That problem can be handled by carefully choosing who is let into the country. Finland should only take people who are rather secular and highly educated people who do not have a pre-modern mindset. Finland should learn from the mistakes of the rest of Europe that until recently did not check at all who would be allowed to imigrate. Too often those who were let in will not bother to integrate in 4th or 5th generation. So please Finland, be smarter.

Very good point but Finland don’t need educated and modern immigrants. First of all, educated and modern person will never move to Finland(many other good places to earn money instead of financing finnish alcoholics) and second there is no job for him. The only open vacancies for immigrants are in cleaning sector.

One must be an idiot with degree to move here and work as a cleaner.

There is no choice for Finland to be smarter! In general 2nd generation is too young at the moment but after 10 years we’ll witness France…

All with Finnish diplomas, without language problems, most with citizenship but without work as their parents.

Just out of interest, the Swedish authorities offer free courses in the Swedish language to immmigrants (SFI – svenska för invandrare). SFI courses are arranged by the municipalities and I think that unemployed immigrants must go to them in order to get their benefits (or perhaps it is to get the higher rate of benefits at least). Learning the language is vital for intergration and employment prospects.

I was just wandering, does the Finnish government offer any similar courses in Finnish and/or Swedish for immigrants?

Yes, there is the “integration allowance” which is a bit better(non spousal-means-tested) than the general never-worked-before dole handout. Theres full-time Finnish courses and an “basics in Finland” course as well. I guess they have Swedish courses somewhere as well.

To alexbafana:
“…who are rather secular…”
Do you expect rather religious people to be the ones getting convicted of drug and property crimes? C’mon now.

To JG:
Yes. On integration training for immigrants in the pages of Ministry of Labour: http://mol.fi/mol/en/04_migration/01_integration/02_training/index.jsp

In July I was in a Helsinki grocery store (supermarket?) and the check out clerk, whom I assume was Somali, spoke to me in English and my Finn host in Finnish. I don’t know about her Finnish, but her English was excellent. Since I hadn’t identified myself in any way, I was impressed.

“I was just wandering, does the Finnish government offer any similar courses in Finnish and/or Swedish for immigrants? ”

If the Finnish government were smart, it would offer free courses in Swedish. Then maybe the immigrants would move to Sweden. Heh Heh, just kidding

Insofar as immigrants with religious backgrounds moving here, I’d suspect that they are far less likely to cause problems. I don’t mind that type of diversity since it’s mostly non-threatening.

Belino, you’re so right. What is Mafia paying nowadays in Italy?

Finland, whatever she decides to do, should not look towards Sweden for ideas about how to handle and integrate immigrants.

Learn from the mistakes of other European nations,immigrants should be a solid investment for the future, not a quick fix.

Why doesn’t Finland consider either

1. Accept no immigrants… just leave the country in peace and quiet as the Finns themselves wish. The government is serving the people, and if they want the place for themselves, I think the Finns have this right. Why become another California multikulti mess?

2. Accept only immigrants from very similar cultures, such as from Estonia, Latvia, Lithuiania. In any case, have guts and admit that the country wants only white immigration, even if there is a socalled backlash against this declaration. Finland will suffer enormously from crime and social disintegration if nonwhites proliferate through reproduction and more immigration. The culture, the harmony and the basic life will be threatened, not to mention the education system and the already welfare-burdened economy.

3. If nonwhites MUST be accepted, by some kind of EU baloney, take only Chinese. They should be given NO welfare, and put to work immediately, with the only freebie language classes. Guaranteed that they will be runnning circles around your own kids in the local schools and taking the best university places within one generation, and their restaurants and other service businesses will help the local economy, the taxbase, and the real needs of Finnish families, i.e. laundries, restaurants, copy shops, carwash or repair, etc. These are the businesses which flourish in the USA when the Chinese come, and the local people use the services, the Chinese immigrants stay busy and out of trouble, their culture pushes them into hard studies and no hankypanky.

Lets start with a disclaimer:-

I’m an immigrant from the UK. I’m White as if that has anything what so ever to do with anything.

