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1. The dialogue where the guy gets fired is pretty “finnish”

   Comment by Hank W. — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 11:26 am

2. And all the other scenes with violence and blood very American

   Comment by Boyle — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 12:47 pm

3. Great! Really advanced students can also use the video: say the same phrases with some other, non-Tampere, dialect

   Comment by Anonymous — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 12:49 pm

4. I prefer the Ostrobothnian dialect…

   “…no voi saatananristuksentähären…”

   Comment by FinnFreak — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 12:59 pm

5. same in savo: “no voe suattanaristtuksetähee”

   Comment by Boyle — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 1:17 pm

6. That gun part wasn’t very finnish. With knife that scene would be just right.

   Comment by somegyu — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 3:19 pm

7. ou yeah!!!

   Comment by -ulvilalainen- — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 3:57 pm

8. I think I have some of this memorized already. Why is it always so easy to memorize the bad words.

   Comment by giustino — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 6:57 pm

9. Noo, the correct reply to “What the fuck are you looking at?” is “Exactly”. Apropos, if some big guy taps your shoulder on nakkari queue at 3am, the correct reply is “Ei ole banaaneja.”

   “Why is it always so easy to memorize the bad words.”

   I have been considering about sending following to Niksi-Pirkka:
   Do you forget the passwords of your worplace systems during the summer vacation. Change your passwords to various obscenities and you won’t forget them while out of office.

   Comment by Antti (the redneck one) — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 7:40 pm

10. Now I know why they told me “vittuu” so many times..

    Comment by GP — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 9:08 pm

11. That gun part wasn’t very finnish. With knife that scene would be just right.

    This was more than mildly amusing at times, while other times it missed its mark completely. And what’s with using words like “niggah” (for äijä) and “bitch” (for muija) in the translation? Do the makers of this piece subscribe to some kind of an outlandish Out of Africa-theory regarding the much-disputed origin of the Finnish people? All in all, Finns tend to lack sensitivity regarding some words in English. Most of the time I enjoy Finnish political incorrectness, such as having no reservations about crackcking Nazi jokes in the company of Germans or Austrians, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

    In addition to the firing scene - we are indeed a nation of hundreds of thousands of Donald Trumps when it comes to firing people - another distinctively and genuinely Finnish part was the ending: road rage on a practically empty road.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 9:39 pm

12. crackcking

    Oh fer chrissakes, I’ve been reading too much winter. The complete works of Shakespeare are beckoning me from the bookshelf.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Fri, Sep 22nd, 2006 @ 9:41 pm

13. Learn Amerika, part I:

    http://www.wasteoftechnology.com/images/articles/wrestling/sounds/borga.wav

    Comment by Z — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 1:22 am

14. Freeridin: “Now is the winter of our discontent…”

    Comment by nipsu — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 4:57 am

15. I didn’t remember that “perkele” was such a versatile word. Of course, I moved to the States before Junior High, the age in which swearing becomes an art form.

    I do remember learning all the swear words and clearly remember when my mother found out what I’d learned. She literally washed my mouth out with soap—vile, industrial strength pine scented soap. Is this something most Finnish mothers do, or was I just that lucky? Always wanted to ask.

    Comment by nipsu — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 5:53 am

16. “She literally washed my mouth out with soap—vile, industrial strength pine scented soap. Is this something most Finnish mothers do, or was I just that lucky? Always wanted to ask.”

    Yep, cleaning or threatening to clean the foul mouth with pine soap (mäntysuopa) is something that most of my generation, born in the late 60’s, is familiar with.

    Not that it would have been effective, as can be noted by studying the postings of yours truly. But like they say, poor man’s cursing is not a curse, it’s a prayer.

    Comment by Antti (the redneck one) — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 11:58 am

17. If I made a similar video using African-American actors, and gave it the title “Learn English from niggaz in da hood” do you think I might be accused of racism?

    Why is it that presenting negative stereotypes of white people is always perfectly OK but presenting the same stereotypes of black people is never acceptable?

