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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/03/15/tuomioja-turns-a-quick-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-301239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Finnpundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You should decide whether his protest affected the price or not, you canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have it both ways.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you&#039;ve missed the point.  Tuomioja&#039;s &quot;protest&quot; could have affected the price in any which way, and the hoopla from it might not necessarily have the effect he wanted it to have.  

The lesson here is that public, elected officials have to refrain from making comments on individual stocks.  It is a political minefield, and an ethical dilemma, if you want a level playing field in the marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You should decide whether his protest affected the price or not, you canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have it both ways.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you&#8217;ve missed the point.  Tuomioja&#8217;s &#8220;protest&#8221; could have affected the price in any which way, and the hoopla from it might not necessarily have the effect he wanted it to have.  </p>
<p>The lesson here is that public, elected officials have to refrain from making comments on individual stocks.  It is a political minefield, and an ethical dilemma, if you want a level playing field in the marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Drakon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drakon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erkki Tuomioja sold his stocks by the price of JANUARY....So way  before the price went up by the lay offs..  SO HE DID NOT BENEFIT FROM THE LAY OFFS.... Follow the news people

HELSINGIN SANOMAT &quot;Tuomioja itse omistaa runsaat 6 500 UPM:n osaketta. Hän on ilmoittanut myyvänsä ne tammikuun alun pörssikurssilla.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erkki Tuomioja sold his stocks by the price of JANUARY&#8230;.So way  before the price went up by the lay offs..  SO HE DID NOT BENEFIT FROM THE LAY OFFS&#8230;. Follow the news people</p>
<p>HELSINGIN SANOMAT &#8220;Tuomioja itse omistaa runsaat 6 500 UPM:n osaketta. Hän on ilmoittanut myyvänsä ne tammikuun alun pörssikurssilla.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JukkaV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JukkaV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the spirit TomiA. You hit the nail on the head. Finnpundit seems to be all over the shop with this one. Did Tuomioja with his mega-massive-super-dooper-huge holding of UPM-Kymmene, manipulate the stock price or not? 

Someody give TomiA a cigar! If I wasn&#039;t on ther otherside of the continent TomiA, I&#039;d buy you a drink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the spirit TomiA. You hit the nail on the head. Finnpundit seems to be all over the shop with this one. Did Tuomioja with his mega-massive-super-dooper-huge holding of UPM-Kymmene, manipulate the stock price or not? </p>
<p>Someody give TomiA a cigar! If I wasn&#8217;t on ther otherside of the continent TomiA, I&#8217;d buy you a drink.</p>
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		<title>By: TomiA</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomiA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;TuomiojaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Ã¢â‚¬Å“protestÃ¢â‚¬Â most likely validated the fact that UPM did the right move, and caused more people to buy the stock. The stock price certainly did not suffer from the ham-fisted Ã¢â‚¬Å“protestÃ¢â‚¬Â&lt;/i&gt;

You should decide whether his protest affected the price or not, you can&#039;t have it both ways. As a matter of fact, you should take some basic economics lessons before you pretend to know about the economical issues in general ... like the hilarious idea that the US trade deficit would mean that massive amounts of wealth are transferred from the American consumer-comrade to the rest of the world, when it in fact means the opposite.

No no need to thank for the advice ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>TuomiojaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Ã¢â‚¬Å“protestÃ¢â‚¬Â most likely validated the fact that UPM did the right move, and caused more people to buy the stock. The stock price certainly did not suffer from the ham-fisted Ã¢â‚¬Å“protestÃ¢â‚¬Â</i></p>
<p>You should decide whether his protest affected the price or not, you can&#8217;t have it both ways. As a matter of fact, you should take some basic economics lessons before you pretend to know about the economical issues in general &#8230; like the hilarious idea that the US trade deficit would mean that massive amounts of wealth are transferred from the American consumer-comrade to the rest of the world, when it in fact means the opposite.</p>
<p>No no need to thank for the advice <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Finnpundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tuomioja&#039;s &quot;protest&quot; most likely validated the fact that UPM did the right move, and caused more people to buy the stock.  The stock price certainly did not suffer from the ham-fisted &quot;protest&quot;, and probably convinced more boards of directors in more corporations that the political ramifications of layoffs are going to be negligible, if not profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuomioja&#8217;s &#8220;protest&#8221; most likely validated the fact that UPM did the right move, and caused more people to buy the stock.  The stock price certainly did not suffer from the ham-fisted &#8220;protest&#8221;, and probably convinced more boards of directors in more corporations that the political ramifications of layoffs are going to be negligible, if not profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: TomiA</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomiA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if all these blogs, newspapers, TV and radio shows hadnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t heavy criticized ErkkiÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s profitsÃ¢â‚¬Â¦would he have returned the profits like this? My guess is no - because on day one he would have said, Ã¢â‚¬Å“IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m protesting the layoffs by selling my stocks BACK TO THE UNION WITHOUT TAKING A PROFITÃ¢â‚¬Â&lt;/i&gt;