Finns are a close minded bunch as a nation, they live by a simple rule of thumb “Better the enemy you know than the one you don’t”. Its a fact that Finns in a bar fight will kick each others asses and on occassion even stab or shoot each other will not even call the police unless needed. And thats only because someone is being all politically correct and harmonious or dieing. However if any incident involves a foreigner then the average Finn expects the police to defend the Finnish person even though it could be the Finns fault. And the foreigner is taken away.

The average foreigner for whatever reason doesn’t have the same respect for gestapo police actions and will usually resist arrest if felt provoked. Then due to (“theory”) police victimisation penalties for a native finn and a foreigner will not be the same for the same crime. This is not to say Finland is alone in this action. For example I can expect foreigners in the UK get just as bad treatment. This just inforces the perception that when your in a foreign country respect more than usual the rights of the natives and take extra care not to get into trouble.

Its been ommitted from the news article what the convictions actually were for in these results. And unknown also was the race of the immegrant. So to assume an immegrant is black, yellow or green is just showing the “junti-ness” of this blogs readership. So while your fucking reindeer, and trying to think of good reasons how Finland somehow “WON” the second world war with the Nazi’s. Look for the facts behind a story rather than lighting the torches and going on a blackman hunting expedition.

P.S. IMMEGRANT is intentionally spelt that way for the JUNTI. Phonetics is the basis of the Finnish language you know!!

Take a long, hard look at Sweden and see whether multi-racialism is a good thing or not!

Hint: gang-rapes are now so common that the media hardly mention them anymore. When they do mention them, they cover up the racial aspect of these horrible crimes. Fact is, the perpetrators are almost exclusively non-white immigrants, while the victims are mostly young Nordic girls.

I could tell you stories that would make your blood freeze. Like the four kurdish men, ages 16, 22, 26 and 30, who raped a 13-year old Swedish girl. Two of the men were sentenced to 8 months in prison and 1 month of juvenile prison, respectively. Two were aquitted, receiving 231,000 and 92,000 crowns as compensation for lost income and ”mental anguish” – even though it is apparent they were, at the very least, watching and masturbating while the rape was going on. The two men who were convicted were sentenced to pay the girl they had raped 90,000 crowns. Yes, you read me right, and no, I’m not making this up.

Or let me tell you about the two Swedish girls who were assaulted by four Blacks, robbed, beaten to a bloody pulp, and one of them also raped by at least two of them. The other girl avoided being raped by playing dead. Here is a picture of one of the girls after the attack: http://www.invandring.se/arkiv/blaslagen.jpg

Here is what the TV Show Efterlyst (“Wanted”) wrote of the incident:
http://www.efterlyst.tv3.se/default.asp?menuItem=2&subMenuItem=9&contentItem=154

And this is what Sweden’s largest-circulation newspaper Aftonbladet wrote: http://deliveryc.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,737067,00.html

If you don’t understand Swedish, let me explain. The four Somalis are shown in Aftonbladet with clearly Nordic-looking silhouettes and presented to the readers as two Swedes, one Finn, and one “Somali citizen residing in Sweden”.

Oh, and note that Efterlyst also very often covers up the race of criminals. In this case they do not, possibly because the word was already out on the Internet. One of the victims was courageous enough to come forth openly in the media. Efterlyst agreed to feature her only on the explicit condition that she renounce the National Democratic Party, which had been planning to hold a demonstration against gang-raping immigrants, during the interview.

Another thing indicating the extent of how low Swedish society has sunk into the moral abyss of political correctness, is that one of the girls described the assailants as “negroes” during police questioning. This caused the interviewer to aggressively lash out: “You aren’t allowed to say that!” (The girl has related this incident to Nationalist media afterwards.) Remember, please, just how badly damaged the girl had been, and the full extent of the moral bankrupcy of the politically-indoctrinated [thought] police hits you.

