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		<title>By: qspgnw</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 17:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rudolf Zölde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudolf Zölde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THERMOVOLTAIK - CURRENT FROM WARMTH 
ADD THERMAL GENERATORS - decentralized current supply for each household. 

The new thermal generator generation are pollution free, efficiently, compactly and efficient. Status of information: 09.01.2007 The Thermovoltaik is the sphere of activity of physics, which is concerned with the transformation of heat energy into electricity. One cannot produce or destroy only convert energy. If two different metals or alloys are together contacted and heated up, a low electrical tension develops between the metals. 

A thermal current generator, patent DE 43 13 827 A1, consists laminar contacted layers of metal of several in row on suitable carriers of thermoelectric neutral materials, which serve as conductor. These identical thin-layered laid on thermocouples those from two different thermoelectric materials exist, are laminar contacted at the ends of the oblong carriers. The lower side heated up, on the side opposite cooled, recommendable is the cooling with liquid hydrogen, which is led thereafter gaseously to the combustion chamber. From the temperature difference of the pairs of thermocouples arranged opposite electrical DC voltage with high current value results. The use of several identical Thermopaare for tension production is a comfortable compromise settlement, which energy conversion in such a way efficient not used and is strongly limited. The new thermal generators according to the computer centre additive method the thermal cells also contacted in row are developed, are not more effective in the comparison to any longer the temperature gradient procedure up-to-date like above, an additional cooling as is common knowledge, are not not necessary.
A thermal cell consists a flat thermocouple, additionally a likewise laminar contacted material with electric rectifier characteristics, of two thin-layered thermoelectric materials, which are together laminar contacted, with parameter in millivolt range with high current passage exhibits. If one connects just as laminar several thermal cells in row as thermopile block, in order to win higher tension, the individual Zellenspannungen add up by the electric rectifier effect of the additive method, comparably also in row switched batteries. The additive circuit offers besides new applications in the sensor technology with higher sensitivities. The newest efficient flat thermal cells RZ5130 supply, compared with the well-known tellurium ID elements higher values. Desired DC voltage is reached by the number of thermal cells and the current value with their surface sizes. For the achievement of a generator the current value is crucial in Ampere/mm Ã‚Â² the thermal cell areas and is durchfliest the quantity of the electrons as negative charge carrier in the inter+molecular Elekronenaustausch. In the laminar contact zone between the melted different thermoelectric materials a different charge carrier density, their values develops is proportional in the overall system for the supplied heat energy. The heat energy supply is possible with all kinds of fuel. By force heat coupling in the industry, fermentation gas, sun exposure, Geothermie or with hydrogen (won from solar power). Adequately dimensioned ADD thermal generators with an integrated high current inverter (HSWR), for this again-developed, which in the thermally closed housing are accommodated, can with 200 KW of electric motor achievement as drive with an efficiency to 80% be used or also only as replacement for Ã¢â‚¬Å¾the generator Ã¢â‚¬Å“. Only the amount of heat must be adjusted, which delivers a thermally outward well isolated generator housing to the environment, large plants can far over 200 megawatts rated output reach. 

