know if finnpundit lives in Finland or not but if he does he might be prosecuted for what he has said here (similiar things that you just said but only about Finns and other Europeans)
Ps. I know you were being sarcastic
Comment by Blah — Mon, Nov 20th, 2006 @ 11:31 pm
“Hezbollah signed a treaty with Isreal almost a year before the war. In it, they agreed not to target civilians in case violence erupted.
Hezbollah then kidnapped 2 soldiers.”
I think that statement pretty much says it all.
Damm I hate it when you make my points for me.
Comment by winter — Tue, Nov 21st, 2006 @ 12:05 am
“Hezbollah signed a treaty with Isreal almost a year before the war. In it, they agreed not to target civilians in case violence erupted.
Hezbollah then kidnapped 2 soldiers.â€Â
and there are the types of folks Finland supports?
Damm, hope you all never support the USA. Don’t want to be part of the group you all like.
Comment by winter — Tue, Nov 21st, 2006 @ 4:35 am
Aaaah Winter. I forgot you aren’t the most intelligent of fellows. But lest I am mistaken, they were at war, and lest I am mistaken, soldiers are not civilians. This would make Israel the one that killed civilians first, ie. breaking the treaty.
Let’s not kid ourselves any longer. We know why they attacked Lebanon all of a sudden despite the fact that these border skirmishes occur all the time.
They did it to wipe out Hezbollah, because when the day arrives when Israel aids the US in its attack of Iranian sites, they do not want to have the possibility of another front opened up right in their backyard. Hezbollah wouldn’t have anything to lose, and they will surely divert much of the attention from Iran to the Israeli border, and that’s dangerous for Israel.
In George Galloway’s words, you can name all the Israeli soldiers taken, but not a single Lebanese or Palestinian one. Nor a single name of the civilians killed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQFrBrmaQBY
Also, feel free to educate yourself a little Winter:
http://ifamericansonlyknew.org/
Comment by racists need to be shot — Tue, Nov 21st, 2006 @ 10:56 am
“Don’t want to be part of the group you all like”
And you still frequent here while not partying with the sailors, C’mon
Comment by antti (the redneck one) — Tue, Nov 21st, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
partying with the sailors,
is reserved for Friday nights, with rum.
Comment by winter — Tue, Nov 21st, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
partying with the sailors,
is reserved for Friday nights, with rum.
I think my ideal night out drinking would be Thursday night with winter, Phil, antti (the redneck one), Hank W., - and hfb, - to keep telling us what jerks we all are.
It’d be at the Kämp, and I’d be buying, of course, provided that we’d all have dessert at hfb’s place, with cognacs.
Comment by Finnpundit — Wed, Nov 22nd, 2006 @ 6:04 am
I think my ideal night out drinking would be Thursday night with winter, Phil, antti (the redneck one), Hank W., - and hfb, - to keep telling us what jerks we all are.
Hah, you’re the only real jerk around. I often disagree with Phil and with some of the rest, but they don’t have fantasies of wars, cannibals and massacred Finns like you do. That makes Phil interesting and you crazy. See? And why on earth do you think they’d let you out for a get-together in Kämp? Why don’t you just have those “Republican meetings” with Napoleon and your other mates?
(Then again, when Phil makes a madman his “co-editor”, it makes one wonder …)
Comment by Tomi — Wed, Nov 22nd, 2006 @ 9:48 am
It is cold here in Maryland. That requires the Sauna to be fired up, and the beer supply made cold.
The rum will have to wait for summer.
Comment by winter — Wed, Nov 22nd, 2006 @ 4:47 pm
81. Sorry, but, you’ll still not be invited.
Comment by Finnpundit — Wed, Nov 22nd, 2006 @ 7:59 pm
“PHIL. STOP LETTING THIS DONKEY POST ON YOUR BLOG”
What is wrong with you people, the lot of you? Are you in denial or just dumb?
Try to understand. It’s really quite simple. Phil lets this “donkey” post here because HE AGREES WITH HIM!!! Phill loves controversy, but he is smart enought to know that some of his view’s are a wee bit too radical (insain) for most of us to fully understand, so when it comes to middle east stuff, he lets finnpundit do the talking for him.
Cut and dry. That is it.
Comment by BigRedJohnson — Sat, Nov 25th, 2006 @ 1:26 am
84. Wrongo, BigRedJohnson. As I understand it, Phil very much disagrees with me on the wars in the Middle East. So there goes your theory.
Comment by Finnpundit — Sat, Nov 25th, 2006 @ 4:34 am