Suomen Sisu on Radio Free Finland next week
Sunday May 7th I’ll be joined on Radio Free Finland by Teemu Lahtinen, head of Suomen Sisu, a nationalist organization in Finland. In February of this year, their organization was ordered to take down the infamous cartoons of Mohammed from their website. Three of their members are now under criminal investigation for violating the freedom of worship, the state prosecutor is expected to decide in May whether to prosecute the men.
Teemu will be on the show to discuss the possible court case, freedom of speech in Finland, and the Suomen Sisu organization. A photo, bio, and more details will come closer to the date of the interview.
Suomen Sisu is a modern nationalistic movement, which aims to strenghten healthy national and cultural self-esteem. We want to protect the Finnish environment and way of life, and to actively work against menaces like unlimited immigration.
We believe that every nation and culture has a right to exist and to govern themselves.
There is no conflict between nationalism and internationality. A steadfast identity is not only a major personal resource, but also the key to respecting and understanding other cultures and nations.
Suomen Sisu are a bunch of inbred redneck donkey lovers but they too got a right to free speech. Freedom from religion please.
Comment by Captain Haddock — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
“Freedom of worship” doesn’t sound right, although the meaning is in practice close to “uskonrauha”. The literal translation of “uskonrauha” would be something like peace of or regarding religion(s) and the crime in question, “uskonrauhan rikkominen”, violating the peace of religion. Anyway, what the fellows did have little to do with “freedom of worship” the way I understand the word, but “jumalanpilkka”, blasphemy, one particular instance of “uskonrauhan rikkominen”.
My guess is that the guys in question have nothing to worry about. They won’t even be charged let alone sentenced. But the authoroties show to the Muslims that these things are not taken ligthly in Finland. The good-will of the Muslims is an important, should I say vital, thing nowadays.
Comment by Anonymous — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Which is more important
“Freedom from discrimination” or
“freedom of speech”
These guys probably need an education. Take them to Treblika or another Holocaust site. They could then learn where there line of thinking tends to finish.
Freedom of speech doesn’t realy exist here anyway. I saw this only yesterday!
http://jmatthan.blogspot.com/
Comment by Finnish honesty — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 3:19 pm
Suomen Sisu -type of people are idiotic and hypocritical in the sense that they whine about the freedom of expression even though it’s very clear that if they ever got any real power the freedom of expression would be the first thing to go. In other words: they are the kind of people who certainly don’t (wouldn’t) practice what they preach when it comes to human rights and civic liberties.
Finnish honesty wrote:
“Freedom of speech doesn’t realy exist here anyway.”
And India on the other hand is an embodiment of democracy and human rights? Right.
I think that Finland is totally on a different level with democracy than some other countries, like India for example. Finnish society is light years ahead in it’s egalitarianism when compared to a caste structured society.
Funny thing came into my mind. We here in north have to try and help the street children in Calcutta to survive even though India is so rich as to have a nuclear weapon. Why is this so? One would think that the cultured and civilized indians could afford to take care of their own poor themselves and not need the help from such a “backwards” country as Finland.
Comment by Ã…boy — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
Wasn’t that student protest around that “stage” in the beginning of Rotuaari? I think they carried the protest out, but the city of Oulu was reducing the number of the banners and even taking a fee for the use of the place. I guess, they can do it, as they own the place, but this way, it adds more to “Paskakaupunki” (shit town) image, as stated by Kauko Röyhkä and the handwriting on the wall of Valkealinna. Let the kids have their protest.
Yep, I remember one documentary about an old french aircraft carrier they were trying to sell to the indians. I remember one, apparently well-off young indian lady commenting: Sure, they should buy the ship, the poor are taken care by the foreign countries.
I don’t know, whether Mr. Matthan is trying to do us a favour by pointing out the problems in our society, or what his mindset is. Or is there some deeper finnish-indian complex. At least Jawaharlal Nehru was cheering up Stalin, when the winter war started.
Comment by antti (the redneck one) — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 4:27 pm
Phil, I hope you’re interviewing them via Skype cause they’ll probably kick your ass when they find out your not Finnish
(Incase they don’t know already in which they’re probably just playing it cool until they arrive at your front door)
Comment by Anton — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
No wait, what am I saying. You’re white, I think they’ll leave you alone.
Comment by Anton — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
Hi everybody, why all this demonizing of Suomen Sisu here? I’m definitely no fan of them but can’t simply find them that extremely dangerous either. If they should be taken to Treblinka, with the same logic for example some anti-globalization leftists should be taken to Kolyma (the far too little known Soviet concentration camp where probably two millions died).