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 8:33 pm

18. Comment by Freeridin’ Franklin:
    “This was more than mildly amusing at times, while other times it missed its mark completely. And what’s with using words like “niggah” (for äijä) and “bitch” (for muija) in the translation? Do the makers of this piece subscribe to some kind of an outlandish Out of Africa-theory regarding the much-disputed origin of the Finnish people?”

    Using American ghetto nigger slang was just a joke. Usually people don’t ask questions like, “What’s the point with this joke?” Either you find the joke funny or you don’t. It’s that simple.

    “All in all, Finns tend to lack sensitivity regarding some words in English.”

    And English-speaking people have absolutely no balls at all. That’s why they are hysterically afraid of using words that somebody somewhere might find offensive.

    “Most of the time I enjoy Finnish political incorrectness, such as having no reservations about crackcking Nazi jokes in the company of Germans or Austrians, but you have to draw the line somewhere.”

    Where exactly?

    Do you really think using American ghetto nigger slang in the English translation was politically incorrect?

    Do you work for the Thought Police?

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 8:43 pm

19. “Why is it that presenting negative stereotypes of white people is always perfectly OK but presenting the same stereotypes of black people is never acceptable?”

    Slavery and all else aside, the point is the guy(s) presenting the stereotypes. It’s ok for white people to stereotype themselves, and blacks to stereotype themselves. Simple as that.

    Comment by Passer-by — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 8:44 pm

20. “Slavery and all else aside,”

    Why would negro slavery, which ended six generations ago in America, be relevant in Finland today?

    “the point is the guy(s) presenting the stereotypes. It’s ok for white people to stereotype themselves, and blacks to stereotype themselves.”

    And why would it be like that?

    Black Americans commit murder seven times more often per capita than white Americans. This is a fact. Why would it be politically incorrect for white people to point out this objective fact just because the idea that black commit crimes more often than white people do happens to be a stereotype?

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 10:03 pm

21. “Black Americans commit murder seven times more often per capita than white Americans. This is a fact. Why would it be politically incorrect for white people to point out this objective fact just because the idea that black commit crimes more often than white people do happens to be a stereotype?”

    Well, you can point out whatever you want, but it’s just stupid. Do you really think that their bigger murder rates have anything to do with their “race”? Exactly. Then why do you have to bring their skin color in the discussion in the first place?

    Comment by Passer-by — Sat, Sep 23rd, 2006 @ 10:44 pm

22. “Well, you can point out whatever you want, but it’s just stupid.”

    And why would it be stupid?

    “Do you really think that their bigger murder rates have anything to do with their “race”? Exactly.”

    Yes, of course they do. Different racial/ethnic groups have different crime rates because of genetic and cultural aspects.

    “Then why do you have to bring their skin color in the discussion in the first place?”

    It’s not about skin colour, it’s about meaningful statistical categories. Asking what skin colour has to do with crime is like asking what the Y chromosome has to do with rape.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 12:06 am

23. “Yes, of course they do. Different racial/ethnic groups have different crime rates because of genetic and cultural aspects.”

    …

    Wrong. They have different crime rates because of their different positions in the society. We could study for example the crime rates among the poor alcoholics in Helsinki. Now they must be whopping compared to the Finnish society as a whole. So, it’s like that because of their “genetic and cultural aspects”? Then why aren’t other Finns so busy stabbing each other even when they have same genes and culture?

    Comment by Passer-by — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 12:18 am

24. “Why would negro slavery, which ended six generations ago in America, be relevant in Finland today?”

    Because it’s relevant in America and we have imported their culture?

    “Black Americans commit murder seven times more often per capita than white Americans. This is a fact. Why would it be politically incorrect for white people to point out this objective fact just because the idea that black commit crimes more often than white people do happens to be a stereotype?”

    Wanna know how many more times per capita white people make white collar crimes compared to black people? Would anybody laugh at a comedy piece that made fun of white people’s tendency to commit tax evasion?

    Comment by Pave — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 3:26 pm

25. Wanna know how many more times per capita white people make white collar crimes compared to black people?

    Whiteys just have it in their blood…

    Comment by Anonymous — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 3:48 pm

26. “Wrong. They have different crime rates because of their different positions in the society.”

    What makes you believe that?

    And what, pray tell, is the reason why black people are poor?

