Comments on: How the welfare state model creates racism http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Finn http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-362327 Finn Tue, 13 May 2008 21:21:36 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-362327 Racism in Finland is for the protcetion culture and genetical heritage. How many truely succesful multicultural nations is there? USA is the worst case scenario to happen. Corruption, poverty, religious and cultural differences cause conflicts, increasing drugs and criminality. About genetical heritage. USA is VERY heterogenous but Finland is VERY homogenous so we all in Finland like one big family(all are related to other one way or another)there are ups and downs in homohgenosity but they can someday be fixed. Outsiders are not allowed to intervene with our business or just immigrate to our land wich we and our family has worked so hard for. For ex. somalians came unwanted to Finland and what are they good for? Our nation has to use money on them and they are beggin all around the streets. Foreigners are allowed to come but on one condition: when in Rome, do as the Romans do. PS. THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIN AND FINN OR FINISH AND FINNISH ARE STARTING TO GET ON MY NERVE!!!!!! Racism in Finland is for the protcetion culture and genetical heritage.
How many truely succesful multicultural nations is there? USA is the worst case scenario to happen. Corruption, poverty, religious and cultural differences cause conflicts, increasing drugs and criminality. About genetical heritage.
USA is VERY heterogenous but Finland is VERY homogenous so we all in Finland like one big family(all are related to other one way or another)there are ups and downs in homohgenosity but they can someday be fixed. Outsiders are not allowed to intervene with our business or just immigrate to our land wich we and our family has worked so hard for. For ex. somalians came unwanted to Finland and what are they good for? Our nation has to use money on them and they are beggin all around the streets. Foreigners are allowed to come but on one condition: when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

PS. THOSE WHO DON’T KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIN AND FINN OR FINISH AND FINNISH ARE STARTING TO GET ON MY NERVE!!!!!!

]]> By: Mutanaama http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-315935 Mutanaama Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:49:52 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-315935 I come to Finland BEFORE the recession. The racism I met was incredible. " Where you from, why you are here, when will you go back to your home country? " This was typical 90% of the time. Or: " you must be unemployed, living from our tax money " Me: No I am not, I make handicrafts. Fin: " So you are taking the job away from a Finish gold smith ". Me: " No because I work with non precious metals ". About the Somalis: The Finish government was obligated by international agreements to take refugees. The Finish government was informed that hey had to prepare to take a certain number of Somali refugees. The Finish government did not make any preparations for the arriving Somali refugees. They had to put them to hotels. Which made the Fins very angry but they were not angry at their government for not making preparations in time but were angry at the Somalis. Remember also when after long discussion the Finish government agreed to take a huge number of refugees ( about 500 while Sweden agreed to take several thousand and without complain ) Finland hasn't been my first country but nowhere did I ever experience so much hate and racism ( with the exemption of some parts in Belgium ) As her in Finland. I am from South Europe. I have been living in Germany before for 13 years. Never ever was I being insulted in Germany in Bars and only ONE time on the street. In Finland it was almost daily. I had 3 kids with a Finish women and my jewelery business was doing fine. Things are much better now. My guess is that about 50% of the Fins are racists. The older they are the more they hate. I do enjoy a conversation here and then with young Fins. 25 or younger. 35 and older, most of them are full of shit. Positive conclusion: About 50% of the Fins are OK PS: It is OK for Finland to export 500.000 Finns but having 50.000 foreigners in Finland ( that time when I come to Finland ) is way to much. It was also OK then for Finish pensioners to own entire villages in Portugal but when a French company wanted to build a factory in Finland .. what an outcry come from most Fins. Finish banks again buying a factory in Belgium .. very good but NOT the other way round. I come to Finland BEFORE the recession.
The racism I met was incredible.
” Where you from, why you are here, when will you go back to your home country? ”
This was typical 90% of the time.
Or: ” you must be unemployed, living from our tax money ” Me: No I am not, I make handicrafts. Fin: ” So you are taking the job away from a Finish gold smith “.
Me: ” No because I work with non precious metals “.
About the Somalis: The Finish government was obligated by international
agreements to take refugees. The Finish government was informed that hey had to prepare to take a certain number of Somali refugees. The Finish government did not make any preparations for the arriving Somali refugees.
They had to put them to hotels. Which made the Fins very angry but they were not angry at their government for not making preparations in time but were angry at the Somalis.
Remember also when after long discussion the Finish government agreed to take a huge number of refugees ( about 500 while Sweden agreed to take several thousand and without complain )
Finland hasn’t been my first country but nowhere did I ever experience so much hate and racism ( with the exemption of some parts in Belgium )
As her in Finland.
I am from South Europe.
I have been living in Germany before for 13 years.
Never ever was I being insulted in Germany in Bars and only ONE time on the street.
In Finland it was almost daily.
I had 3 kids with a Finish women and my jewelery business was doing fine.
Things are much better now.
My guess is that about 50% of the Fins are racists.
The older they are the more they hate.
I do enjoy a conversation here and then with young Fins. 25 or younger.
35 and older, most of them are full of shit.
Positive conclusion: About 50% of the Fins are OK
PS: It is OK for Finland to export 500.000 Finns but having 50.000 foreigners in Finland ( that time when I come to Finland ) is way to much.
It was also OK then for Finish pensioners to own entire villages in Portugal but when a French company wanted to build a factory in Finland ..
what an outcry come from most Fins. Finish banks again buying a factory in Belgium .. very good but NOT the other way round.