I’m truly ashamed of my country if the Suomen Sisu guys get punished for showing the cartoons. Truly. However, if I were one of those punished, I’d just be a happy martyr of the lack of freedom of speech and would be ready to receive a small fine and take it as an honour. Like, does anyone remember today anything Hannu Salama ever did except for the blasphemy court case?
MM
Comment by Moral minority? — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 6:02 pm
I’m all for free speech but I think that in their core organizations like “Suomen Sisu” are not. They’re just using the issue as a scapegoat to get publicity and to act as some form of martyrs. My point was that they are hypocritic.
Comment by Ã…boy — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 6:17 pm
A lot of judgement passed over something you don’t seem to know about. Most Suomen Sisu members I’ve ever talked to have seemed to be pretty reasonable, in no ways extreme. But nowadays anything critical of a) Islam, b)Multiculturalism, c)Current immigration trends is seen as racist, islamophobi, xenophobic, etc etc without even looking at the argument. So terribly stifling and narrow-minded.
Comment by Question — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 6:25 pm
I happen to be very critical of Islam as well as of other religions. I’m an atheist and do not condone acts of violence or prejudice in the name of some belief system. But I also see that these right wing extremists are just as bad in using people to further their own goals and fanning the fires of hatred.
Comment by Ã…boy — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
Neither would I like to have Suomen Sisu as the ruling party in Finland but heck, they’ll never become that anyway. On the other hand, neither would I give any more power to, for example, Alexander Stubb and other Euro freaks. It’s not a nationalist fringe organization that is really dangerous, it’s other, more powerful extremists.
MM
Comment by Moral minority? — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 6:58 pm
I’m all for free speech but I think that in their core organizations like “Suomen Sisu†are not.
The very same thing could be said about the Social Democratic Party. Deep down, they would like to regulate speech.
Comment by Finnpundit — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 7:14 pm
“Question” has hit on a truth.
When one asks critical questions about Islam, the sacred cow of multi culturalism and questionable immigration policies…the canard of bigotry is automatically thrown up as a way to stifle any meaningfull dialogue.
The Mohamed cartoon brouhaha proves once and for all, that there a religionists within our midsts (I’ll focus only the Islamist leaders, they’re the ones who set the tone for their community) who have a hegemonistic agenda.
Nothing wrong with foreigners and other religions, but only with those who believe that the rest of society must make way for their senibilities. Once that becomes the norm, there will be no end to their demands.
I hold the term ”Islamophobia” to be a credible concern, but only towards those Muslims who solidly reject the Muslim “modernist” point of view.
Comment by KGS59 — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 7:28 pm
Just because one doesn’t like organisations like Suomen Sisu doesn’t mean one is a defender of Islam or multiculturalism or whatever. Thats just a fucking weak argument.
Jeez, it’s like you can’t call nationalist donkey ****ers for what they are anymore without getting pegged as an islam lover? Jesus Tapdancing Christ.
Comment by Captain Haddock — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
Frnakly I pretty much dislike all religions and everything supernatural. Which by the way now that I mention it, nationalistic organizations like these tend to be very christian too, it’s like “our fairy sky pixie versus your fariy sky pixie”. Imbecillic.
Comment by Captain Haddock — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 8:19 pm
Hi everybody, why all this demonizing of Suomen Sisu here? I’m definitely no fan of them but can’t simply find them that extremely dangerous either. If they should be taken to Treblinka, with the same logic for example some anti-globalization leftists should be taken to Kolyma (the far too little known Soviet concentration camp where probably two millions died).
You know, they probably should. I don’t like commies either.
Comment by Captain Haddock — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 8:21 pm
Fox = Pravda + Izvestiya. Freedom of speech by The Party and the government.
Comment by jtp — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 8:58 pm
Like, does anyone remember today anything Hannu Salama ever did except for the blasphemy court case?
Yes. This may come as a surprise to you, MM, but there are still people who, like, read books.
Comment by Erik — Thu, Apr 27th, 2006 @ 11:19 pm
The main problem is that Suomen Sisu is just a tiny group of people looking for publicity and now thanks to Matti Vanhanen and the rest they have got just that. The mistake of giving these guys a Voice with a capital V was unfortunately made by our overreacting government. I mean come on, blasphemy in the year 2006 and apologizing for some Mickey Mouse group’s homepage? Yeah right.
I disagree with most of Suomen Sisu’s views but I still don’t think that they should be sent to Treblinka or any of those other things people have said in the previous comments. I’m just hoping that Phil doesn’t let them get away with preaching their views as they seem to be quite good at hiding their intolerant views in figures of speech in a way that can be very misleading.