The sentences for these four nice Afro-swedish culture-enrichers, as the PC media actually try to call them, once they were captured: 2 years; 3 months; 2 months; and the last one got aquitted, despite the fact that one of the others, who confessed to rape, pointed him out as the second rapist.

Now, is it any wonder that a young Arab said to the newspaper Dagens Nyheter (2002-02-11) that “The only thing that happens if you rape a Swedish girl is that you have to talk to some lady from social services.”

And these are just two examples, even if they are among the worst, among untold thousands of crimes being committed against Swedish people by the culturally enriching Third World hordes.

Whenever the media reluctantly mention these true hate crimes, rapes and robberies and assaults, committed against Swedes, the mantra goes: “The worst thing about these crimes is that they may cause racism to spread.”

(Oh, and us horrible, unfeeling, hate-filled racists who actually thought that OUR people were the ones suffering from these crimes…)

Not that racially foreign immigration would be a good thing even if it weren’t for the aspect of crime. The even more important thing is this: It will destroy our race.

No, I don’t believe that the Nordic race is necessarily ”superior”. I certainly don’t burn with hatred against other races. However, I sure as hell DO believe that our race is worth preserving.

Just stop and think for a damn moment. Do you really, REALLY want to see the, for the most part, light-haired, light-eyed people who surround you REPLACED by dark-skinned, dark-haired, dark-eyed ”others”?

A female Swedish politician recently commented that: ”I love to see little blonde kids (‘små lintottar’). Is there anything wrong with that in a country that used to be swarming with them?”

Well, her party, Moderaterna, certainly thought so. She was forced to resign. Her own husband publicly renounced her ”racist” statement.

And all she had said was that she loved Nordic kids.

Now, if that’s not racist, I don’t know what is. Not HER comment, mind you, but the politically correct reaction to it. Is it not the most vile, hate-filled racism imaginable when you are no longer allowed to express love for your own kind, in your own country?

Imagine a Black politician – in an African country – saying ”I love to see little Black kids” – and being chastised for it!

I ask you, would that not be racist in the extreme? Would that not scream ‘colonialism’ to high heaven?

And that is just what current immigration policy is: colonialism. They don’t come with guns like we did. They don’t have to, because our traitorous politicians let them in anyway and our traitorous mass media attack, vilify and smear anyone who tries to object. The end result, though, will be much worse than anything we EVER did to another people.

In approximately fifty years, Swedes will be a minority in our own country. If you know anything about the attitude many immigrants have against Swedes today (the gang-rapes are the tip of the iceberg), imagine how they will treat us THEN.

Our Minister of Integration, Jens Orback, recently made this remark on the radio: ”We should be tolerant of Islam and Muslims, because when we become a minority they will treat us the same way.” Yeah, right.

And in the long run, in a few hundred years – which, historically speaking, is the blink of an eye – it will mean NO MORE little blonde kids – ever again. No more Swedes or Finns or Norwegians or Danes. Ever. We will be replaced and crowded out of existence.

A more likely alternative, if you take a look at history, is that an ethnic civil war will break out sooner or later. Just think of Yugoslavia, where the racial and cultural difference between the different peoples involved was far less marked than between Nordics and most of the immigrants pouring over our borders.

Is this what you really want? WHY WOULD YOU, for heaven’s sake? Nothing good can come out of it.

To anyone who says that we need immigrants to “support our aging population,” I’d just like to ask: Why not more Swedes or Finns instead? Why not advocate a sane population policy which encourages child-bearing among ourselves? Why not use all available media to make the whole people aware of this simple rule of life: Breed or Die! Either you beget more children, or YOU WILL BE REPLACED BY OTHER PEOPLES AND RACES.

If the media would quit trying to make us ashamed for caring for our race, and if, instead, this message was trumpeted by the media – even with just a fraction of the intensity which is currently being employed for making us less “racist” – do you really doubt that our people would heed the call? We would only need one more child per woman, on average, in order to get back on track and not having to worry about an aging population. If this wasn’t enough, we could use economic incentives. Also, we could give recognition to women who bore many children, instead of chastising them for not having a career. Does anyone in his right mind really believe it could not be done?

