Comments on: Afghanistan has bombs because of war, Finland has bombs because of Social Services http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:45:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Freeridin' Franklin http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-87241 Freeridin' Franklin Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:10:09 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-87241 <i>I think we do not have enough information to judge this case.</i> That's never a problem in the blogosphere. I think we do not have enough information to judge this case.

That’s never a problem in the blogosphere.

]]> By: Dario http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-87171 Dario Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:26:26 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-87171 I think we do not have enough information to judge this case. Nobody knows the details, so it does not make sense to criticize (Phil?). I think we do not have enough information to judge this case. Nobody knows the details, so it does not make sense to criticize (Phil?).

]]> By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86784 Finnpundit Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:02:14 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86784 Yes, it's often difficult for Finns to understand without an outside perspective. Yes, it’s often difficult for Finns to understand without an outside perspective.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86768 Anonymous Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:52:44 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86768 Finnpundit, I am truly glad that there are astute individuals such as yourself on the internet who are on to the welfare-statist conspiracies and keep us all informed. Finnpundit, I am truly glad that there are astute individuals such as yourself on the internet who are on to the welfare-statist conspiracies and keep us all informed.

]]> By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86760 Finnpundit Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:27:30 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86760 134: Now you're being silly. There are no mind control rays necessary, as most of the basic molding is done in the early years, through the state schools and state church. The use of British and American textbooks in subsequent years give the illusion that a Finnish educational system is open to all points-of-view, which is necessary the older the students get. But the bigotry Finns are famous for gets ingrained very early on. 134: Now you’re being silly. There are no mind control rays necessary, as most of the basic molding is done in the early years, through the state schools and state church. The use of British and American textbooks in subsequent years give the illusion that a Finnish educational system is open to all points-of-view, which is necessary the older the students get. But the bigotry Finns are famous for gets ingrained very early on.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86735 Anonymous Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:10:10 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86735 <i>continues with those lucky enough to be admitted to state-controlled universities.</i> They are really cunning too, implanting microchips emitting mind control rays into British and American textbooks, even those ordered from Amazon. continues with those lucky enough to be admitted to state-controlled universities.

They are really cunning too, implanting microchips emitting mind control rays into British and American textbooks, even those ordered from Amazon.

]]> By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86718 Finnpundit Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:50:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86718 Actually, no political re-education camps are needed in Finland, as most of the indoctrination is done in state-monopolized public schools throughout a child's life, and continues with those lucky enough to be admitted to state-controlled universities. Actually, no political re-education camps are needed in Finland, as most of the indoctrination is done in state-monopolized public schools throughout a child’s life, and continues with those lucky enough to be admitted to state-controlled universities.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86675 Anonymous Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:22:41 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86675 <i>Wow. That’s scary. From the sounds of it, parents need to live in a constant state of paranoia, if raising a child in Finland.</i> Yes, the welfare state keeps a register of e.g. flat tax advocates and constantly bullies them with the threat of taking their children away. Once they do, if the parents file a complaint, they are sent to political reeducation camps. Most of them never return. Wow. That’s scary. From the sounds of it, parents need to live in a constant state of paranoia, if raising a child in Finland.

Yes, the welfare state keeps a register of e.g. flat tax advocates and constantly bullies them with the threat of taking their children away. Once they do, if the parents file a complaint, they are sent to political reeducation camps. Most of them never return.

]]> By: tomia http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86615 tomia Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:23:22 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86615 What's probably even scarier, are the circumstances under which certain kids live before they are taken into custody - or the way those kids turn out if they are not for some reason. What’s probably even scarier, are the circumstances under which certain kids live before they are taken into custody – or the way those kids turn out if they are not for some reason.