Comment by Joonas — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 2:38 am
Nothing wrong with foreigners and other religions, but only with those who believe that the rest of society must make way for their senibilities.
Like socialists.
Comment by Phil — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 10:09 am
True Phil,
Socialists belong to the category of faith driven ideologies. As writer Paul Berman stated in his book Terror and Liberalism,”Radical Jihadists and radical Leftists are joined together through the nihilistic side of their utopian ideologies.”
Comment by KGS59 — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 11:25 am
Wow, that’s some deep shit KGS59.
Comment by m — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
Hopefully you understand it m.
Comment by KGS59 — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
Note to self: Don’t post comments when you are drunk.
Comment by Joonas — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
Suomen Sisu’s arguments seem sane to me.
By the way, should we Finns import the “white guilt”â„¢ with the useless blacks and muslims?
Comment by Hege — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
No Hedge send them to concentration camps instead and kill them all! You need some education!
Comment by Finnish honesty — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 11:24 pm
One would think that in the year 2006 in an information society, people have a right to news and knowledge. I see it that Suomen Sisu published the cartoons so people could see for themselves what all the international hoopla was about. I guess some of our finlandized politicians just aren’t used to freedom of information yet…
Comment by laalaaland — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 11:36 pm
There is more critics against KRP and Matti Vanhanen etc.
http://patrioottiradio.atspace.com
including asylyms
Comment by Isänmaallinen nettiradio — Fri, Apr 28th, 2006 @ 11:37 pm
Muslims = problems
More muslims = more problems
Muslims majority = shitland as all muslim countries
Comment by Tarja — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 6:01 am
Isänmaallinen nettiradio contains segments describing Somalians as reproducing “like rats in a dump”. I can think of no better example of *racists* trying to benifit from the current debate on immigration.
These type of bigots need to be pointed out early on, before they end up obfuscating the true issues. It would be good for Phil to ask Suomen Sisu if they ssupport the statements found on the Isänmaallinen Radio.
Comment by KGS59 — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 12:37 pm
Yes “Finnish honesty” you are right, I need education. I also smell bad, so I’m going to go wash my self and my dirty mouth with soap bars made of Jew fat.
Comment by Hege — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 1:38 pm
I hope that after the *very sick* series of statements by Hege and the racist content found on Isänmaalinen nettiradio, Suomen Sisu’s Teemu Lehtinen distances both himself and his group from them in no uncertain terms.
I plan to listen to the podcast this Sunday, its going to be interesting to hear Phil’s questions, and importantly *follow up* questions as well.
Comment by KGS59 — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
Oh please… Do you really believe the lies about “the Jew soap” and the human skin furniture?
Comment by Hege — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Hege probably doesn’t end his denial with soap and human skin furniture, all of which by the way, are well documented atrocities.
He is probably to *well read* in all the neo nazi/Islamist Holocaust denial websites to bother with credible source material. This is getting sicker than I dare thought.
Comment by KGS59 — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 4:27 pm
Hi!
As a member of a Suomen Sisu I’d like to say that Suomen Sisu is not a far right organisation, it is not a political party and it does not support nazi politics against jews or any other minorities.
Carry on!
Comment by Holiday in Cambodia — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 4:46 pm
I visited the “Suomen Sisu” site and it is indeed a far right organization, just more “sisä siisti” than nazi’s.
Kinda reminds me of when Ku Klux Klan had to rethink their strategy as their membership was dvindling, so they decided to become “less outspoken”, more gentle and comprpmise on some of their idelogies, but the same hatred and bigotry is still there. I’m not saying Suomen Sisu necessarily hates the same group of people that Ku Klux Klan, or that SS is necessarily a violent organization, but, they both put up a nice(r) front to appeal to a broader public. If you look below the surface you’ll see what they really stand for.
Have a go, take a look at their forum.
I must say that I’m a bit disapointed that Phil grants these clowns any sort of legitimacy or publicity by interviewing them, however limited it may be
Phil, I hope you atleast don’t let them off easy on tough questions.
Comment by Anton — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 5:02 pm
KGS59:
This is getting sicker than I dare thought.
See my earlier point?
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
I don’t deny the holocaust and I never did.
But come on people the soap bars are an obvious exaggeration. The nazis were so demonised and the holocaust story is has been told over and over again untill it became like a secular religion in the West. So now people believe ANYTHING about the holocaust no matter how absurd. Nothing in this world is black and white like that, so why should this be different? I now these atrocities have been “well documented”, but by who? The Soviets?