]]> By: Hee http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-95575 Hee Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:20:24 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-95575 Its human nature to be racist Finns are no exception to every country in this world Its human nature to be racist
Finns are no exception to every country in this world

]]> By: Marty http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-69858 Marty Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:16:39 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-69858 I feel that Finland is for the Finns, and you should deprot the Somalis to the U.S. They would fit in very well over here. The peace you had in Finland, that the Finns in the past fought for means nothing to them. December 6th is a day that holds great feelings to the heart of a Finn. Finland is not a melting pot the, U.S. was founded as one! P.S. Sure wanted to make it to Finn Fest in Astoria, Oregon which is going on from 26th to the 30th of July! I feel that Finland is for the Finns, and you should deprot the Somalis to the U.S. They would fit in very well over here. The peace you had in Finland, that the Finns in the past fought for means nothing to them. December 6th is a day that holds great feelings to the heart of a Finn. Finland is not a melting pot the, U.S. was founded as one! P.S. Sure wanted to make it to Finn Fest in Astoria, Oregon which is going on from 26th to the 30th of July!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-69304 Anonymous Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:05:49 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-69304 "Kerry winning? Lets all send Kerry to fix the current Middle east problem. He said he was the go to guy (Reporting for duty), so lets send him in." I would have thought that George W. "I'm a uniter not a divider" Bush would have been able to sort it out by now, especially since he had sooo much experience before he was "elected." My four-year-old could run the country better than that incompetent. “Kerry winning? Lets all send Kerry to fix the current Middle east problem. He said he was the go to guy (Reporting for duty), so lets send him in.”

I would have thought that George W. “I’m a uniter not a divider” Bush would have been able to sort it out by now, especially since he had sooo much experience before he was “elected.”

My four-year-old could run the country better than that incompetent.

]]> By: winter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-69255 winter Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:32:47 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-69255 Kerry winning? Lets all send Kerry to fix the current Middle east problem. He said he was the go to guy (Reporting for duty), so lets send him in. Kerry winning? Lets all send Kerry to fix the current Middle east problem. He said he was the go to guy (Reporting for duty), so lets send him in.

]]> By: Helsinkian http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-69250 Helsinkian Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:59:41 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-69250 Nirva: would the libertarians who voted for Kerry regretted their vote had Kerry won? After all, their reaction can simply be that since they lost anyway, they'd rather have lost voting for their own guy. What about libertarians who voted for Bush (some twice)? Nirva: would the libertarians who voted for Kerry regretted their vote had Kerry won? After all, their reaction can simply be that since they lost anyway, they’d rather have lost voting for their own guy. What about libertarians who voted for Bush (some twice)?