A HIGH CURRENT INVERTER (patent) for thermal generators conceived, with elements of unorthodox design, is converted DC voltage in in or multi-phases alternating voltage (three-phase alternating current simulator) and opens new areas of application in the heavy current technology with low electrical tensions. Typical characteristics are variable entrance DC voltage 0.1 V up to 250 V, output point alternating voltage 0.2 to 500 V, frequency up to 400 cycles per second. HSWR are indispensable for the withdrawal of the maximally possible current value of Thermgeneratoren. Example. Passage stream with 14 V of input voltage approx. 50,000 ampere and </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THERMOVOLTAIK &#8211; CURRENT FROM WARMTH<br />
ADD THERMAL GENERATORS &#8211; decentralized current supply for each household. </p>
<p>The new thermal generator generation are pollution free, efficiently, compactly and efficient. Status of information: 09.01.2007 The Thermovoltaik is the sphere of activity of physics, which is concerned with the transformation of heat energy into electricity. One cannot produce or destroy only convert energy. If two different metals or alloys are together contacted and heated up, a low electrical tension develops between the metals. </p>
<p>A thermal current generator, patent DE 43 13 827 A1, consists laminar contacted layers of metal of several in row on suitable carriers of thermoelectric neutral materials, which serve as conductor. These identical thin-layered laid on thermocouples those from two different thermoelectric materials exist, are laminar contacted at the ends of the oblong carriers. The lower side heated up, on the side opposite cooled, recommendable is the cooling with liquid hydrogen, which is led thereafter gaseously to the combustion chamber. From the temperature difference of the pairs of thermocouples arranged opposite electrical DC voltage with high current value results. The use of several identical Thermopaare for tension production is a comfortable compromise settlement, which energy conversion in such a way efficient not used and is strongly limited. The new thermal generators according to the computer centre additive method the thermal cells also contacted in row are developed, are not more effective in the comparison to any longer the temperature gradient procedure up-to-date like above, an additional cooling as is common knowledge, are not not necessary.<br />
A thermal cell consists a flat thermocouple, additionally a likewise laminar contacted material with electric rectifier characteristics, of two thin-layered thermoelectric materials, which are together laminar contacted, with parameter in millivolt range with high current passage exhibits. If one connects just as laminar several thermal cells in row as thermopile block, in order to win higher tension, the individual Zellenspannungen add up by the electric rectifier effect of the additive method, comparably also in row switched batteries. The additive circuit offers besides new applications in the sensor technology with higher sensitivities. The newest efficient flat thermal cells RZ5130 supply, compared with the well-known tellurium ID elements higher values. Desired DC voltage is reached by the number of thermal cells and the current value with their surface sizes. For the achievement of a generator the current value is crucial in Ampere/mm Ã‚Â² the thermal cell areas and is durchfliest the quantity of the electrons as negative charge carrier in the inter+molecular Elekronenaustausch. In the laminar contact zone between the melted different thermoelectric materials a different charge carrier density, their values develops is proportional in the overall system for the supplied heat energy. The heat energy supply is possible with all kinds of fuel. By force heat coupling in the industry, fermentation gas, sun exposure, Geothermie or with hydrogen (won from solar power). Adequately dimensioned ADD thermal generators with an integrated high current inverter (HSWR), for this again-developed, which in the thermally closed housing are accommodated, can with 200 KW of electric motor achievement as drive with an efficiency to 80% be used or also only as replacement for Ã¢â‚¬Å¾the generator Ã¢â‚¬Å“. Only the amount of heat must be adjusted, which delivers a thermally outward well isolated generator housing to the environment, large plants can far over 200 megawatts rated output reach. </p>
<p>A HIGH CURRENT INVERTER (patent) for thermal generators conceived, with elements of unorthodox design, is converted DC voltage in in or multi-phases alternating voltage (three-phase alternating current simulator) and opens new areas of application in the heavy current technology with low electrical tensions. Typical characteristics are variable entrance DC voltage 0.1 V up to 250 V, output point alternating voltage 0.2 to 500 V, frequency up to 400 cycles per second. HSWR are indispensable for the withdrawal of the maximally possible current value of Thermgeneratoren. Example. Passage stream with 14 V of input voltage approx. 50,000 ampere and</p>
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		<title>By: prince of dorkness</title>
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		<dc:creator>prince of dorkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AmeriikanEnkeli,
I was thinking more of Finnpundit or Little Green Footballs. 
Sullivan has his moments, true. And American feisty speech can be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AmeriikanEnkeli,<br />
I was thinking more of Finnpundit or Little Green Footballs.<br />
Sullivan has his moments, true. And American feisty speech can be great.</p>
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		<title>By: AmeriikanEnkeli</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmeriikanEnkeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prince of dorkness,

I hardly consider commondreams or andrew sullivan to be loonies. In fact, Andrew Sullivan is one of the most coherent gadflies on the net. I respect his opinions a great deal.

