Actually Finnish women don’t earn significantly less than their male colleagues, but they do earn less than men in general. The problem is that women tend to choose low-paying jobs, and SAK doesn’t give a shit about them. Seriously, SAK is supposed to protect the poor “duunari”, but the only people who are getting pay raises (often after a strike) are those who have manly jobs (paper workers, plumbers, etc.). At the same time cleaners and nurses are starving and being ignored.

Teachers are also mostly women, and thanks to the dirt cheap education, horribly underpaid. There’s actually a shortage of qualified teachers in many parts of Finland because of the low pay.

Acutally, the interesting part of that study is the section about “Healthy Life Years at Birth; the number of years a person is expected to live in absence of limitations….” where Finnish women scored the lowest and men next to last after Hungary. I remember reading something in the HS a week or so ago how something like 50 or 60% of Finns have some sort of debilitating disease. Pretty amazing statistics if true.

The easy explanation why the pay gap is bigger in Finland than in Malta, Italy and Portugal: much less women in working life in these latter countries. Look at the employment rates graph in the Annex: employment rate for women in Finland is 75%, when in all the three others it is 50% or below that.

If we assume women in Finland work mostly in lesser paying jobs, in those southern countries many more of these jobs are done by men, and so for the men the average wage is smaller at the same time as for the the women it is proportionally the about the same as in Finland. As a result, the pay gap is smaller. Am I reading this right, what do you think?

Yes, I was going to say being a housewife is probably more common in them southern countries.

as far as italy is concerned, one must also take into account the large number of italian men in their 20s and 30s who are unemployed and live with their parents. thats gotta skew their data a little bit.

The easy explanation why the pay gap is bigger in Finland than in Malta, Italy and Portugal: much less women in working life in these latter countries.

That makes sense. Women are more likely to stay home, so men take over the lower paying jobs that women would normally take.

Here, a couple of insightful Newsweek articles about this problem:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10682392/site/newsweek/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11435567/site/newsweek/

We might have a woman as a president but the one with all the power (prime minister) is man. President has less powers than queen of England.

As far as I can tell the division gap in Portugal (the one country I know ) is between educated ppl and no so educated folks. Women are already the majority in the Unis and they tend to pick jobs – nurses, MD, teachers, public admnist, that are paid above average – quite a bit, in fact. Uneducated ppl are much worse off, in fact this is he country with higher inequality i the EU (was it eu-15…?) There is still high discrimination between male and female, but minor in relative terms.

Also in Italy, etc. the women who _do_ get to work then tend to be those who want to do career, and so disproportionally more low income women stay home than high income women. This does not necessarily mean that men take the low income jobs, (if women take care of children at home, there’s less need for child care professionals as an example).

I remember reading something in the HS a week or so ago how something like 50 or 60% of Finns have some sort of debilitating disease. Pretty amazing statistics if true.

It’s all that inbreeding and the hereditary diseases that go with it. And the lousy diet (just ask Silvio & Jacques), sausage being the most common vegetable and all.

All you furriners with Finnish spouses, stop wasting time on the net and put your genes to work.

And teach your kids to eat their veggies.

Soumipoika: President has less powers than queen of England.

Explain please. The president of Finland leads foreign policy (at least in principle) and has a big influence on public opinion whereas the Queen tries to remain out of political issues. Or is there something I’m missing?

Pave, he _might_ have been exaggerating intentionally.

Although even then his opinion is stupid, because the president does have very significant powers.

It’s much more complicated than looking at a single number, as some comments above point out. Something else worth noting is that this is the aggregate wages of the sexes, and as such is not an accurate way to measure wage differentials between wages. The pay gap between sexes in Finland is negligent between a woman and a man working the same job and same hours with same educational backgroudn and similar experience. This is the case in most western countries

So why do women earn so much less in aggregate? Part of it is due to workforce participation levels as pointed out. Further, women tend to work shorter hours and take more short-term or part-time jobs than men. Also, women with no higher education tend to choose safe, lower-paying jobs (secretaries, waitresses, cleaners) whereas men often choose dangerous, higher-paying jobs (factories, mines, mills). Maternity leaves also play a signficant role as men are much less likely to take paternity leaves.

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