]]> By: Helsinkian http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-69249 Helsinkian Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:55:22 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-69249 It's a good question of how this blog has changed my view on libertarianism. I must say it has remained unchanged but become more nuanced. I had read libertarian stuff before reading Phil and I think Phil's blog is better than most libertarian websites, not least because libertarian views get challenged here. Regardless of what kind of political platform a blogger has, I like to read a post to the end before making my mind on it, even if I can see from the first line where it's aiming at. In this case I actually think some of the posts are better argued at the end of the post than what the beginning promises. When Phil makes a good argument, I think I could see this issue from a libertarian point of view. When I feel that it's a post that could only have been written by a libertarian and only libertarians get it, it makes me less inclined to see the issue from a libertarian point of view. Whether we are non-libertarians or libertarians, I believe libertarian arguments will have more influence in twenty years' time than they have today. I expect more libertarians in positions of power (perhaps in the corporate world or even in the military), even if there will not be a libertarian political party than can seriously challenge the top dogs of politics in most countries. Libertarianism will gain ground among at least some socialist parties so that the liberal values agenda will by promoted more than the economic agenda. Among conservative parties libertarianism will gain ground so that the culture wars agenda will not be as prominent as the free market agenda. Maybe it's just my feeling that the US liberals have been losing in the economic debate (which has given heart even to European conservatives) and European conservatives have mostly had to give up on their conservative values (which gives heart to US liberals that social conservatism will lose out to liberal values even there). In this way, the libertarian agenda is advanced by default, when the conservatives gain ground in economic issues and liberals in social issues. I'd expect Finnpundit (who is not a libertarian, and neither am I, nor am I a supporter of Finnpundit for that matter) to be even much more strongly of this opinion than I myself am. I'd probably disagree with him on the consequences but that's a very possible trend. Funnily enough, if the conservative gains in economic issues and liberal gains in social issues would be replaced by libertarian gains across the board, the results would be much more extreme. Since neither conservatives nor liberals (in Europe social democrats) believe in libertarianism, they are never bound to go overboard in their enthusiasm for more libertarian politics (they are rather adapting to a tendency toward more individualism, which has changed the essence of both conservative and liberal politics). It’s a good question of how this blog has changed my view on libertarianism. I must say it has remained unchanged but become more nuanced. I had read libertarian stuff before reading Phil and I think Phil’s blog is better than most libertarian websites, not least because libertarian views get challenged here. Regardless of what kind of political platform a blogger has, I like to read a post to the end before making my mind on it, even if I can see from the first line where it’s aiming at. In this case I actually think some of the posts are better argued at the end of the post than what the beginning promises. When Phil makes a good argument, I think I could see this issue from a libertarian point of view. When I feel that it’s a post that could only have been written by a libertarian and only libertarians get it, it makes me less inclined to see the issue from a libertarian point of view.

Whether we are non-libertarians or libertarians, I believe libertarian arguments will have more influence in twenty years’ time than they have today. I expect more libertarians in positions of power (perhaps in the corporate world or even in the military), even if there will not be a libertarian political party than can seriously challenge the top dogs of politics in most countries. Libertarianism will gain ground among at least some socialist parties so that the liberal values agenda will by promoted more than the economic agenda. Among conservative parties libertarianism will gain ground so that the culture wars agenda will not be as prominent as the free market agenda.

Maybe it’s just my feeling that the US liberals have been losing in the economic debate (which has given heart even to European conservatives) and European conservatives have mostly had to give up on their conservative values (which gives heart to US liberals that social conservatism will lose out to liberal values even there). In this way, the libertarian agenda is advanced by default, when the conservatives gain ground in economic issues and liberals in social issues. I’d expect Finnpundit (who is not a libertarian, and neither am I, nor am I a supporter of Finnpundit for that matter) to be even much more strongly of this opinion than I myself am. I’d probably disagree with him on the consequences but that’s a very possible trend.

Funnily enough, if the conservative gains in economic issues and liberal gains in social issues would be replaced by libertarian gains across the board, the results would be much more extreme. Since neither conservatives nor liberals (in Europe social democrats) believe in libertarianism, they are never bound to go overboard in their enthusiasm for more libertarian politics (they are rather adapting to a tendency toward more individualism, which has changed the essence of both conservative and liberal politics).

]]> By: winter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-69215 winter Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:10:23 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-69215 Ah that Private University again. Ah that Private University again.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-69197 Anonymous Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:23:05 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-69197 winter: <i>Pay??? I get paid???? Darn I just knew I was missing something.</i> You got paid for going to university? Darn, did you get free dental care as well? winter:
Pay??? I get paid???? Darn I just knew I was missing something.

You got paid for going to university? Darn, did you get free dental care as well?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-68830 Anonymous Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:19:32 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-68830 The guest poll didn't last long now, did it? Did the results proove uncomfortable for the host? ;) The guest poll didn’t last long now, did it?
Did the results proove uncomfortable for the host? ;)

]]> By: ben http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-68781 ben Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:54:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-68781 Everyone is racist. If you really think your not racist your having yourself on. Everyone is racist. If you really think your not racist your having yourself on.

]]> By: winter http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-68647 winter Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:50:24 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-68647 Pay??? I get paid???? Darn I just knew I was missing something. Pay??? I get paid???? Darn I just knew I was missing something.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-68617 Anonymous Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:25:14 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-68617 winter: <i>I went to a PRIVATE University. Did you get that ……PRIVATE.</i> You went to a university and spell like you do? I hope you didn't pay too much. winter:
I went to a PRIVATE University. Did you get that ……PRIVATE.

You went to a university and spell like you do? I hope you didn’t pay too much.

]]> By: mapleleaf http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-68612 mapleleaf Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:11:26 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/07/18/how-the-welfare-state-model-creates-racism/#comment-68612 Well, the guest poll wasn't up there for too long, but it appears that after about 70 votes the "more's" took a major drubbing ;) Well, the guest poll wasn’t up there for too long, but it appears that after about 70 votes the “more’s” took a major drubbing ;)

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