Comment by Hege — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 5:39 pm
“If you look below the surface you’ll see what they really stand for.”
Are You an american or a finn?
Anyway, You sound stupid. What do You think that Radio show trying to do? Maybe they call you and ask are they deep enough, because You already know just about everything.
I am out
Comment by Holiday in Cambodia — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 5:44 pm
Anyway, You sound stupid. What do You think that Radio show trying to do? Maybe they call you and ask are they deep enough, because You already know just about everything.
I think the Suomen Sisu guy will try to portray himself as some sort of “freedom of speech protector” and capitalize on this whole ruckus around the organization.
As Suomen Sisu is against multiculturalism, shouldn’t Phil be kicked out?
Comment by Suomen Peräkylän Runkkarit — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 6:20 pm
“As Suomen Sisu is against multiculturalism, shouldn’t Phil be kicked out?”
Maybe he will ask it on that Radio show? I do not know. I hardly can speak any english. I am glad you can. It opens great possibilities for you.
For the First of May that was. Now I’m definetyly out. Keep it with yuorselfs idiot.
Bye!
Comment by Holiday in Cambodia — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 7:20 pm
Oh my god.. The inbred far-right retards have taken over the thread. Beware, everyone. Soon we’ll be hearing how we’ve all been mislead by the “commie-hippe-jew” propaganda of the mass media.
Comment by Ã…boy — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
Be honest - Finns and many european nations are minority. We don`t survive, if we allow nigger and othen noneuropeans come to Europe
http://www.kavkaz.fi + http://patrioottiradio.atspace.com more info about right solutions;)
Comment by Isänmaallinen nettiradio = National webradio — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
I’m not going to click those links = creating traffic for your site = potentially funding your organization. Your cause sickens me.
If Finland was a Baseball themed bar deep in the core of the earth, and I was the owner of the bar. I’d be dressed as a baseball referee, and go “Yoooouuuurrrrrrrre outta here!” for every member of “Suomen Sisu” walking through the door.
(Yeah yeah, I’ll come up with my own material.. one day)
Comment by Suomen Peräkkylän Runkarit — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 8:41 pm
I detest how these dumbasses hijack the whole concept of “patriotism” to their perverted cause. There’s nothing patriotic about inciting racial and/or religious hatred. These days ordinary people can’t even say that they’re patriotic without everyone thinking that they’re a dimwitted third-reich enthusiast.
Comment by Ã…boy — Sat, Apr 29th, 2006 @ 9:12 pm
What is _REAL_ incitement of racial hatred?
Interracial crime.
Do you agree? If not, then why?
Just to remind you.
http://jussi.halla-aho.com/rikollisuudesta.html
I do not see feasible to play the hitler card in this context, Ã…boy. There are no excuses. You either behave or not. Finns can debate the issues of nationality and the concept of reverse neocolonialism in politically correct disguise - also known as multiculturism. Whether or not you like it, Ã…boy. Try to get used to it. It is called democracy and free speech.
People within Sisu and close to it do see clearly that there are distinct differences between different ethnic groups as there are differences between individuals. Some of Phil’s compatriots see it too. Some people here are still in denial of that.
Comment by Vierailija — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 10:11 am
HAHahahahahaham I knew it!
I noticed how Phil’s poll about Suomen Sisu suddenly did a 180 and all the sudden changed from “Suomen Sisu is a racist organization” to “Suomen Sisu is needed to preserve bla bla”
As the shrewd Internet investigator I am, I’ve seen this phenomena before. 99% of the time when a poll makes a sudden change in attitude, someone somewhere is linking to that poll, usually from an Internet forum encouraging like minded people to vote accordingly. Now who would want to tamper with the results of this poll? Suomen Sisu maybe? No, it couldn’t be? Could it?
http://www.network54.com/Forum/171225/message/1146341245/K%E4yk%E4%E4+%E4%E4nest%E4m%E4ss%E4+linkin+sivulla
These fudge packing clowns are awesome! They want to falsely give out the impression that the average visitor of this site thinks Suomen Sisu is needed. Oh man oh man.
Go tamper with HS.fi polls instead or something, I don’t think FFT get’s enough traffic for it make any real difference anyway.
Oh well, glada vappen to everyone anyway! This was a great start for the celebration for sure.
Comment by Suomen Peräkylän Runkkarit — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 11:14 am
Calling someone names like fudge packing clown just doesn’t win debates outside of kindergarten. Stop frothing at the mouth and learn to debate like a civilized adult please.