    Could it be because they have a lower average IQ and because they live in an ethnic subculture that discourages education and glorifies crime?

    Why is it that e.g. Asian-Americans are richer and commit less crimes than black Americans in spite of the fact that the Asians are recently arrived immigrants whereas black people have lived in America for 400 years and have been free for 140 years, and in spite of the fact that when the Asians arrive in America they are usually much poorer than black Americans, and, qua immigrants, the Asians have a much more difficult starting position than than the blacks, who are Americans and speak English as their mother tongue?

    “We could study for example the crime rates among the poor alcoholics in Helsinki. Now they must be whopping compared to the Finnish society as a whole. So, it’s like that because of their “genetic and cultural aspects”? Then why aren’t other Finns so busy stabbing each other even when they have same genes and culture?”

    There are alcoholics in every racial and ethnic group, but the African-American population as a whole has higher crime rates, lower average IQ, lower education etc. than white America. Why is this?

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 8:19 pm

27. “Wanna know how many more times per capita white people make white collar crimes compared to black people?”

    Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion or are you just making shit up like you self-proclaimed opponents of racism usually are?

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 8:21 pm

28. If I made a similar video using African-American actors, and gave it the title “Learn English from niggaz in da hood” do you think I might be accused of racism?

    Of course you would, and rightfully so, given your well-known Nazi sympathies.

    Using American ghetto nigger slang was just a joke.

    A really poor one at that.

    Do you really think using American ghetto nigger slang in the English translation was politically incorrect?

    My primary point was that it wasn’t very funny. Perhaps I should have drawn a picture for the high-IQ übermenschen.

    Do you work for the Thought Police?

    Nah, I’m not a great believer in enforcing common decency by law. I do agree with laws against hate speech.

    Different racial/ethnic groups have different crime rates because of genetic and cultural aspects.

    I’m really anxious to hear about your eugenics institute discovering the crime gene.

    Why is it that e.g. Asian-Americans are richer and commit less crimes than black Americans in spite of the fact that the Asians are recently arrived immigrants

    Well, I just don’t know. It just couldn’t be because recent Asian immigrants tend to be from affluent families and highly educated because noting that would spoil our fine race theories. Do Asian countries have particularly low crime rates or does the crime gene get erased upon moving to America?

    And what, pray tell, is the reason why black people are poor?

    Slavery. Segregation. Perhaps pictures need to be drawn again.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 8:48 pm

29. Oh,one more point:

    Gangsta rap doesn’t quite fully describe the whole spectrum of African-Anerican culture. Perhaps someone should get informed, but bigots seldom feel the need for it.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 8:51 pm

30. “Of course you would, [be accused of racism] and rightfully so, given your well-known Nazi sympathies.”

    Godwin.

    I love it when people like you prove their inability to discuss issues rationally. You have no arguments whatsoever. That is why you have these knee-jerk reactions. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you label him a Nazi. Priceless.

    “My primary point was that it wasn’t very funny.”

    No, your primary point was that anyobody who disagrees with you is a Nazi.

    “I’m not a great believer in enforcing common decency by law.”

    Common decency defined as being limited to the things you like, of course.

    “I do agree with laws against hate speech.”

    Hate speech defined as everything you disagree with, of course.

    “I’m really anxious to hear about your eugenics institute discovering the crime gene.”

    Strawman.

    I never said there was just one gene known as ‘the crime gene’.

    I said there are genetic factors. This does not mean there is one gene that can be called ‘the crime gene’.

    But of course, such finer nuances between totally different theories are lost on people whose arguments are based on calling their opponents Nazis.

    “It just couldn’t be because recent Asian immigrants tend to be from affluent families and highly educated”

    Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion or are you just making shit up like you self-proclaimed opponents of racism usually are?

    “Do Asian countries have particularly low crime rates”

    Yes.

    “Slavery. Segregation.”

    Slavery ended 140 years ago and segregation 40 years ago. Besides, segregation wasn’t the cause of black poverty even when it still existed.

    “Gangsta rap doesn’t quite fully describe the whole spectrum of African-Anerican culture.”

    Irrelevant.

    “Perhaps someone should get informed, but bigots seldom feel the need for it.”