With all due fairness to Finland, a country I love, I just don&#039;t think there&#039;s the spirit of feisty speech that there is in the US. That has both its pluses and minuses, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prince of dorkness,</p>
<p>I hardly consider commondreams or andrew sullivan to be loonies. In fact, Andrew Sullivan is one of the most coherent gadflies on the net. I respect his opinions a great deal.</p>
<p>With all due fairness to Finland, a country I love, I just don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s the spirit of feisty speech that there is in the US. That has both its pluses and minuses, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;still waiting to see if the EU has done ANYTHING, just 1 thing is all I am looking for.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, you must understand that the RU in its current form has not been in existence for so long.

But it&#039;s not that bad. In 1939-1945 united Europe engaged in many of your favourite activities with quite commendable vigour, including:

-torturing lots of folks (what&#039;s a few drops of water)
-gassing millions of people pre-emptively (gotta get &#039;em before they get you)
-invading other countries
-seizing (or attempting to seize) control of natural resources, most importantly oil

And, almost forgot

-killing lots of Americans

Is that the kind of action you&#039;re looking for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>still waiting to see if the EU has done ANYTHING, just 1 thing is all I am looking for.</i></p>
<p>Well, you must understand that the RU in its current form has not been in existence for so long.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not that bad. In 1939-1945 united Europe engaged in many of your favourite activities with quite commendable vigour, including:</p>
<p>-torturing lots of folks (what&#8217;s a few drops of water)<br />
-gassing millions of people pre-emptively (gotta get &#8216;em before they get you)<br />
-invading other countries<br />
-seizing (or attempting to seize) control of natural resources, most importantly oil</p>
<p>And, almost forgot</p>
<p>-killing lots of Americans</p>
<p>Is that the kind of action you&#8217;re looking for?</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. I&#039;m still trying to figure out #112.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. I&#8217;m still trying to figure out #112.</p>
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		<title>By: winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimmo W
still waiting to see if the EU has done ANYTHING, just 1 thing is all I am looking for.

I will accept. &quot;We criticized the USA for doing something.&quot; as your answer?????? I mean, criticism is doing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimmo W<br />
still waiting to see if the EU has done ANYTHING, just 1 thing is all I am looking for.</p>
<p>I will accept. &#8220;We criticized the USA for doing something.&#8221; as your answer?????? I mean, criticism is doing something.</p>
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		<title>By: prince of dorkness</title>
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		<dc:creator>prince of dorkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@alo, post 120,
if recruiting children is bad, killing children might be considered at least a tiny little bit reprehensible. Except if you&#039;re Finnpundit, then it&#039;s a great way to reduce the welfare rolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alo, post 120,<br />
if recruiting children is bad, killing children might be considered at least a tiny little bit reprehensible. Except if you&#8217;re Finnpundit, then it&#8217;s a great way to reduce the welfare rolls.</p>
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		<title>By: ths</title>
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		<dc:creator>ths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.&quot; - Samuel P. Huntington 

&quot;It&#039;s really not a number I&#039;m terribly interested in.&quot; [When asked about the number of Iraqi people who were slaughtered by Americans in the 1991 &quot;Desert Storm&quot; terror campaign (200,000 people!)] - General US General Colin Powell 


&quot;If Kuwait grew carrots, we wouldn&#039;t give a damn.&quot; - Lawrence Korb, assistant defense secretary under Reagan 



&quot;[the Middle East is] a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history.&quot; - U.S. State Department, 1945 


&quot;... somehow we find it hard to sell our values, namely that the rich should plunder the poor.&quot; - former US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles


&quot;The U.S.A. has supplied arms, security equipment and training to governments and armed groups that have committed torture, political killings and other human rights abuses in countries around the world.&quot; - Amnesty International [October 1998] 


&#039;No one in this world has the right to put Israel on trial. No one. On the contrary, Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the state of Israel on trial.&#039; - Israel&#039;s prime minister, Ariel Sharon, to a U.S. commission investigating violence in Israel  



&quot;(We need an) ..Arab facade ruled and administered under British guidance and controlled by a native Mohammedan and, as far as possible, by an Arab staff.... There should be no actual incorporation of the conquered territory in the dominions of the conqueror, but the absorption may be veiled by such constitutional fictions as a protectorate, a sphere of influence, a buffer state and so onÃ¢â‚¬Â. - Lord Curzon on installing the puppet Feisal as King of Iraq


&quot;We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?&#039; Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said &#039;Drive them out!&#039;&quot; - Yitzhak Rabin, memoirs, New York Times, 23 Oct 1979


&quot;It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.&quot; - Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.


Roosevelt received him [British ambassador Lord Halifax] that very evening at the White House. Their discussion focused on the Middle East. Trying to ally Halifax&#039;s apprension and irritation, Roosevelt showed the ambassador a rough sketch he had made of the Middle East. Persian oil, he told the ambassador, is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it is ours. Daniel Yergin - The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power - New York:Simon and Schuster, 1991,401 


&quot;Our strategic and security interests throughout the world will be best safeguarded by the establishment in suitable spots of &#039;Police Stations&#039;, fully equipped to deal with emergencies within a large radius. Kuwait is one such spot from which Iraq, South Persia, Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf could be controlled. It will be worthwhile to go to considerable trouble and expense to establish and man a &#039;Police Station&#039; there.&quot; - British Foreign Office, policy memo, 1947 


&quot;If they turn on the radars we&#039;re going to blow up their damn SAMs (surface-to-air missiles). They know we own their country. We own their airspace... We dictate the way they live and talk. And that&#039;s what&#039;s great about America right now. It&#039;s a good thing, especially when there&#039;s a lot of oil out there we need.&quot; - U.S. Brig. General William Looney (Interview Washington Post, August 30, 1999)



&quot;If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?&quot; - David Ben Gurion, The Jewish Paradox, pp121 by Nahum Goldmann

&quot;I will never apologize for the United States of America. I don&#039;t care what the facts are.&quot; After the US destroyer Vincennes in Iranian territorial waters, shoots down an Iranian commercial flight (Iran Air 654) in Iranian airspace killing all 286 passengers. - George Bush is quoted in the magazine, Newsweek, 1985

&quot;Entering the city [Jerusalem, July 15, 1099], our pilgrims pursued and killed Saracens up to the Temple of Solomon, in which they had assembled and where they gave battle to us furiously for the whole day so that their blood flowed throughout the whole temple. Finally, having overcome the pagans, our knights seized a great number of men and women, and the killed whom they wished and whom they wished they let live.... Then, rejoicing and weeping from extreme joy, our men went to worship at the sepulchre of jour Saviour Jesus and thus fulfilled their pledge to Him.... They also ordered that all the Saracen dead should be thrown out of the city because of the extreme stench, for the city was almost full of their cadavers. The live Saracens dragged the dead out before the gates and made piles of them, like houses. No one has ever heard of or seen such a slaughter of pagan peoples since pyres were made of them like boundary marks, and no one except God knows their number.&quot; - Histoire anonyme de la premiere croisade, L. Brehier




&quot;Actually, its a lot of fun to fight. You know, it&#039;s a hell of a hoot. I like brawling...You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn&#039;t wear a veil...You know, guys like that ain&#039;t got no manhood left anyway. So it&#039;s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.&quot; - Lt. Gen. James Mattis, US Army

&quot;ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a hard choice, but I think, we, think, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s worth it.&quot; Her response to a May 11, 1996 60 Minutes question about the over half a million children killed by the [Iraqi] sanctions. - Madeleine Albright 64th U.S. Secretary of State 



I think, Dr. Railly, you&#039;ve given the alarmists a bad name...surely there&#039;s very real and very convincing data that the planet cannot survive the excesses of the human race. Proliferation of atomic devices...uncontrolled breeding habits...pollution of land, sea and air, the rape of the environment...in this context isn&#039;t it obvious that Chicken Little represents the sane vision, and that homo sapiens&#039; motto--&quot;let&#039;s go shopping&quot;--is the cry of the true lunatic?