]]> By: hfb http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86607 hfb Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:02:49 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86607 tomia - well, I thought the same thing, especially after the "most of the time I’ve been fighting those instances - as all Finnish parents do." I won't be having or raising my kid here, but overall it does seem like a scary system, especially for furriners. tomia – well, I thought the same thing, especially after the “most of the time I’ve been fighting those instances – as all Finnish parents do.” I won’t be having or raising my kid here, but overall it does seem like a scary system, especially for furriners.

]]> By: tomia http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86565 tomia Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:13:45 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86565 <i>Wow. That’s scary.</i> The only thing that is scary is your total lack of realism. When was the last time they let you out to the real world? Wow. That’s scary.

The only thing that is scary is your total lack of realism. When was the last time they let you out to the real world?

]]> By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86291 Finnpundit Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:16:06 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86291 <i>most of the time I’ve been fighting those instances - as all Finnish parents do.</i> Wow. That’s scary. From the sounds of it, parents need to live in a constant state of paranoia, if raising a child in Finland. Worrying what the state might do seems to be more of a concern than the child itself. most of the time I’ve been fighting those instances – as all Finnish parents do.

Wow. That’s scary. From the sounds of it, parents need to live in a constant state of paranoia, if raising a child in Finland. Worrying what the state might do seems to be more of a concern than the child itself.

]]> By: Finnpundit http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86290 Finnpundit Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:14:58 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86290 <i>most of the time I’ve been fighting those instances - as all Finnish parents do. Wow. That's scary. From the sounds of it, parents need to live in a constant state of paranoia, if raising a child in Finland. Worrying what the state might do seems to be more of a concern than the child itself.</i> most of the time I’ve been fighting those instances – as all Finnish parents do.

Wow. That’s scary. From the sounds of it, parents need to live in a constant state of paranoia, if raising a child in Finland. Worrying what the state might do seems to be more of a concern than the child itself.

]]> By: tomia http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86197 tomia Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:42:09 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86197 “She also notes that one third of social workers either lack qualifications, or are working on short-term contracts.” That's not good, of course, but as has been noted several times, it's not the social workers who make the final decision (if the parent(s) disagree). If you are afraid, as you've told you are, that your child will be taken away: - don't let you neighbors, husband etc to have a reason to doubt your ability to parent your child - don't let the social workers to doubt your ability to parent your child - don't let the social and health board to doubt your ability to parent your child - don't let the court to doubt your ability to parent your child - don't let the ombudsman to doubt your ability to parent your child - and finally, don't let the European Court of Human Rights to doubt your ability to parent your child I've raised two kids, and honestly it's been a struggle; most of the time I've been fighting those instances - as all Finnish parents do. “She also notes that one third of social workers either lack qualifications, or are working on short-term contracts.”

That’s not good, of course, but as has been noted several times, it’s not the social workers who make the final decision (if the parent(s) disagree). If you are afraid, as you’ve told you are, that your child will be taken away:
- don’t let you neighbors, husband etc to have a reason to doubt your ability to parent your child
- don’t let the social workers to doubt your ability to parent your child
- don’t let the social and health board to doubt your ability to parent your child
- don’t let the court to doubt your ability to parent your child
- don’t let the ombudsman to doubt your ability to parent your child
- and finally, don’t let the European Court of Human Rights to doubt your ability to parent your child

I’ve raised two kids, and honestly it’s been a struggle; most of the time I’ve been fighting those instances – as all Finnish parents do.

]]> By: hfb http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/comment-page-3/#comment-86187 hfb Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:56:54 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/09/01/afghanistan-has-bombs-because-of-war-finland-has-bombs-because-of-social-services/#comment-86187 Article in the English ed. of the HS today about increasing numbers of children being taken into custody. "She also notes that one third of social workers either lack qualifications, or are working on short-term contracts." http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Number+of+children+in+protective+care+continues+to+grow/1135221402257 Article in the English ed. of the HS today about increasing numbers of children being taken into custody.

“She also notes that one third of social workers either lack qualifications, or are working on short-term contracts.”

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Number+of+children+in+protective+care+continues+to+grow/1135221402257

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