    Yeah, that’s exactly why bigots like you advocate racism such as Affirmative Action.

    http://mikkoellila.thinkertothinker.com/?p=122

    Jostain käsittämättömästä syystä monet journalistit, intellektuellit, kansalaisjärjestöaktiivit, viranomaistahot ja jopa lainsäätäjät yrittävät kääntää asioita päälaelleen ja väittää rotuerottelua rasismin vastustamiseksi. Yksi klassinen esimerkki tästä on se USA:ssa 1960-luvulla aloitettu käytäntö, että ihmisiä valitaan yliopistoihin ja työpaikkoihin rotunsa perusteella. Kukaan ei voi väittää, että tämä ei olisi rasismia.

    Valitettavasti useimmat rasismin vastustajiksi itseään kutsuvat henkilöt ovat juuri näitä orwellilaisia valehtelijoita. Ayn Rand huomasi jo 1960-luvulla, että useimmat mustat amerikkalaiset “kansalaisoikeusaktivistit” (Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Malcolm X jne.) olivat rasisteja:

    So long as the Negro leaders were fighting against government-enforced discrimination - right, justice and morality were on their side. But that is not what they are fighting any longer… Instead of fighting against racial discrimination, they are demanding that racial discrimination be legalized and enforced. Instead of fighting against racism, they are demanding the establishment of racial quotas. Instead of fighting for ‘color-blindness’ in social and economic issues, they are proclaiming that ‘color-blindness’ is evil and that ‘color’ should be made a primary consideration. Instead of fighting for equal rights, they are demanding special race privileges.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 9:41 pm

31. Godwin.

    Would be, if you were not a well-known Nazi sympathiser.

    Hate speech defined as everything you disagree with, of course.

    I think that the Finnish law against “aggravation against a population group” is pretty much reasonable. E.g. racist jokes don’t apply here. Naturally, not everything I disagree with qualifies as hate speech. Not even all racist bigotry does. You need to wipe the foam off your keyboard before it short circuits.

    Strawman.

    Did you or did you not postulate the existence of a crime gene? I’m merely asking for some evidence to back up your claims.

    I said there are genetic factors. This does not mean there is one gene that can be called ‘the crime gene’.

    So, there are several crime genes. Identify one, please. Oh sorry, you’re a practitioner of 1930s genetics, you couldn’t know about DNA.

    Slavery ended 140 years ago and segregation 40 years ago.

    True. 126 years ago Karl Fazer opened a little chocolate shop on Kluuvikatu. Now, would you say that his offspring are no better off than the offspring of an average tenant farmer from the same period?

    Besides, segregation wasn’t the cause of black poverty even when it still existed.

    What a completely ridiculous claim. Segregation affects employment prospects and is thus a very significant factor in poverty.

    Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion or are you just making shit up like you self-proclaimed opponents of racism usually are?

    Evidence to back up the assertion that Asian-American immigrants are highly educated? Well, the Wikipedia page has nicely compiled tables from the US Census Bureau data:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

    “Gangsta rap doesn’t quite fully describe the whole spectrum of African-Anerican culture.”
    Irrelevant.

    Quite relevant, as you referred to a culture that glorifies violence.

    Oh by the way, Mr. Strawman, I don’t believe that affirmative action can be effective nor am I convinced that it is fair.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Sep 24th, 2006 @ 11:54 pm

32. “Would be,”

    It is.

    “if you were not a well-known Nazi sympathiser.”

    Am not. Either you got me mixed up with someone else, or you’re willing to be sued for libel.

    “Did you or did you not postulate the existence of a crime gene?”

    No. I already explained this, but of course, illiterate people like you don’t understand what “I said there are genetic factors. This does not mean there is one gene that can be called ‘the crime gene’” means.

    “Segregation affects employment prospects and is thus a very significant factor in poverty.”

    Segregation did not make black people poor because it did not make it impossible for them to get good jobs. It only ‘affected employment prospects’ in the sense that it made it impossible for black people to get into certain schools, which in turn had an impact on their later job prospects.

    “Quite relevant, as you referred to a culture that glorifies violence.”

