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		<title>By: AndrÃƒÂ©</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/05/22/my-first-day-ever-in-europe/comment-page-2/#comment-338519</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrÃƒÂ©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice blog. I&#039;m from Brazil.</description>
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		<title>By: Finnandproudofit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnandproudofit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

as a Finn I couldnÃ‚Â´t care less what other europeans are thinking about us Finns. Those gayish swedes, pervert french, arrogant british, joint sucking dutch, (and I donÃ‚Â´t have to tell you about germans, everybody knows their history) are not in the position to judge us.

instead thereÃ‚Â´s many similarities in finnish and native american cultures. Both have stuggled against much larger enemy. Original finnish religion also had spirits in the woods, water and air...and donÃ‚Â´t forget the sweatlodge ( sauna in finnish) 

so IÃ‚Â´d be a finnindian much rather than decadent european!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>as a Finn I couldnÃ‚Â´t care less what other europeans are thinking about us Finns. Those gayish swedes, pervert french, arrogant british, joint sucking dutch, (and I donÃ‚Â´t have to tell you about germans, everybody knows their history) are not in the position to judge us.</p>
<p>instead thereÃ‚Â´s many similarities in finnish and native american cultures. Both have stuggled against much larger enemy. Original finnish religion also had spirits in the woods, water and air&#8230;and donÃ‚Â´t forget the sweatlodge ( sauna in finnish) </p>
<p>so IÃ‚Â´d be a finnindian much rather than decadent european!</p>
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		<title>By: capiolet</title>
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		<dc:creator>capiolet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armenia has never been a european country!:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armenia has never been a european country!:D</p>
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		<title>By: Antti (the redneck one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antti (the redneck one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 16:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks hfb and Helsinkian. I think we have the things in perspective now. Hmmm, I think there was some description of the finnish-indian relations also in some book by Martti Larni. I don&#039;t remember the name, but my Russian colleague found it very funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks hfb and Helsinkian. I think we have the things in perspective now. Hmmm, I think there was some description of the finnish-indian relations also in some book by Martti Larni. I don&#8217;t remember the name, but my Russian colleague found it very funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/05/22/my-first-day-ever-in-europe/comment-page-2/#comment-61001</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 13:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Passer-by. Another note on that staunch Stalinist Gus Hall: he changed the last name from Halberg (the already Americanized version of the name that his parents used) to Hall but originally the family name was probably Hällberg. Gus is shortened from Gustav but he may originally have been called Kustaa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Passer-by. Another note on that staunch Stalinist Gus Hall: he changed the last name from Halberg (the already Americanized version of the name that his parents used) to Hall but originally the family name was probably Hällberg. Gus is shortened from Gustav but he may originally have been called Kustaa.</p>
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		<title>By: Passer-by</title>
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		<dc:creator>Passer-by</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 13:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helsinkian, you seriously should have your own blog. I&#039;d be your loyal reader :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helsinkian, you seriously should have your own blog. I&#8217;d be your loyal reader <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 13:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was one thing that I found really curious in the PWW article on Mesaba Park, Minn. Why would mojakka be beef stew in Finnish? Indeed, it isn&#039;t, mojakka is a Finnish American soup (lihamojakka = fi. lihakeitto, kalamojakka = fi. kalakeitto) and some Bothnians had apparently used such a word for soup at their time of emigration a century ago:

http://mojakka.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was one thing that I found really curious in the PWW article on Mesaba Park, Minn. Why would mojakka be beef stew in Finnish? Indeed, it isn&#8217;t, mojakka is a Finnish American soup (lihamojakka = fi. lihakeitto, kalamojakka = fi. kalakeitto) and some Bothnians had apparently used such a word for soup at their time of emigration a century ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://mojakka.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mojakka.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/05/22/my-first-day-ever-in-europe/comment-page-2/#comment-60978</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 12:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the wikipedia article on Gus Hall (Arvo Gustav Halberg 1910-2000, who served as Communist Party USA leader until his death):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the wikipedia article on Gus Hall (Arvo Gustav Halberg 1910-2000, who served as Communist Party USA leader until his death):</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hall" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hall</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 12:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the wrong link, this should be it:

http://hunts-upguide.com/keweenaw_peninsula.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the wrong link, this should be it:</p>
<p><a href="http://hunts-upguide.com/keweenaw_peninsula.html" rel="nofollow">http://hunts-upguide.com/keweenaw_peninsula.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 12:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PWW article from a few years ago was about Minnesota, this is about Keweenaw Peninsula in Northern Michigan, the place Antti was talking about (#49):

http://hunts-upguide.com/keweenaw_peninsula.htm

&quot;Many Finns have intermarried with Ojibwa members of the Keweenaw Bay Indian Community, creating new generations of so-called &#039;Finndians&#039; who may have blond hair or blue eyes. It&#039;s not such an improbable combination, considering how in these parts both groups share a closeness to the land and love of fishing, hunting and the woods. Baraga and L&#039;Anse schools may be unique in providing enrichment classes in both Ojibwa and Finnish.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PWW article from a few years ago was about Minnesota, this is about Keweenaw Peninsula in Northern Michigan, the place Antti was talking about (#49):</p>
<p><a href="http://hunts-upguide.com/keweenaw_peninsula.htm" rel="nofollow">http://hunts-upguide.com/keweenaw_peninsula.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Many Finns have intermarried with Ojibwa members of the Keweenaw Bay Indian Community, creating new generations of so-called &#8216;Finndians&#8217; who may have blond hair or blue eyes. It&#8217;s not such an improbable combination, considering how in these parts both groups share a closeness to the land and love of fishing, hunting and the woods. Baraga and L&#8217;Anse schools may be unique in providing enrichment classes in both Ojibwa and Finnish.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/05/22/my-first-day-ever-in-europe/comment-page-2/#comment-60968</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 11:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hfb: and of course there were these legendary &quot;No Finns or Indians allowed&quot; signs in some places in North America. That was the same treatment that the Roma have experienced in Finland. Maybe that helped to create some sense of solidarity between Finnish immigrants and Native Americans.