Comment by laalaaland — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 11:24 am
It’s amazing how full of hate, prejudice and slander some of you so called “anti-racists” really are.
Comment by Hege — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 11:53 am
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Certain anti-Sisu comments here should be seen in context. They seem to be related not only to Sisu’s standing on immigration and ethnics, but also or mainly to domestic politics, more precisely language polititics. The dreaded /pakkoruotsi/. As far as I know, there are only two Finnish NGOs, that have dared to officially require change in language politics, Sisu and the other most prominent being the Suomalaisuuden Liitto. Both of these organisations have been for this reason under smearing attacks in a number of web forums - and in case of the SL, recently also in the Finland’s largest journal, Helsingin Sanomat. I have to note that also I have described the objectives and methods within our largest language minority in Sisu’s forum, and such exposures seem to irritate them. There is more than superficial look here shows.
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Comment by Vierailija — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
“I have to note that also I have described the objectives and methods within our largest language minority in Sisu’s forum, and such exposures seem to irritate them. There is more than superficial look here shows.”
Once more, then:
Sisu is a nationalist organisation. As I understand Sisu supports swedish speaking minority to “preserve” their own culture. Sisu is against bilangual education and such kind of things, but it’s views are not exactly same Suomalaisuuden liitto has.
Personally I’d like to see we could arrange these problems with respect. It is absolutely clear people have rights as people, not only as individuals.
Bad english, hope somebody understand
Comment by Holiday in Cambodia — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 12:40 pm
I guess Sisu is an organisation advocating for the Finnish Finland. Not far-right, far-middle or far-left. Could not more accept their goal. In Finland multiculturalist engourage aliens entered Finland to preserve their cultures, so we should allow the same for the Finns, too.
About muslims. They suffer a mental disorder called islam.
Comment by bdd — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
Calling someone names like fudge packing clown just doesn’t win debates outside of kindergarten. Stop frothing at the mouth and learn to debate like a civilized adult please.
Well, for a serious debate to take place there would have to be a mutual respect between the debaters. I’d have to care about your opinion and vice versa. This isn’t the case, you guys can believe in Santa for all I care. I have no interest in trying to convert you guys away from bigotry and hatred, as I know you won’t.
There is no common ground to be reached, I consider you guys morons and low life scum.
So I’ll call you guys fudge packing clowns and you guys call me an idiot.
Comment by Suomen Peräkylän Runkkarit — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 2:39 pm
Well, for a serious debate to take place there would have to be a mutual respect between the debaters.
And most importantly, the other party should also be a civilised adult instead of a retarded neo-nazi neanderthal.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 3:02 pm
To Suomen Peräkylän Runkkarit and Freeridin’ Franklin,
Even if I don’t respect my opponent, I have no need to go into namecalling, because I can argue my position with facts. It is a well known, at least among all serious minded people, that when the facts end, the namecalling and strawman building starts. You can keep making a spectacle of yourselves, but don’t think you convince people who can think for themselves and who can not be bullied into a certain way of thinking.
Comment by laalaaland — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 3:22 pm
“There is no common ground to be reached, I consider you guys morons and low life scum.”
Ok. I do not care about that, but if you continue to rave about Suomen Sisu somebody might think you care. If You think I am a low life scum have you any plans to handle a situation? I can twist your nose if I like, anytime and anyplace. No problem for me. So it is up to you make deals with the low life scum.
Maybe it would be better if we all wait for the Radio Show. As a nationalist and a member of Suomen Sisu I do not like libertarians
Comment by Holiday in Cambodia — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
Ã…boy, there’s nothing patriotic about Suomen Sisu. They are jingoists.
Comment by Captain Haddock — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 4:31 pm
Even if I don’t respect my opponent, I have no need to go into namecalling, because I can argue my position with facts.
I do both, it’s so much more approriate than feigned courtesy. It’s better to call an asshole when he debates like crap than pretend to be nice to him.
It is a well known, at least among all serious minded people, that when the facts end, the namecalling and strawman building starts.
Just like it’s a well known fact that if a woman looks at a man she can get pregnant. Strawman building and the ilk tends to fester under feigned polite conversation when the other party is just too damned nice to point out that the other asshole is just that. And usually when the other person gets his fallacies pointed out to thim he goes “you’re mean, I win!”
You can keep making a spectacle of yourselves, but don’t think you convince people who can think for themselves and who can not be bullied into a certain way of thinking.
I guess thats aimed at yourself.
Comment by Captain Haddock — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 4:36 pm
.