    The glorification of violence is certainly not limited to rap.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Mon, Sep 25th, 2006 @ 6:12 pm

33. No. I already explained this, but of course, illiterate people like you don’t understand what “I said there are genetic factors. This does not mean there is one gene that can be called ‘the crime gene’” means.

    So, what you actually mean that there are fantasy crime genes which can’t be identified by normal scientific procedures. But the elect know that they are there and ghetto nigger DNA is riddled with them. Good to have that cleared up.

    The glorification of violence is certainly not limited to rap.

    No, it isn’t. America as a whole is a pretty violent place.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Mon, Sep 25th, 2006 @ 6:49 pm

34. “So, what you actually mean that there are fantasy crime genes which can’t be identified by normal scientific procedures.”

    Strawman again.

    You’re even less intelligent than I thought. And that is saying a lot. Apparenly I have to explain this like I would explain to a child.

    There are genes that affect e.g. aggressive behaviour, and aggressive behaviour is often illegal behaviour.

    For example, testosterone levels are genetic. Testosterone increases the likelihood of aggressive behaviour.

    Negroes have higher levels of testosterone than white people do.

    Do the math.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Mon, Sep 25th, 2006 @ 7:06 pm

35. You’re even less intelligent than I thought. And that is saying a lot.

    I can’t even begin to explain how significant your opinion - or the opinion of any other Nazi loser - is to me.

    For example, testosterone levels are genetic.

    Source, please.

    Negroes have higher levels of testosterone than white people do.
    Do the math.

    Mistaking correlation for causality: a sign of a true original thinker.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Mon, Sep 25th, 2006 @ 10:14 pm

36. “I can’t even begin to explain how significant your opinion - or the opinion of any other Nazi loser - is to me.”

    Godwin again.

    I love it when people like you prove their inability to discuss issues rationally. You have no arguments whatsoever. That is why you have these knee-jerk reactions. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you label him a Nazi. Priceless.

    “Source, please.”

    It’s a well-known fact. If you didn’t know this (which doesn’t surprise me since you don’t know anything about anything at all) you can check it out in a human biology textbook.

    “Mistaking correlation for causality”

    Strawman again.

    You really are pathetic.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Tue, Sep 26th, 2006 @ 8:11 pm

37. Mikko Ellilä, what always makes me wonder about you self-proclaimed race experts is that you are willing to condemn a whole race (or actually skin color or geographical similarity) to criminal tendencies that are in their blood even though the research is anything BUT certain about this.

    I mean, it’s SO obvious that you want to think that they are “lesser” humans or something. Why else would you go on about this when you can’t possibly be one hundred percent (nor fifty percent) sure. What if society accepted your facts and declared black people dangerous? Think about what their lives would be like then (that’s pretty much what’s going on already though)? Or do you not care?

    And then years later it would turn out that it’s all wrong…

    You’re taking a VERY strong stance on something that is science, not opinion. That sir, makes you a racist, and an idiot.

    Comment by Pave — Tue, Sep 26th, 2006 @ 11:32 pm

38. Godwin again.

    Well, when someone with a fetish for big caps and iron boots, not to mention a taste for Wagner, starts preaching race theories on the internet, I think the label applies quite well.

    I love it when people like you prove their inability to discuss issues rationally. You have no arguments whatsoever. That is why you have these knee-jerk reactions. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you label him a Nazi. Priceless.

    What is truly priceless is when a randroid starts on the “Strawman!” track. It’s bound to happen eventually every time.

    By the way, your incohenrent rambling and your aggressive demeanour suggest low intelligence and a high testosterone level. You sure you ain’t a ghetto nigga? Have you had your Aryan ancestry checked?

    It’s a well-known fact.

    It is also a well-known scientific fact that environmental factors contribute to testosterone levels. I guess they didn’t teach that at the Institute of Hereditary, Biology and Racial Purity.

    You really are pathetic.

    Finally you got something right. It is truly pathetic to waste my time on human trash like you. I value my time too much for that. As far as I’m concerned, this discussion is over.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Wed, Sep 27th, 2006 @ 8:17 am

39. Once again, these self-proclaimed opponents of racism prove their total inability to discuss any issues rationally. They have no arguments whatsoever. That is why they yell ‘Nazi!’ at anyone who cites resuls of objective scientific research. When objective reality is at odds with anti-racist ideology, the facts will have to be denied.