This article on the Mesaba Co-Op Park I found at random (there&#039;s some stuff also about Gus Hall, the legendary United States Communist Party leader and son of Finnish immigrants):

http://www.pww.org/past-weeks-2000/Visiting%20Mesaba%20Park.htm

&quot;Faced with ethnic and political discrimination symbolized by signs that read &#039;No Finns or Indians allowed&#039; Finnish immigrants collected money from workers&#039; and farmers&#039; organizations to buy some land.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hfb: and of course there were these legendary &#8220;No Finns or Indians allowed&#8221; signs in some places in North America. That was the same treatment that the Roma have experienced in Finland. Maybe that helped to create some sense of solidarity between Finnish immigrants and Native Americans.</p>
<p>This article on the Mesaba Co-Op Park I found at random (there&#8217;s some stuff also about Gus Hall, the legendary United States Communist Party leader and son of Finnish immigrants):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pww.org/past-weeks-2000/Visiting%20Mesaba%20Park.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pww.org/past-weeks-2000/Visiting%20Mesaba%20Park.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Faced with ethnic and political discrimination symbolized by signs that read &#8216;No Finns or Indians allowed&#8217; Finnish immigrants collected money from workers&#8217; and farmers&#8217; organizations to buy some land.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hfb</title>
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		<dc:creator>hfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 10:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antti and Hank - I got a reply from the linguist which you might find interesting. Urban legend, but some truth in it.

&quot;The Finns quite objectively speaking had some cultural traits in common with the Native population that others did not have. Furthermore, they were among first wave settlers. This meant that there was a high percentage of successful integration. On the other hand, Finns did not belong to  non-violent religious groups, like the Pennsylvania Germans.

So they were more likely to engage in violent conflict, and when the occasion warrented it, they did so. So the reality is that sometimes Finns, because they were Finns, got along better with Indians than others did, but this was far from being the whole picture. The urban legend is precisely that, an urban legend, but it has a grain of truth in it, unlike many urban legends.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antti and Hank &#8211; I got a reply from the linguist which you might find interesting. Urban legend, but some truth in it.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Finns quite objectively speaking had some cultural traits in common with the Native population that others did not have. Furthermore, they were among first wave settlers. This meant that there was a high percentage of successful integration. On the other hand, Finns did not belong to  non-violent religious groups, like the Pennsylvania Germans.</p>
<p>So they were more likely to engage in violent conflict, and when the occasion warrented it, they did so. So the reality is that sometimes Finns, because they were Finns, got along better with Indians than others did, but this was far from being the whole picture. The urban legend is precisely that, an urban legend, but it has a grain of truth in it, unlike many urban legends.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Antti (the redneck one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antti (the redneck one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 10:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, not finnish, but karelian speakers, of course. Then there is this &quot;border-karelian&quot; dialect, I guess, it is considered a finnish dialect, but it sounds very much, like the language in those poems and newspaper articles.

I read one story, written in that dialect about the evacuation of people of Suistamo during the WWII. Apparently the people of the receiving community didn&#039;t like the evacuees, as the writer commented &quot;A kui tänneh tulih ga moishet mulgokatshonnat sain ja viel päälle kysyö solkattih...&quot; (When I arrived here I got some dirty looks and the people were asking questions...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, not finnish, but karelian speakers, of course. Then there is this &#8220;border-karelian&#8221; dialect, I guess, it is considered a finnish dialect, but it sounds very much, like the language in those poems and newspaper articles.</p>
<p>I read one story, written in that dialect about the evacuation of people of Suistamo during the WWII. Apparently the people of the receiving community didn&#8217;t like the evacuees, as the writer commented &#8220;A kui tänneh tulih ga moishet mulgokatshonnat sain ja viel päälle kysyö solkattih&#8230;&#8221; (When I arrived here I got some dirty looks and the people were asking questions&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 07:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more Tver Karelian spam for you, it seems I actually found some of those poems by the Tver Karelian poet Stanislav V. Tarasov (in the original Karelian):

http://www.library.tver.ru/karel/tarasov-k.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more Tver Karelian spam for you, it seems I actually found some of those poems by the Tver Karelian poet Stanislav V. Tarasov (in the original Karelian):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.library.tver.ru/karel/tarasov-k.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.library.tver.ru/karel/tarasov-k.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 07:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually this Karelian looks quite different from Finnish although some words are clearly understandable (from an issue of a bilingual Tver Karelian-Russian newspaper six years ago):

http://www.library.tver.ru/karel/sana/ks041.htm

One of the sentences sounds like this:
&quot;Kaikilla, ket kuvneldih S.V. Tarasovan runoloida, hÃƒÂ¼ö miellÃƒÂ¼ttih.&quot;
(&quot;Everyone who listened to the poems of S.V. Tarasov, liked them&quot;; my guess of a translation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually this Karelian looks quite different from Finnish although some words are clearly understandable (from an issue of a bilingual Tver Karelian-Russian newspaper six years ago):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.library.tver.ru/karel/sana/ks041.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.library.tver.ru/karel/sana/ks041.htm</a></p>
<p>One of the sentences sounds like this:<br />
&#8220;Kaikilla, ket kuvneldih S.V. Tarasovan runoloida, hÃƒÂ¼ö miellÃƒÂ¼ttih.&#8221;<br />
(&#8220;Everyone who listened to the poems of S.V. Tarasov, liked them&#8221;; my guess of a translation.)</p>
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