No, the only real question is: Do we want to survive as a race, or do we wish to cease existing? Do we want a world without Nordics? Why would we?

I just don’t understand how some people can think that the extinction of the Nordic race would be a good thing.

What is it about us that you hate so much that we must not be allowed to continue to exist as a people? And please, don’t give me any BS about ”there’s no such thing as race” or whatever it-doesn’t-matter-argument you can come up with. If the light-skinned, mostly light-haired, light-eyed people which has lived here in Scandinavia with its own particular culture (cultural diffusion from other peoples notwithstanding) changes into a population which is just as dark-skinned, dark-haired and dark-eyed as the population of Egypt, Turkey or even Italy, then we have been replaced and crowded out of existence – whether you want to call it a race or not. If that happens, something irreplacable has been lost. No matter what politically correct euphemisms you toss around to justify this genocide.

I don’t want to see that happen. It DOES matter, I DO care, and I don’t want to see my own race be replaced by others. Nothing on this green Earth can make me think it doesn’t matter. I love blonde kids, too. (And although I and my kids have brown eyes, I sure as hell don’t want to see light eyes being crowded out either.)

Sincerely,

Dan
Member of the wickedly racist evil nazi (according to the mass media) Nordic Association (Nordiska Förbundet) and National Democratic Party (Nationaldemokraterna)

P.S. And bragging about color-blindness is about as intelligent as bragging about gouging your own eyes out – though less painful, I’m sure. It’s simply a self-imposed handicap, a refusal to look at the world the way it is. There’s nothing noble about it, it’s just plain stupidity.

Geezopete, folks, get your panties from outta yer buttcracks and relax. History is replete with waves of immigrants provoking waves of hysteria in host societies, yet most immigrants, most of the time, settle in after a few generations.

It’s attitudes like the ones posted on this list that make me so glad I live where I do: the USA. It’s not a perfect society, heaven knows, and I can’t stand Bush, but dang if we’re not more open-minded about differences.

Dan – I wish more people (that is, white Western people) had your sense and saw the world in your light. I honestly don’t believe that I could have said what you said in any better fashion.

AmeriikanEnkeli – History IS replete with waves of immigration. But history is not replete with waves of inter-civilizational and inter-racial waves of immigration from people with different cultures and phenotypes. When white immigrants move to white countries, sure – sometimes there’s hysteria. But the differences (especially given that no one really cares about religion in white countries anymore, with the possible exception of the US of A) will disappear in a generation or two. Often second generation immigrants don’t speak the language of their parents. Usually by the third generation, basically all of it is lost. But if you understood anything (which you clearly don’t, or purposely choose to ignore) about racial realities – you would know that immigration in its present form (the majority of it being non-white and Third-World) it undesireable because integration between different racial groups sharing a single country is…well….basically impossible. Example? Look at the black people in your own country. 15 generations later, they’re still not integrated into the population. They still disproportionately rape, steal, mug and murder. Funny how Polish-Americans (or other white groups) don’t.

European countries, while indeed suffering from the problem of low birth rates, shouldn’t have to put up with 15 generations (and counting…) of bullshit simply for the sake of ‘economic growth’ while sacrificing social cohesion and their hard-won socioeconomic model (this is especially true of the Scandinavian nations).

I agree whole-heartedly with basically everything Dan has pointed out. Third world immigration + low white birth rates = cultural and racial GENOCIDE.

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Now the rape wave has hit Oulu, Finland. 3 gang rapes in 3 months!

Wow, you guys are refreshingly politically incorrect…why do nonwhite immigrants (except East Asians and Indians I guess) hate so much? I want to think it’s not genetic, but they’re like that everywhere they go. Never thought I’d see the “white racialist” point of view and find it to be more logical than what passes for mainstream “racial debate” in the US.