    “you are willing to condemn a whole race (or actually skin color or geographical similarity) to criminal tendencies that are in their blood”

    Strawman.

    “even though the research is anything BUT certain about this.”

    Actually, it is absolutely certain that:

    1.) there are genes that affect e.g. aggressive behaviour, and aggressive behaviour is often illegal behaviour,

    2.) testosterone levels are genetic, and testosterone increases the likelihood of aggressive behaviour,

    3.) negroes have higher levels of testosterone than white people do.

    “I mean, it’s SO obvious that you want to think that they are “lesser” humans or something.”

    Strawman.

    “What if society accepted your facts and declared black people dangerous? Think about what their lives would be like then (that’s pretty much what’s going on already though)? Or do you not care?”

    Black people commit more crimes than white people do. Men commit more crimes than women do.

    Do you think men’s lives have gotten worse because women know men commit more crimes than women do? Do you think black people’s lives have gotten worse because whites know blacks commit more crimes than whites do?

    If your answer is yes, do you think the existence of these facts ought to be kept a secret?

    What other things do you want to hide from the public, and why?

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Wed, Sep 27th, 2006 @ 6:56 pm

40. I haven’t laughed this hard for a long time. All you say is “Strawman”. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    “There are genes that affect e.g. aggressive behaviour, and aggressive behaviour is often illegal behaviour.

    For example, testosterone levels are genetic. Testosterone increases the likelihood of aggressive behaviour.

    Negroes have higher levels of testosterone than white people do”

    That’s you condemning a race to criminal tendencies that are in their blood. Where’s the strawman?

    And your second strawman is for MY OPINION!

    So do you have anything RATIONAL to say or will you just hide behind your strawman bluff?

    And yeah, I do believe that black people’s lives have gotten worse because white people think they commit more crimes. Who would hire a potentially dangerous person if a potentially harmless person was available, for example?

    Your analogy about women and men was totally false. You can’t compare gender and race because they are totally different things! Every woman is in contact with men, it can’t be avoided. It’s very human to be around the other gender but it is not, however, very common to be around other races. That alone makes women more at ease with men than whites with blacks. That’s why women don’t get a advantage in the hiring example I gave earlier. I mean, this is so elementary that I feel idiotic having to explain it to you… And all I get in return is “strawman”, I bet.

    I don’t want to keep any fact a secret. So black people are sent to jail more than whites in America, how can I deny it? And I don’t know why that is. I haven’t a clue actually. All I’m saying is that this is science and the experts are either against you, Mikko Ellilä, or uncertain about the facts. Are they all wrong? Cos you seem awfully certain that you know everything about this issue.

    Comment by Pave — Thu, Sep 28th, 2006 @ 12:12 pm

41. Mikko Ellilä, thank you for bringing up the question of the negro gene here in this peer-review blog. I totally agree with you, but I’d like to add a few facts to make the argumentation complete.

    The nigger gene seems to affect people only between the latitudes of 38 and 25 degrees on one particular continent. And even in that area the gene stops working if the circumstances under which the children grow up are particularly good.

    Could you please explain why this is so? Thank you in advance.

    Comment by Gardener of Strange Fruits — Thu, Sep 28th, 2006 @ 2:05 pm

42. “I haven’t laughed this hard for a long time. All you say is “Strawman”. You have no idea what you’re talking about.”

    I call a strawman argument a strawman argument. If you find that laughable, the joke is on you. I know very well what I’m talking about.

    “And your second strawman is for MY OPINION!”

    No, it’s for your erroneous description of MY opinion.

    “So do you have anything RATIONAL to say”

    I already have rationally explained some resuls of objective scientific research. You, however, have done nothing but attacked strawmen and yelled ‘Nazi!!’ because you have no rational arguments.

    “or will you just hide behind your strawman bluff?”

    I call a strawman argument a strawman argument. This is not a bluff. Apparently you don’t understand what a strawman argument is.