-Dr. Peters, &quot;12 Monkeys&quot;



&quot;Advise Dr. Herzl not to take any further steps in his project. I can not give away a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it is for all the Islamic Nation. The Islamic Nation that fought Jihad for the sake of this land and they have watered it with their blood. The Jews may keep their money and millions. If the Islamic Khalifah State is one day destroyed then they will be able to take Palestine without a price! But while I am alive, I would rather push a sword into my body than see the land of Palestine cut and given away from the Islamic State. This is something that will not be, I will not start cutting our bodies while we are alive.&quot; - Sultan Abdul Hameed&#039;s refusal to see Theodor Herzl, founder of the Zionist movement 



This very week in 1989, there were protests in East Berlin and in Leipzig. By the end of that year, every communist dictatorship in Central America had collapsed.
    --George w. Bush

Washington, DC
11/06/2003


The Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) said, &quot;Those who go to extremes are doomed; those who go to extremes are doomed; those who go to extremes are doomed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.&#8221; &#8211; Samuel P. Huntington </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s really not a number I&#8217;m terribly interested in.&#8221; [When asked about the number of Iraqi people who were slaughtered by Americans in the 1991 "Desert Storm" terror campaign (200,000 people!)] &#8211; General US General Colin Powell </p>
<p>&#8220;If Kuwait grew carrots, we wouldn&#8217;t give a damn.&#8221; &#8211; Lawrence Korb, assistant defense secretary under Reagan </p>
<p>&#8220;[the Middle East is] a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history.&#8221; &#8211; U.S. State Department, 1945 </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; somehow we find it hard to sell our values, namely that the rich should plunder the poor.&#8221; &#8211; former US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles</p>
<p>&#8220;The U.S.A. has supplied arms, security equipment and training to governments and armed groups that have committed torture, political killings and other human rights abuses in countries around the world.&#8221; &#8211; Amnesty International [October 1998] </p>
<p>&#8216;No one in this world has the right to put Israel on trial. No one. On the contrary, Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the state of Israel on trial.&#8217; &#8211; Israel&#8217;s prime minister, Ariel Sharon, to a U.S. commission investigating violence in Israel  </p>
<p>&#8220;(We need an) ..Arab facade ruled and administered under British guidance and controlled by a native Mohammedan and, as far as possible, by an Arab staff&#8230;. There should be no actual incorporation of the conquered territory in the dominions of the conqueror, but the absorption may be veiled by such constitutional fictions as a protectorate, a sphere of influence, a buffer state and so onÃ¢â‚¬Â. &#8211; Lord Curzon on installing the puppet Feisal as King of Iraq</p>
<p>&#8220;We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?&#8217; Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said &#8216;Drive them out!&#8217;&#8221; &#8211; Yitzhak Rabin, memoirs, New York Times, 23 Oct 1979</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.&#8221; &#8211; Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.</p>
<p>Roosevelt received him [British ambassador Lord Halifax] that very evening at the White House. Their discussion focused on the Middle East. Trying to ally Halifax&#8217;s apprension and irritation, Roosevelt showed the ambassador a rough sketch he had made of the Middle East. Persian oil, he told the ambassador, is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it is ours. Daniel Yergin &#8211; The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power &#8211; New York:Simon and Schuster, 1991,401 </p>
<p>&#8220;Our strategic and security interests throughout the world will be best safeguarded by the establishment in suitable spots of &#8216;Police Stations&#8217;, fully equipped to deal with emergencies within a large radius. Kuwait is one such spot from which Iraq, South Persia, Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf could be controlled. It will be worthwhile to go to considerable trouble and expense to establish and man a &#8216;Police Station&#8217; there.&#8221; &#8211; British Foreign Office, policy memo, 1947 </p>
<p>&#8220;If they turn on the radars we&#8217;re going to blow up their damn SAMs (surface-to-air missiles). They know we own their country. We own their airspace&#8230; We dictate the way they live and talk. And that&#8217;s what&#8217;s great about America right now. It&#8217;s a good thing, especially when there&#8217;s a lot of oil out there we need.&#8221; &#8211; U.S. Brig. General William Looney (Interview Washington Post, August 30, 1999)</p>
