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27.2.2006

Finnish women earn 20 percent less than their male colleagues

Tags: Uncategorized — Author: Phil @ 11:40 am

The gap between Finnish men’s and women’s salaries is larger than the EU average

An EU report shows that Finnish women earn 20 percent less than their male colleagues. According to the report based on data from 2004, women earn on average 15 percent less than men in EU member states.

Estonia, Slovakia and Cyprus showed the most extreme differences in salaries. Meanwhile, the pay gap in Italy, Portugal and Malta was smaller.

Interesting how the southern countries, which are traditionally more often to be associated with gender inequality, has better pay equality than Finland. Why is this? Do women in the souther countries have less pregnancy benefits so they’re not missing years of work at one time? Or are these women bolder and more likely to storm into the boss’s office demanding a raise? Or maybe there aren’t as many men making very high incomes? Or…?

45 Comments »

  1. Actually Finnish women don’t earn significantly less than their male colleagues, but they do earn less than men in general. The problem is that women tend to choose low-paying jobs, and SAK doesn’t give a shit about them. Seriously, SAK is supposed to protect the poor “duunari”, but the only people who are getting pay raises (often after a strike) are those who have manly jobs (paper workers, plumbers, etc.). At the same time cleaners and nurses are starving and being ignored.

    Teachers are also mostly women, and thanks to the dirt cheap education, horribly underpaid. There’s actually a shortage of qualified teachers in many parts of Finland because of the low pay.

    Comment by nirva — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 12:13 pm

  2. Acutally, the interesting part of that study is the section about “Healthy Life Years at Birth; the number of years a person is expected to live in absence of limitations….” where Finnish women scored the lowest and men next to last after Hungary. I remember reading something in the HS a week or so ago how something like 50 or 60% of Finns have some sort of debilitating disease. Pretty amazing statistics if true.

    Comment by hfb — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 12:24 pm

  3. The easy explanation why the pay gap is bigger in Finland than in Malta, Italy and Portugal: much less women in working life in these latter countries. Look at the employment rates graph in the Annex: employment rate for women in Finland is 75%, when in all the three others it is 50% or below that.

    If we assume women in Finland work mostly in lesser paying jobs, in those southern countries many more of these jobs are done by men, and so for the men the average wage is smaller at the same time as for the the women it is proportionally the about the same as in Finland. As a result, the pay gap is smaller. Am I reading this right, what do you think?

    Comment by Drakon — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 12:25 pm

  4. Yes, I was going to say being a housewife is probably more common in them southern countries.

    Comment by Hank W. — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 12:42 pm

  5. as far as italy is concerned, one must also take into account the large number of italian men in their 20s and 30s who are unemployed and live with their parents. thats gotta skew their data a little bit.

    Comment by jenkki immigrant — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 1:01 pm

  6. The easy explanation why the pay gap is bigger in Finland than in Malta, Italy and Portugal: much less women in working life in these latter countries.

    That makes sense. Women are more likely to stay home, so men take over the lower paying jobs that women would normally take.

    Comment by Phil — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 1:18 pm

  7. Here, a couple of insightful Newsweek articles about this problem:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10682392/site/newsweek/

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11435567/site/newsweek/

    Comment by nirva — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 4:13 pm

  8. We might have a woman as a president but the one with all the power (prime minister) is man. President has less powers than queen of England.

    Comment by Soumipoika — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 5:04 pm

  9. As far as I can tell the division gap in Portugal (the one country I know :) ) is between educated ppl and no so educated folks. Women are already the majority in the Unis and they tend to pick jobs - nurses, MD, teachers, public admnist, that are paid above average - quite a bit, in fact. Uneducated ppl are much worse off, in fact this is he country with higher inequality i the EU (was it eu-15…?) There is still high discrimination between male and female, but minor in relative terms.

    Comment by aNtonio — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 7:35 pm

  10. Also in Italy, etc. the women who _do_ get to work then tend to be those who want to do career, and so disproportionally more low income women stay home than high income women. This does not necessarily mean that men take the low income jobs, (if women take care of children at home, there’s less need for child care professionals as an example).

    Comment by Mikko S�rel� — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 8:08 pm

  11. I remember reading something in the HS a week or so ago how something like 50 or 60% of Finns have some sort of debilitating disease. Pretty amazing statistics if true.

    It’s all that inbreeding and the hereditary diseases that go with it. And the lousy diet (just ask Silvio & Jacques), sausage being the most common vegetable and all.

    All you furriners with Finnish spouses, stop wasting time on the net and put your genes to work. :)

    And teach your kids to eat their veggies.

    Comment by Freeridin' Franklin — Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 @ 10:54 pm

  12. Soumipoika: President has less powers than queen of England.

    Explain please. The president of Finland leads foreign policy (at least in principle) and has a big influence on public opinion whereas the Queen tries to remain out of political issues. Or is there something I’m missing?

    Comment by Pave — Tue, Feb 28th, 2006 @ 1:03 am

  13. Pave, he _might_ have been exaggerating intentionally.

    Comment by Johhnyboy — Tue, Feb 28th, 2006 @ 2:10 am

  14. Although even then his opinion is stupid, because the president does have very significant powers.

    Comment by Johhnyboy — Tue, Feb 28th, 2006 @ 2:11 am

  15. It’s much more complicated than looking at a single number, as some comments above point out. Something else worth noting is that this is the aggregate wages of the sexes, and as such is not an accurate way to measure wage differentials between wages. The pay gap between sexes in Finland is negligent between a woman and a man working the same job and same hours with same educational backgroudn and similar experience. This is the case in most western countries

    So why do women earn so much less in aggregate? Part of it is due to workforce participation levels as pointed out. Further, women tend to work shorter hours and take more short-term or part-time jobs than men. Also, women with no higher education tend to choose safe, lower-paying jobs (secretaries, waitresses, cleaners) whereas men often choose dangerous, higher-paying jobs (factories, mines, mills). Maternity leaves also play a signficant role as men are much less likely to take paternity leaves.

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