As I wrote above, there seems to be (semi)conscious, yet undisclosed reasons for those bizarre comments in this thread towards Sisu.
Perhaps ‘Kapten Haddock’ could enlighten us and tell what kind of vessel does he command in the Österbotten region? A rowing boat, in the best Munsala tradition?
Those not yet initiated in the matter can get a briefing from following.
http://eb.cx/1yj
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Comment by Vierailija — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 7:12 pm
As I wrote above, there seems to be (semi)conscious, yet undisclosed reaons for those bizarre comments in this thread towards Sisu.
Believe me, there is nothing unconscious about my hatred of nazi scum. I am quite open about it. FWIW, converting nazis to soap would contribute to the cleanliness of the nation doubly.
Perhaps ‘Kapten Haddock’ could enlighten us and tell what kind of vessel does he command in the Österbotten region? A rowing boat, in the best Munsala tradition?
So, I presume that the Swedish-speaking minority would be the next group to be gassed after the darkies. I wonder who’d be next.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
“I do both, it’s so much more approriate than feigned courtesy. It’s better to call an asshole when he debates like crap than pretend to be nice to him.”
You can use any tactic you want, but namecalling just tells us more about you than it does about your opponent.
“And usually when the other person gets his fallacies pointed out to thim he goes “you’re mean, I win!—
Calling someone a fudge packer doesn’t equate pointing out his fallacies, it realy doesn’t! This is a concept that is elementary to western civilization, but whatever…
…but we can go at this meta-discussion forever. However, do you think pepole should be prosecuted for publishing cartoons?
Comment by laalaaland — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 10:12 pm
I hate Illinois nazis.
Btw. During WWII Finnish SS-batallion tried “to liberate Chechens from the rule of Jewish bolcheviks”. It failed, but you can see why local nazis still use Caucasus for anti-Russian cause.
Comment by jtp — Sun, Apr 30th, 2006 @ 10:36 pm
You can use any tactic you want, but namecalling just tells us more about you than it does about your opponent.
Yes, that I’m easily pissed off when being faced with something I don’t like, like bad debating, stupid shit in general, illogical nonsense and whatnot. But it doesn’t stop me from providing a coherent point.
Calling someone a fudge packer doesn’t equate pointing out his fallacies, it realy doesn’t! This is a concept that is elementary to western civilization, but whatever…
You really really cannot get your head around this, can you? You can dissect someones fallacious argument while still insulting him, one does not preclude the other. It’s quite different to just posting profanities without arguments. I sure find a bit of insulting prefferable to feigned courtesy when the opponent is doing stuff that pisses me off, like any of those things I just mentioned.
…but we can go at this meta-discussion forever. However, do you think pepole should be prosecuted for publishing cartoons?
No, read my very first comment.
Comment by Captain Haddock — Mon, May 1st, 2006 @ 2:09 am
Why do you people want to increase crime and poverty in finland? Blacks and muslims have ALLWAYS brought crime and poverty to EACH AND EVERY white country
they were allowed to immigrate.
There are NO executions and Finland CANNOT and WILL NOT do a better job at it.
Why is it really so racist to say no to these people who simply won’t behave? Who have no respect for our laws or values? Why do WE need to chance for THEM???
The more of these people we let in our country, the more we will have Racism. And there is not a damn thing anybody can do about it!
I am not a “nazi” and certainly not “scum”. I am pro-white, pro-Finland and pro-Western rationalism. People who attack views with childish and
hostile slander are in my book anti-Finnish, anti-white and simply agains people who dare to think for themselves. Meny of them might be more intellegent then me, but how ever, they have willingly let ideology
blind themselves. They cannot not see the world for what it really is or they simply refuse to do so.
I mostly see the problems of these socalled “multicultural” societies. The media tries to come with the positive side of things, but I
think that the prize is still too high. Finland is a mostly homogenous society and it works for us.
So here is a long story short:
You can keep your “Cult of Diversity” and shove it.
Comment by Hege — Mon, May 1st, 2006 @ 12:46 pm
I am not a “nazi†and certainly not “scumâ€Â. I am pro-white, pro-Finland and pro-Western rationalism.
Here’s a newsflash for ya: Nazi race theories and the Nordischer Gedanke do not represent Western rationalism.
You can keep your “Cult of Diversity†and shove it.
Thanks. Now you can go back to banging your sister or whatever it is you do to preserve your Aryan bloodline.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Mon, May 1st, 2006 @ 4:20 pm
And I suppose it’s rational to completely ingnore the fact that they for some reason bring crime abd poverty with them?