Huh, where did these &quot;selling back&quot; and &quot;returning profits&quot; come from. Phil you gotta increase your medication - sauna alone doesn&#039;t help - or learn Finnish. 

Anyway, even if Tuomioja had planned all this it could not have gone much better. The main point Tuomioja had in mind - which of course wasn&#039;t profits but a protest - got a lot of covarage, and all kind of hateful right-wingers had to eat humble pie, exposing how naive and malevolent ideas their narrow-minded world view produces. I give Tuomioja 10 points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wonder if all these blogs, newspapers, TV and radio shows hadnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t heavy criticized ErkkiÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s profitsÃ¢â‚¬Â¦would he have returned the profits like this? My guess is no &#8211; because on day one he would have said, Ã¢â‚¬Å“IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m protesting the layoffs by selling my stocks BACK TO THE UNION WITHOUT TAKING A PROFITÃ¢â‚¬Â</i></p>
<p>Huh, where did these &#8220;selling back&#8221; and &#8220;returning profits&#8221; come from. Phil you gotta increase your medication &#8211; sauna alone doesn&#8217;t help &#8211; or learn Finnish. </p>
<p>Anyway, even if Tuomioja had planned all this it could not have gone much better. The main point Tuomioja had in mind &#8211; which of course wasn&#8217;t profits but a protest &#8211; got a lot of covarage, and all kind of hateful right-wingers had to eat humble pie, exposing how naive and malevolent ideas their narrow-minded world view produces. I give Tuomioja 10 points.</p>
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		<title>By: Blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where did my immature post go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where did my immature post go?</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Phil @ 58.

My guess is yes. Or maybe. 

It&#039;s like some religious fundamentalists find Satan in Lordi&#039;s music and when explained there&#039;s no reference to Satan, they say &quot;Satan hides himself to grab more souls...&quot;

Fundamentalist, gotta love &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Phil @ 58.</p>
<p>My guess is yes. Or maybe. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like some religious fundamentalists find Satan in Lordi&#8217;s music and when explained there&#8217;s no reference to Satan, they say &#8220;Satan hides himself to grab more souls&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Fundamentalist, gotta love &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing seems to satisfy phil and like minded sheeps.

Because everybody knows like phil that socialist are evil baby-eaters who are planing total world domination on the expence of the working-american consumer</description>
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<p>Because everybody knows like phil that socialist are evil baby-eaters who are planing total world domination on the expence of the working-american consumer</p>
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		<title>By: Finnpundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, the first time he announced his &quot;protest&quot; on his website, there was no mention of what he was going to do with the profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the first time he announced his &#8220;protest&#8221; on his website, there was no mention of what he was going to do with the profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if all these blogs, newspapers, TV and radio shows hadn&#039;t heavy criticized Erkki&#039;s profits...would he have returned the profits like this?  My guess is no - because on day one he would have said, &quot;I&#039;m protesting the layoffs by selling my stocks BACK TO THE UNION WITHOUT TAKING A PROFIT&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if all these blogs, newspapers, TV and radio shows hadn&#8217;t heavy criticized Erkki&#8217;s profits&#8230;would he have returned the profits like this?  My guess is no &#8211; because on day one he would have said, &#8220;I&#8217;m protesting the layoffs by selling my stocks BACK TO THE UNION WITHOUT TAKING A PROFIT&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Finnpundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mr. TuomiojaÃ‚Â´s personal parliament assistant mention to my friend that Mr. Tuomioja will sell those stock`s to labour union. The price what hi will sell those stockÃ‚Â´s is a january`s middle price.&lt;/i&gt;

Well it looks like Finland For Thought gets results!  