<p>&#8220;If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti &#8211; Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?&#8221; &#8211; David Ben Gurion, The Jewish Paradox, pp121 by Nahum Goldmann</p>
<p>&#8220;I will never apologize for the United States of America. I don&#8217;t care what the facts are.&#8221; After the US destroyer Vincennes in Iranian territorial waters, shoots down an Iranian commercial flight (Iran Air 654) in Iranian airspace killing all 286 passengers. &#8211; George Bush is quoted in the magazine, Newsweek, 1985</p>
<p>&#8220;Entering the city [Jerusalem, July 15, 1099], our pilgrims pursued and killed Saracens up to the Temple of Solomon, in which they had assembled and where they gave battle to us furiously for the whole day so that their blood flowed throughout the whole temple. Finally, having overcome the pagans, our knights seized a great number of men and women, and the killed whom they wished and whom they wished they let live&#8230;. Then, rejoicing and weeping from extreme joy, our men went to worship at the sepulchre of jour Saviour Jesus and thus fulfilled their pledge to Him&#8230;. They also ordered that all the Saracen dead should be thrown out of the city because of the extreme stench, for the city was almost full of their cadavers. The live Saracens dragged the dead out before the gates and made piles of them, like houses. No one has ever heard of or seen such a slaughter of pagan peoples since pyres were made of them like boundary marks, and no one except God knows their number.&#8221; &#8211; Histoire anonyme de la premiere croisade, L. Brehier</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually, its a lot of fun to fight. You know, it&#8217;s a hell of a hoot. I like brawling&#8230;You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn&#8217;t wear a veil&#8230;You know, guys like that ain&#8217;t got no manhood left anyway. So it&#8217;s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.&#8221; &#8211; Lt. Gen. James Mattis, US Army</p>
<p>&#8220;ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a hard choice, but I think, we, think, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s worth it.&#8221; Her response to a May 11, 1996 60 Minutes question about the over half a million children killed by the [Iraqi] sanctions. &#8211; Madeleine Albright 64th U.S. Secretary of State </p>
<p>I think, Dr. Railly, you&#8217;ve given the alarmists a bad name&#8230;surely there&#8217;s very real and very convincing data that the planet cannot survive the excesses of the human race. Proliferation of atomic devices&#8230;uncontrolled breeding habits&#8230;pollution of land, sea and air, the rape of the environment&#8230;in this context isn&#8217;t it obvious that Chicken Little represents the sane vision, and that homo sapiens&#8217; motto&#8211;&#8221;let&#8217;s go shopping&#8221;&#8211;is the cry of the true lunatic?</p>
<p>-Dr. Peters, &#8220;12 Monkeys&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Advise Dr. Herzl not to take any further steps in his project. I can not give away a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it is for all the Islamic Nation. The Islamic Nation that fought Jihad for the sake of this land and they have watered it with their blood. The Jews may keep their money and millions. If the Islamic Khalifah State is one day destroyed then they will be able to take Palestine without a price! But while I am alive, I would rather push a sword into my body than see the land of Palestine cut and given away from the Islamic State. This is something that will not be, I will not start cutting our bodies while we are alive.&#8221; &#8211; Sultan Abdul Hameed&#8217;s refusal to see Theodor Herzl, founder of the Zionist movement </p>
<p>This very week in 1989, there were protests in East Berlin and in Leipzig. By the end of that year, every communist dictatorship in Central America had collapsed.<br />
    &#8211;George w. Bush</p>
<p>Washington, DC<br />
11/06/2003</p>
<p>The Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) said, &#8220;Those who go to extremes are doomed; those who go to extremes are doomed; those who go to extremes are doomed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ths</title>
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		<dc:creator>ths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the
manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do
not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people
by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly
wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.&quot;
Winston Churchill