Comment by Hege — Mon, May 1st, 2006 @ 4:40 pm
And I suppose it’s rational to completely ingnore the fact that they for some reason bring crime abd poverty with them?
Yes, this is a problem with immigration, as is witnessed by the high representation of Finnish immigrants in Swedish crime statistics. Nazi race theories don’t apply, I’m afraid - unless you want to stick to the pre-1941 theories of Finns as “mongolisch untermenschen”. This is why I don’t support unrestricted immigration, by the way.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Mon, May 1st, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
Freeridin’ Franklin has won every argument with these neo-national socialists, hands down. The more they try to counter FF’s logic, the funnier they sound.
These neo-nazis clearly aren’t the sharpest knives in the kitchen drawer.
Comment by KGS59 — Mon, May 1st, 2006 @ 8:28 pm
Maybe your right.
Although it’s still a funny coincidence that the poorest nations of the world are black. Not just in Africa but Haiti too.
Funny how the poorest and the most dangerous cities in America are mostly populated by the blacks.
Funny how the black countries score lower IQ’s then everbody else. And maybe I’m wrong but I seem to remember that the blacks score lower
then anybody else in America too (where they get or should get enough nutrition and equal education?).
Funny how people cry that blacks score lower IQ’s because of a “cultural” difference, yet NOBODY has been able to develop a test that gives
blacks and whites equal scores.
The Finnish immigrants in Sweden (like they allways have) will integrate, assimilate and “calm down” eventually. Slavery ended in America
a long time ago…
Actually I would like to think like YOU do. How ever I simply cannot believe it all anymore…
PS: People STILL confuse LANGUAGE and RACE. Finno-ugric languages are a cultural thing, like Indo-european languages.
Comment by Hege — Mon, May 1st, 2006 @ 9:18 pm
Although it’s still a funny coincidence that the poorest nations of the world are black. Not just in Africa but Haiti too.
It’s hardly a coincidence, but rather the result of centuries of oppression and exploitation.
Funny how the black countries score lower IQ’s then everbody else.
And funny how Finnish IQ has developed over the last 60 years. Pretty awesome genetic engineering.
The Finnish immigrants in Sweden (like they allways have) will integrate, assimilate and “calm down†eventually.
I presume this means, among other things, abadoning the Finnish language, lest they be guilty of that gosh darn awful multiculturalism.
And maybe I’m wrong but I seem to remember that the blacks score lower
then anybody else in America too (where they get or should get enough nutrition and equal education?).
“Equal education”? You’re a kidder.
Funny how people cry that blacks score lower IQ’s because of a “cultural†difference, yet NOBODY has been able to develop a test that gives
blacks and whites equal scores.
This research is mostly done by a small number of well-known nazis. Vanhanen was a real player - the IQ score of some countries were based on ONE test. I’d like to see some properly controlled studies.
BTW, it is also a well-known fact that there is great regional variation in the military P-test scores in Finland, which is a primitive kind of an IQ test. My question is that do hick IQs rise substantially when they move to Helsinki? If so, would you explain this with genetic modification due to the background radiation in the area?
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Tue, May 2nd, 2006 @ 12:31 am
Your speading white guilt without even thinking twice.
“Oppression” sounds like an excuse to me. Come on, even we Finns have been oppressed and exploited for far longer then them.
Funny how whites and asians don’t seem to be as vulnerable to this “post oppression and exploitation disorder” syndrome as the blacks are. How about the Jews?
They were hated, persecuted and oppressed for 2000 years, yet they allways managed thrive, were ever they went.
Of course education raises the average IQ, but as the twin studies show, it’s the peoples genes that have a much more significant impact
on how the person “turns out”.
Blacks STILL score lower then anybody else in white countries. No matter how “primitive” the tests are, this still tells that there is difference.
Here is an question for you: Are American public schools “ruining” the blacks or are the blacks ruining the public schools? The latest jewel
was about hiding the white kids test scores, so the schools could avoid punishment because of “No Child Left Behind” laws. Why do you
really think the US is falling behind in education?
The reason you will not see “properly controlled studies” about these issues is because only a few dare be heretics. You will be AUTOMATICALLY labed
as a “nazi” (you certainly proved this). Once you are a “nazi” nobody takes you seriously, you receive dead threats and your ridiculed
in the press. It doesn’t even matter whether your views are actually radial or not.
So anyway, whats your point about Vanhanen? True, his studies more or less are inaccurate but they still paint a clear picture.