Thank you, Phil, for a great blogsite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mr. TuomiojaÃ‚Â´s personal parliament assistant mention to my friend that Mr. Tuomioja will sell those stock`s to labour union. The price what hi will sell those stockÃ‚Â´s is a january`s middle price.</i></p>
<p>Well it looks like Finland For Thought gets results!  </p>
<p>Thank you, Phil, for a great blogsite.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how long you worked in the UK, and what you were doing, but personally I don&#039;t think there is so much difference between the UK and Finland.  You mention getting &quot;sacked 8 times a year&quot;, but at least that suggests you can find another job - unlike many of my Finnish university educated friends who can&#039;t find jobs at all or go from one temporary contract to another (none of my British uni friends are unemployed).  Payroll taxes feel big here (Fin) but you don&#039;t have to pay community charge after your pay-roll taxes as you do in the UK.  Finland gets more public holidays than the UK, but if they fall on the weekend (as many seem to have this last year) they aren&#039;t moved to next monday as they are in the UK).  Prices for many consumer goods are lower in the UK and choice is much better (particularly on food), but there isn&#039;t state subsidisation on things like childcare to the extent that there is here.  You don&#039;t pay to see a doctor or spend time in hospital in the UK like you do here, but other parts of the Finnish health care system work better.  Public transport is much better in Finland, but cars are expensive to buy so it sort of has to be. 

Etc etc.  Swings and roundabouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how long you worked in the UK, and what you were doing, but personally I don&#8217;t think there is so much difference between the UK and Finland.  You mention getting &#8220;sacked 8 times a year&#8221;, but at least that suggests you can find another job &#8211; unlike many of my Finnish university educated friends who can&#8217;t find jobs at all or go from one temporary contract to another (none of my British uni friends are unemployed).  Payroll taxes feel big here (Fin) but you don&#8217;t have to pay community charge after your pay-roll taxes as you do in the UK.  Finland gets more public holidays than the UK, but if they fall on the weekend (as many seem to have this last year) they aren&#8217;t moved to next monday as they are in the UK).  Prices for many consumer goods are lower in the UK and choice is much better (particularly on food), but there isn&#8217;t state subsidisation on things like childcare to the extent that there is here.  You don&#8217;t pay to see a doctor or spend time in hospital in the UK like you do here, but other parts of the Finnish health care system work better.  Public transport is much better in Finland, but cars are expensive to buy so it sort of has to be. </p>
<p>Etc etc.  Swings and roundabouts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea of the UK being richer (and therefore better) is just weird for me. Possibly what was meant was that the rich people here are more rich than rich people in Finland?

Anyway, I don&#039;t really desire to be rich. It&#039;s not that important, especially if it means I need to work 9-10 hours a day with no holidays and no extra for overtime. I merely need to get by without being poor, and that I can do without giving myself a heart attack by the age of 40 or having to stress about getting the sack 8 times a year. And no, I don&#039;t consider paying taxes as being robbed by the government. And yes, I think most people do get more than enough back. That is just a stupid argument made up for those who haven&#039;t traveled that much and don&#039;t really understand how income transfers work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of the UK being richer (and therefore better) is just weird for me. Possibly what was meant was that the rich people here are more rich than rich people in Finland?</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t really desire to be rich. It&#8217;s not that important, especially if it means I need to work 9-10 hours a day with no holidays and no extra for overtime. I merely need to get by without being poor, and that I can do without giving myself a heart attack by the age of 40 or having to stress about getting the sack 8 times a year. And no, I don&#8217;t consider paying taxes as being robbed by the government. And yes, I think most people do get more than enough back. That is just a stupid argument made up for those who haven&#8217;t traveled that much and don&#8217;t really understand how income transfers work.</p>
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