&quot;I do not understand this sqeamishness about the use of gas. I am
strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes.&quot; -
Winston Churchill, 19 February, 1920, before the start of the Arab
uprising

&quot;Winston Churchill: The Last Hero&quot; - US. News and World Report 29 May 2000


http://youtube.com/watch?v=7vnaf8R_


shame. shame on every single one of you. on behalf of all arabs i&#039;d like to thank you for the mess you&#039;ve left us with. you&#039;ve raped us, and i feel so sorry for my brothers who strap on bombs to themselves out of desparation. we know you are kind hearted people. especially finns are. but i can never forgive you for what you have done to us. you squabble about petty things, when all this time people are dying because of your mistakes. so since you are a &quot;stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly
wise race to put it that way&quot;, clean up the sh*t you left on us.
you have radicalized us and turned us into monsters. now it&#039;s time for you to find out the conditions of our cages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the<br />
manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do<br />
not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people<br />
by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly<br />
wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.&#8221;<br />
Winston Churchill</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not understand this sqeamishness about the use of gas. I am<br />
strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes.&#8221; -<br />
Winston Churchill, 19 February, 1920, before the start of the Arab<br />
uprising</p>
<p>&#8220;Winston Churchill: The Last Hero&#8221; &#8211; US. News and World Report 29 May 2000</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=7vnaf8R_" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=7vnaf8R_</a></p>
<p>shame. shame on every single one of you. on behalf of all arabs i&#8217;d like to thank you for the mess you&#8217;ve left us with. you&#8217;ve raped us, and i feel so sorry for my brothers who strap on bombs to themselves out of desparation. we know you are kind hearted people. especially finns are. but i can never forgive you for what you have done to us. you squabble about petty things, when all this time people are dying because of your mistakes. so since you are a &#8220;stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly<br />
wise race to put it that way&#8221;, clean up the sh*t you left on us.<br />
you have radicalized us and turned us into monsters. now it&#8217;s time for you to find out the conditions of our cages.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither side in the conflict has clean hands. I mainly object to the tendency of some to promote Israel as being inherently virtuous.

&quot;This suits for Finnish communist because it is a part of their ideology.&quot;

Alo is indulging in a logical fallacy known as the straw man argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither side in the conflict has clean hands. I mainly object to the tendency of some to promote Israel as being inherently virtuous.</p>
<p>&#8220;This suits for Finnish communist because it is a part of their ideology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alo is indulging in a logical fallacy known as the straw man argument.</p>
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		<title>By: alo</title>
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		<dc:creator>alo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile back in Middle East, Palestinians and terrorists still recruit children. This suits for Finnish communist because it is a part of their ideology.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060919/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_fighting_kids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile back in Middle East, Palestinians and terrorists still recruit children. This suits for Finnish communist because it is a part of their ideology.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060919/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_fighting_kids" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060919/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_fighting_kids</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@116 
(on Sudan) &quot;Did you do anything? Did the EU or UN do ANYTHING?&quot;

Did you - other than using it as an opportunity to bitch?

@117
&quot;Five years ago, Afghanistan was ruled by the brutal Taliban regime.&quot;

Alot of it still is, and they seem to be growing stronger. But hey, why not? After all they are essentially a US creation.

