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		<title>By: finn</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-329480</link>
		<dc:creator>finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O_o hahhaa... ette te tiiä</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O_o hahhaa&#8230; ette te tiiä</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-283407</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>her tits are to small</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>her tits are to small</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-283406</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o my god! why why do you this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o my god! why why do you this?</p>
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		<title>By: mara is a wise man</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34396</link>
		<dc:creator>mara is a wise man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks mara, not for a long time heard something that wise and &quot;educated&quot; than from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks mara, not for a long time heard something that wise and &#8220;educated&#8221; than from you.</p>
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		<title>By: mara</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34375</link>
		<dc:creator>mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this site has discussions about the Mohammad cartoons and the Lindex bus stop adÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s, I thought this post might fit in. 

I see a connection between the Islamists getting all worked up about pictures of  Mohammed and the Swedish Lutherans getting all worked up about LindexÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Ã¢â‚¬Å“we love boobsÃ¢â‚¬Â ad.  Here it goes.  

At first glance neither makes sense. After all, there have been published, respectful, and accepted Islamic pictures of Mohammed and many Lindex bus stop ads of bras.  What is so offending about these particular ones?  

In short: MohammedÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s person is pictured as impure, and LindexÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ad with impure words. 

If you think about Christianity, one of its core stories is that in Jesus Ã¢â‚¬Å“the word became fleshÃ¢â‚¬Â. God, which is a conceptual, abstract, timeless ideal, became a concrete, imperfect, mortal human being. Through this transformation God showed that He has mercy and saves humans from their original sin (of living a bodily, concrete, and imperfect existence), if only humans in turn believe in the ideal God. A model life for a good Christian is to imitate this humble incorporation of impurity.
Most Christian blasphemy accusations that I can recall seem to do more with using offending words and symbols against the ideal of Godly life than with depicting God with impure body. Churches are full of pictures of tormented bodies (mostly of Jesus on cross) so Christianity simply cannot be offended by imperfect bodies. 

In Islam, the core story goes in the exact opposite direction: Ã¢â‚¬Å“flesh became wordÃ¢â‚¬Â.  Mohammad, a human prophet, became associated with the ideal God, became holy, and *wrote* GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s will. The model of a good Muslim is to live imitating this transcendence from the concrete to the ideal. A good Moslem enters the Paradise through deeds, by controlling the bodily temptations, and making sure his body acts in the prescribed, pure manner. The Islamic blasphemy is about associating the ideal God with impure body.
 
So the Lindex ad is offensive to some people with Christian background not because there are boobs in the picture, but because there are the impure words Ã¢â‚¬Å“we love boobsÃ¢â‚¬Â.  And the Islamists are offended by the cartoons, not because the cartoon is associating militant Islamists with bombs (which could be considered a respected act of jihad), but because there is a picture of a MohammadÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s body in an impure state.

As for me, I thank all the Gods that there is a blog site that is cool enough to both show the pictures of cartoons and bra ads, and to write about those topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this site has discussions about the Mohammad cartoons and the Lindex bus stop adÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s, I thought this post might fit in. </p>
<p>I see a connection between the Islamists getting all worked up about pictures of  Mohammed and the Swedish Lutherans getting all worked up about LindexÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Ã¢â‚¬Å“we love boobsÃ¢â‚¬Â ad.  Here it goes.  </p>
<p>At first glance neither makes sense. After all, there have been published, respectful, and accepted Islamic pictures of Mohammed and many Lindex bus stop ads of bras.  What is so offending about these particular ones?  </p>
<p>In short: MohammedÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s person is pictured as impure, and LindexÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ad with impure words. </p>
<p>If you think about Christianity, one of its core stories is that in Jesus Ã¢â‚¬Å“the word became fleshÃ¢â‚¬Â. God, which is a conceptual, abstract, timeless ideal, became a concrete, imperfect, mortal human being. Through this transformation God showed that He has mercy and saves humans from their original sin (of living a bodily, concrete, and imperfect existence), if only humans in turn believe in the ideal God. A model life for a good Christian is to imitate this humble incorporation of impurity.<br />
Most Christian blasphemy accusations that I can recall seem to do more with using offending words and symbols against the ideal of Godly life than with depicting God with impure body. Churches are full of pictures of tormented bodies (mostly of Jesus on cross) so Christianity simply cannot be offended by imperfect bodies. </p>
<p>In Islam, the core story goes in the exact opposite direction: Ã¢â‚¬Å“flesh became wordÃ¢â‚¬Â.  Mohammad, a human prophet, became associated with the ideal God, became holy, and *wrote* GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s will. The model of a good Muslim is to live imitating this transcendence from the concrete to the ideal. A good Moslem enters the Paradise through deeds, by controlling the bodily temptations, and making sure his body acts in the prescribed, pure manner. The Islamic blasphemy is about associating the ideal God with impure body.</p>
<p>So the Lindex ad is offensive to some people with Christian background not because there are boobs in the picture, but because there are the impure words Ã¢â‚¬Å“we love boobsÃ¢â‚¬Â.  And the Islamists are offended by the cartoons, not because the cartoon is associating militant Islamists with bombs (which could be considered a respected act of jihad), but because there is a picture of a MohammadÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s body in an impure state.</p>
<p>As for me, I thank all the Gods that there is a blog site that is cool enough to both show the pictures of cartoons and bra ads, and to write about those topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Boobs and asses</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34307</link>
		<dc:creator>Boobs and asses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Anzi, that we would need pictures of males, as well. If there are to be some ads with erotic connotation (that&#039;s what they have), so then for both sexes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Anzi, that we would need pictures of males, as well. If there are to be some ads with erotic connotation (that&#8217;s what they have), so then for both sexes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anzi</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34180</link>
		<dc:creator>Anzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, come on. Would anything please you under those circumstances?&quot;