    “Your analogy about women and men was totally false. You can’t compare gender and race because they are totally different things! Every woman is in contact with men, it can’t be avoided. It’s very human to be around the other gender but it is not, however, very common to be around other races.”

    So?

    “So black people are sent to jail more than whites in America, how can I deny it? And I don’t know why that is.”

    I do. It’s because they commit more crimes. Apparently you don’t understand why people are put in jail.

    “this is science”

    Yes, that’s why I cited resuls of objective scientific research.

    “and the experts are either against you, Mikko Ellilä, or uncertain about the facts.”

    No, they agree with me.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Thu, Sep 28th, 2006 @ 9:55 pm

43. I haven’t laughed this hard for a long time. All you say is “Strawman”.

    Yes, that is part of the randroid programming. The algorithm needs some work, as it doesn’t quite pass the Turing test yet.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Thu, Sep 28th, 2006 @ 11:23 pm

44. “I already have rationally explained some resuls of objective scientific research. You, however, have done nothing but attacked strawmen and yelled ‘Nazi!!’ because you have no rational arguments.”

    Now that’s a strawman if I ever heard one! Read Wikipedia’s entry for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Setup_of_a_straw_man

    That’s #3.

    “I do. It’s because they commit more crimes. Apparently you don’t understand why people are put in jail.”

    Heh actually I just read an anti-racism piece that claimed that blacks get thrown in jail more easily than whites. For proof the writer has some statistics but it’s all a bit vague. Then again:

    “The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S.”

    But anyway, what I meant was that I don’t know why they commit more crimes. And you knew that. Your reply would be an excellent example of a straw man argument. #1 @ Wikipedia.

    “No, they agree with me.”

    Oh, ok. Can you prove that? And I mean some studies that really conclude that genetic factors are the most important causes for black crime. And make it a study that is commonly accepted by the scientific community.

    Waiting for the other two ways to set up a straw man argument you haven’t used yet…

    Comment by Pave — Fri, Sep 29th, 2006 @ 1:14 am

45. “Now that’s a strawman if I ever heard one!”

    No.

    “Heh actually I just read an anti-racism piece that claimed that blacks get thrown in jail more easily than whites. For proof the writer has some statistics but it’s all a bit vague.”

    Anti-racist propaganda is always a bit vague because it is not based on rational analysis of the facts, but on ideological dogma.

    “The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S.”

    Apples and oranges.

    People who are arrested for drug possession are usually drug dealers and not just drug users.

    You’re telling me that the percentage of blacks among drug dealers is higher than among drug users. No shit. So what?

    “Your reply would be an excellent example of a straw man argument. #1 @ Wikipedia.”

    No.

    “Oh, ok. Can you prove that? And I mean some studies that really conclude that genetic factors are the most important causes for black crime.”

    I never said genes were THE most important cause for black crime.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Fri, Sep 29th, 2006 @ 11:12 am

46. “No.”

    I never called you a nazi, that was Franklin’s mistake. So yes, it was a strawman.

    Heh, can’t believe your reply was only about that anti-racism thing which I just mentioned because it came to my mind. I never said I agreed with it or anything.

    Make up your mind man. Do the genes count or do they not? Are genetic factors the main reasons why black people commit more crimes or not?

    And can you now please show me some examples of studies which prove your claims?

    Comment by Pave — Sun, Oct 1st, 2006 @ 10:18 pm

47. “I never called you a nazi, that was Franklin’s mistake.”

    You called me a racist which means the same thing in this context.

    “Make up your mind man. Do the genes count or do they not?”

    I don’t think in such prenumeric terms.

    “Are genetic factors the main reasons why black people commit more crimes or not?”

    Some of the main reasons.

    “And can you now please show me some examples of studies which prove your claims?”

    Use Google.

    Comment by Mikko Ellilä — Mon, Oct 2nd, 2006 @ 12:11 pm

48. No, I won’t use my precious time on a wild goose chase. Tell me which studies you base your beliefs in so I can check their credibility.

    And BTW you attacked anti-racism in such a way that I thought you considered yourSELF racist. Sorry for the misinterpretation. Racist and nazi are not the same thing, not even in this context.

    Comment by Pave — Tue, Oct 3rd, 2006 @ 1:38 pm

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