&quot;Five years ago, IraqÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s seat in this body was held by a dictator who killed his citizens...&quot;

And now the Americans are doing it instead.

&quot;invaded his neighbors...&quot;

The USA never had a problem with that, as long as Iran was the target! Compared with the Iran war, the Kuwait thing was relatively benign. 

&quot;...and showed his contempt for the world by defying more than a dozen U.N. Security Council resolutions.&quot;

Leave it to Winter to champion the cause of the noble UN!

&quot;Algeria... The United Arab Emirates... Kuwait... Saudi Arabia... Bahrain... Yemen and Egypt.&quot;

And of course, NONE of that would have happened without the benevolent intervention of the United States - the only possible source of anything good happening in this sad, ungrateful world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@116<br />
(on Sudan) &#8220;Did you do anything? Did the EU or UN do ANYTHING?&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you &#8211; other than using it as an opportunity to bitch?</p>
<p>@117<br />
&#8220;Five years ago, Afghanistan was ruled by the brutal Taliban regime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alot of it still is, and they seem to be growing stronger. But hey, why not? After all they are essentially a US creation.</p>
<p>&#8220;Five years ago, IraqÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s seat in this body was held by a dictator who killed his citizens&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And now the Americans are doing it instead.</p>
<p>&#8220;invaded his neighbors&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The USA never had a problem with that, as long as Iran was the target! Compared with the Iran war, the Kuwait thing was relatively benign. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and showed his contempt for the world by defying more than a dozen U.N. Security Council resolutions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Leave it to Winter to champion the cause of the noble UN!</p>
<p>&#8220;Algeria&#8230; The United Arab Emirates&#8230; Kuwait&#8230; Saudi Arabia&#8230; Bahrain&#8230; Yemen and Egypt.&#8221;</p>
<p>And of course, NONE of that would have happened without the benevolent intervention of the United States &#8211; the only possible source of anything good happening in this sad, ungrateful world!</p>
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		<title>By: winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the changes in the Middle East have been dramatic, and we see the results of democracy in action.

Five years ago, Afghanistan was ruled by the brutal Taliban regime.

Five years ago, Iraq&#039;s seat in this body was held by a dictator who killed his citizens, invaded his neighbors and showed his contempt for the world by defying more than a dozen U.N. Security Council resolutions.

Some of the changes in the Middle East are happening gradually, but they are real. Algeria has held its first competitive presidential election, and the military remained neutral.

The United Arab Emirates recently announced that half of its seats in the Federal National Council will be chosen by elections.

Kuwait held elections in which women were allowed to vote and run for office for the first time.

Citizens have voted in municipal elections in Saudi Arabia and parliamentary elections in Jordan and Bahrain and in multiparty presidential elections in Yemen and Egypt.

Damm the USA again. They did something. Did the EU do anything you all can point out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the changes in the Middle East have been dramatic, and we see the results of democracy in action.</p>
<p>Five years ago, Afghanistan was ruled by the brutal Taliban regime.</p>
<p>Five years ago, Iraq&#8217;s seat in this body was held by a dictator who killed his citizens, invaded his neighbors and showed his contempt for the world by defying more than a dozen U.N. Security Council resolutions.</p>
<p>Some of the changes in the Middle East are happening gradually, but they are real. Algeria has held its first competitive presidential election, and the military remained neutral.</p>
<p>The United Arab Emirates recently announced that half of its seats in the Federal National Council will be chosen by elections.</p>
<p>Kuwait held elections in which women were allowed to vote and run for office for the first time.</p>
<p>Citizens have voted in municipal elections in Saudi Arabia and parliamentary elections in Jordan and Bahrain and in multiparty presidential elections in Yemen and Egypt.</p>
<p>Damm the USA again. They did something. Did the EU do anything you all can point out?</p>
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