Yes. A Lindex ad which states that for every two bras bought, you get a  big cup of hot cocoa for free. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, come on. Would anything please you under those circumstances?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. A Lindex ad which states that for every two bras bought, you get a  big cup of hot cocoa for free. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo W.</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34159</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When I wait for a bus in -20C IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d rather see something else than half-naked women with some stupid text added to the picture.&quot;

Oh, come on. Would anything please you under those circumstances?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When I wait for a bus in -20C IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d rather see something else than half-naked women with some stupid text added to the picture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, come on. Would anything please you under those circumstances?</p>
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		<title>By: A Finn</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34087</link>
		<dc:creator>A Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were there a full face on that ad it would not be censored, but in torso&amp;lips form I guess it might slightly offend feminists and feminines...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were there a full face on that ad it would not be censored, but in torso&amp;lips form I guess it might slightly offend feminists and feminines&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Giustino, the are called rinnat, boobs. Rinta means a boob. Either way, I love &#039;em. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Giustino, the are called rinnat, boobs. Rinta means a boob. Either way, I love &#8216;em. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Helsinkian</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34078</link>
		<dc:creator>Helsinkian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>giustino: &quot;rinnad&quot; in Estonian is &quot;rinnat&quot; in Finnish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>giustino: &#8220;rinnad&#8221; in Estonian is &#8220;rinnat&#8221; in Finnish.</p>
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		<title>By: giustino</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2006/02/16/swedish-transport-bosses-ban-boobs/comment-page-1/#comment-34076</link>
		<dc:creator>giustino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does &#039;rinta&#039; mean boobs? In Estonia I think they are called &quot;rinnad.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does &#8216;rinta&#8217; mean boobs? In Estonia I think they are called &#8220;rinnad.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in Stockholm, and saw this in the press also. The strange thing is, until the other day, the posters were up in tunnelbana stations complete with slogan. The ads were also everywhere else, like bus stops, and also non-SL locations such as on the front of the Metro free newspaper. So, it seems that maybe SL relented, although I never saw anything reported of this.... hmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in Stockholm, and saw this in the press also. The strange thing is, until the other day, the posters were up in tunnelbana stations complete with slogan. The ads were also everywhere else, like bus stops, and also non-SL locations such as on the front of the Metro free newspaper. So, it seems that maybe SL relented, although I never saw anything reported of this&#8230;. hmm</p>
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		<title>By: jenkki immigrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenkki immigrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i couldn&#039;t give a crap about the lindex ads, but i&#039;d like to go on the record saying boobs are awesome.  even more awesome are boobs supported by a good bra.  yay boobs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i couldn&#8217;t give a crap about the lindex ads, but i&#8217;d like to go on the record saying boobs are awesome.  even more awesome are boobs supported by a good bra.  yay boobs!</p>
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		<title>By: Philip M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what SL would say about the famous Wonderbra ad with the slogen &lt;b&gt; &quot;Hello Boys&quot; &lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what SL would say about the famous Wonderbra ad with the slogen <b> &#8220;Hello Boys&#8221; </b>.</p>
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