Comment by Hege — Tue, May 2nd, 2006 @ 6:35 pm
Hege wrote:
“So anyway, whats your point about Vanhanen? True, his studies more or less are inaccurate but they still paint a clear picture.”
I can’t believe this guy. First he tries to argue that there are race-based IQ differences, then on the next sentence (quoted above) he totally reels back everything he just previously said. Then he still has the nerve to say that Vanhanen “paints a clear picture”. Oh he does alright, just not very accurate one.
Here, let me paint a clear picture for you: The moon is made out of green cheese. True, the statement is more or less inaccurate, but hey at least I paint a clear picture.
Comment by Ã…boy — Tue, May 2nd, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough.
The point is that his study is consistent with previous studies.
So what if Vanhanen based SOME of the countries scores on one test?
ALL black countries still scored significantly lower then whites and asians.
Are you trying say that Vanhanen dug up and used the lowest scores he could possibly find for the
blacks? Because he’s an “evil nazi” and he “hates niggers with passion”?
Blacks are the worst-performing ethnic group on SAT’s.
But we all know the SAT’s are rasict too right?
Comment by Hege — Wed, May 3rd, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
To tell you the truth, Finns burst into laughter, when they here the word Nazi. Our nationalism is a fight for freedom and against oppression of Russia and the Soviet Union. It’s about the existence of a small nation, the right to exist. It has been hard many times. We even have a more positive word for nationalist in Finnish: ‘kansallismielinen’, nationally minded. Our nationalists get angry only, when we are violently attacked. But then, everybody has the right to oppose rapists and murderers.
Comment by Juha — Wed, May 3rd, 2006 @ 4:40 pm
I can’t believe this guy. First he tries to argue that there are race-based IQ differences, then on the next sentence (quoted above) he totally reels back everything he just previously said.
That’s the kind of “western rationalism” they teach at whereever this guy draws his ideology from.
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Wed, May 3rd, 2006 @ 10:03 pm
Are you trying say that Vanhanen dug up and used the lowest scores he could possibly find for the blacks?
Because he’s an “evil nazi†and he “hates niggers with passion�
Too strong words. I’d rather say he’s a stupid fuck who doesn’t hesitate to use junk science to support his racist agenda.
Even those scientific racists who could be taken half-seriously seem to be plagued by a dogmatic faith in genetic determinism. Environmental factors just can’t affect intelligence.
But we all know the SAT’s are rasict too right?
They are quite difficult to take seriously, and it would be quite ludicrous to claim that the verbal parts aren’t culturally biased, especially against those whose first language isn’t English. By the way, I recall reading that Scandinavian exchange students score insanely higher in SAT tests than the merkins. Good WHITE European genes just got degenerated on the trip across the pond, huh? Or would the school system have something to do with it?
These SAT tests are a joke. What’s wrong with a good old entrance examination that is actually pertinent to the subject the student is going to study?
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Thu, May 4th, 2006 @ 8:03 pm
Our nationalism is a fight for freedom and against oppression of Russia and the Soviet Union. It’s about the existence of a small nation, the right to exist. It has been hard many times.
My feelings exactly. Though I must say that find it hard to factor in the immense threat on our national survival from, what, 500 black people in the country. Wait, there might even be 5000 of them. Good grief! Emigrate to the North Pole immediately.
But then, everybody has the right to oppose rapists and murderers.
Which all black people and Muslims are known to be. Let’s see:
Number of times I’ve been physically assaulted by a “nationalist” with extremely short hair for no reason: 1
Number of times I’ve been physically assaulted by a member of an ethnic minority (including those goddamn gypsies): 0
Number of times I’ve been physically assaulted by a member of the Aryan Master Race in general: NaN, overflow, does not compute
Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Thu, May 4th, 2006 @ 8:14 pm
People who hates whites should killed by torture.
Comment by finnishbarbarian — Fri, May 12th, 2006 @ 1:23 am
I’m french my country is invaded by 10 millions of arabics and africans , the true numbers of theses foreigners is hidden by the governement like it is in Finland , you have thousans of them coming every years than means a changement of population in the 50 years to come , I m sick of the african lovers , xenomasochists who hate to be european , lenino-staline lovers who enjoys than communist have killed 100 millions of people all over the world , shame of you f*cking socialist childs killers !
Suomen Susi is right , Europe is in danger .
Comment by ralfsolo — Tue, Jul 18th, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
Does anyone know what these guys are saying in Finish?
http://forum.stirpes.net/finno-ugric/9923-suomen-sisu.html
They talk about Suomen Sisu.
Comment by Runner — Mon, Jan 15th, 2007 @ 9:54 pm