When you are not allowed to defend your self by your own laws, you become the victim. In the USA crime is going down in states that have right to carry laws. That means right to carry a gun, which requires a criminal background check. There are over 2,000,000 crimes prevented by the victim having a gun. No one ever raped a .38or a 9mm. My business was the only one that was not robbed on my street. The police told me that the criminal ellement said that he has guns and dogs leave him alone. Washington D.C. has the highest crime and murder rate in the U.S.and the strictest gun laws. The political left are protected by living in compounds with private guards. The minorities any race become the victims. If guns cause crime then pencils cause misspelled words. You will not see these statistics in american newspapers. Americans do not under stand propaganda but thats understandable they don’t read and sadly can’t read. Your government(politicians), hold them accountable become involved they are not governed you are. Kitos.

The Negroid is a living fossil.

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Dan, Sweden. I can relate to your sense of frustration. After reading your comment, I was ready to join your party as well (I am Chinese by the way). You should read the book “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, then you understand where the problems with muslims come from. Especially dealing with issues such as women’s rights.

I agree with Ayaan on this one. Secular europeans should stand up for themselves.

By the way, I CONCUR with Belino. (“One must be an idiot with a university degree to come here to work as a cleaner”).

It has always been frustrating for me to grow up in Finland. I’ve never got the acceptance for being part of their society even though how hard I tried to seek for it. My problem isn’t language.

My guess is that Finns are not used to me. I am an asian, therefore I am not Finnish. I will always be a second-class citizen in their eyes who abuse their (perfect) welfare system. I just grew tired of it.

I’ve moved out from Scandinavia to Toronto, Canada. And gradually settling down and making it my home. I love their multicultural atmosphere. It’s unlike anywhere I have been to.

Hell, I just recently discovered that there are foreigners in Finland!

MARK, by the way. We do NOT need welfare…

I live in France, strangely, the situation is the same here. It’s so good to be treated as “dirty french”, “chalkface” , “dirty gaul” or “dirty cheese” when you simply walk on the street. I’ve lived until 18 in a small country town with no immigrant, and I was anti-racist, until I moved to a bigger city with a large arab and black population, and then you can’t see things the same way anymore.
After 20 altercation (insults, thefts, agressions…) and realizing it was each time by groups of blacks or arabs (never alone of course, how brave!), you have to come to reality.
I know that a majority of them aren’t physicaly violent, but I suspect a hate feeling to be common in these community. The same thing happens everywhere they are, there must be a cultural hate that makes the more violent of them take white as targets.
Of course, no one in the media or politics talks about the subject, eluding it by talking of “young peoples” or “young people from the suburbs” but never clearly talking of who they realy are, arabs and blacks. As long as no one will talk or discuss the situation to stay politicaly correct, things can only get worse.
Unofficial numbers state that 70% of convicts in jails are of immigrant descent, but there’s no official statistics on the subject, they’re forbidden and they’re hidden if anybody tries to study the matter, as if the politicians don’t want to know for fear of Nazi or fascist tendencies in the population again.
Well, enough said, I’m sick and tired of the situation, and I’m realy pessimist about the future.

P.S.: Sorry for the english if I made mistakes

I am deeply saden by the fact that the picture of this women is what happens to some people, this should not be happening it scares me to walk out my door when it STARTS to get dark outside, osmetimes I lock my bedroom door even though the other windows and doors are locked just incase someone finds a way to get in and I don’t here it, I am sickend by this and we must find someways to stop it IMMIDIATLY

with my understanding.this message is very seriuos for any one who read it .am not here to preach for you but this is clear words.do not be wise in your own eyes. fear the lord and shun evil.this will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones.remember the last day.it will very difficut for a sinners.

Muslims and African refugees have no place in Western countries and should not be allowed in. Finland was a successful and homogenous country until some leftist tard though it was “too white” and decided it was time to swarm in the dirty somalians. Why is it if a country is “too white” it needs “diversity”? You never hear about that needing to happen in Asia or The Middle East where few caucasian people reside. Finland, you need to start deporting these social ilks before they cause you problems. Many European countries’ rapes and crimes have soared from these people. Don’t become a statistic.

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