Comments on: Finns: “poorly educated, abuses drugs, skives off school, dies young in a violent manner” http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/ Politics, current events, culture - From Finland & United States Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:02:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Alessandro http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-16117 Alessandro Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:47:12 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-16117 Shut the fuck up! http://www.geocities.com/ffncc/Students-Best.htm Shut the fuck up!

http://www.geocities.com/ffncc/Students-Best.htm

]]> By: Anton http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15940 Anton Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:37:11 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15940 What kind of a schoolbook would in any context give the picture that a certain nationality skips school? Are we talking about novels that you can borrow from the school-library? This whole thing just reeks of "Slow newsday, lets fill it up with crap" Does anyone have a link to quotes from these books? What kind of a schoolbook would in any context give the picture that a certain nationality skips school?

Are we talking about novels that you can borrow from the school-library? This whole thing just reeks of “Slow newsday, lets fill it up with crap”

Does anyone have a link to quotes from these books?

]]> By: Timppa http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15930 Timppa Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:15:00 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15930 WTF is this fuss about?! The Swedes are giving us Finns a compliment. They are saying we're badasses and too cool for school. We are good at sports and we die young like James Dean - how cool is that? They even acknowledge that we kicked some serious commie ass in WW2. Thanks Sweden. WTF is this fuss about?! The Swedes are giving us Finns a compliment. They are saying we’re badasses and too cool for school. We are good at sports and we die young like James Dean - how cool is that? They even acknowledge that we kicked some serious commie ass in WW2. Thanks Sweden.

]]> By: gopha http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15922 gopha Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:44:23 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15922 Holy shit! Being an American, i grew up learning from our textbooks which offer subtle, distorted views on our history and our dealing with the world (Ex. Civil War and States Rights, the Natives and Making Room for Whitey, World War 2... America Saves the Day! *yawn*). However, i don't ever remember seeing anything as bigoted as the example in the article. Maybe that's what's so shocking about it, to us Americans anyways. (Yes yes, we have our own bullshit to deal with. Blah blah blah.) I don't expect Swedes to collectively hold that opinion of Finns, and if they don't? Good for them. I would, however, really hate to see some Swedes growing up with that idea of Finns in their head. Because, being American, i can also relate to having the facts distorted and "swept under the rug" in order to save face and being disappointed years later when i learn the truth. Anyways the truth of the matter is that Finns are actually sauna-dwelling elves that will eat your babies! :D Holy shit! Being an American, i grew up learning from our textbooks which offer subtle, distorted views on our history and our dealing with the world (Ex. Civil War and States Rights, the Natives and Making Room for Whitey, World War 2… America Saves the Day! *yawn*). However, i don’t ever remember seeing anything as bigoted as the example in the article. Maybe that’s what’s so shocking about it, to us Americans anyways. (Yes yes, we have our own bullshit to deal with. Blah blah blah.)

I don’t expect Swedes to collectively hold that opinion of Finns, and if they don’t? Good for them. I would, however, really hate to see some Swedes growing up with that idea of Finns in their head. Because, being American, i can also relate to having the facts distorted and “swept under the rug” in order to save face and being disappointed years later when i learn the truth.

Anyways the truth of the matter is that Finns are actually sauna-dwelling elves that will eat your babies! :D

]]> By: Jormanen http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15919 Jormanen Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:38:33 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15919 I used to read Hufvudstadsbladet as student. When Matti Nykänen won olympic gold metal he was a "finländare". When he had some well known problems later, he was a "finne". I used to read Hufvudstadsbladet as student. When Matti Nykänen won olympic gold metal he was a “finländare”. When he had some well known problems later, he was a “finne”.

]]> By: Söderberg http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15915 Söderberg Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:29:25 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15915 Actually "Fenni", used by Tacitus in "Germania" most likely referred to the Sami. As for finländare-finne, the problem with which term to use arose in the 1800s when the fennomans began to conflate country and language. Actually “Fenni”, used by Tacitus in “Germania” most likely referred to the Sami. As for finländare-finne, the problem with which term to use arose in the 1800s when the fennomans began to conflate country and language.

]]> By: Tomi http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15897 Tomi Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:17:15 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15897 <i>Maybe off topic in this thread, but “finländare” is the correct term in Swedish, unless you explicitly refer to the Finnish language.It’s equivalent to Phil calling himself “American” (=the country), not “English” (=the language). </i> The Finland-Swedish elite came up with Finländare, finländsk (as well as with the distinction between "finnar" and "finlandssvenskar"). about a hundred years ago. The idea was to fight the fennomanic movement by uniting the Swedish-speaking population which until then had had very little in common. I've got no problem with that. I just was curious about whether "Finn" is losing its ethnic connotations and becoming a "neutral" term once again. By the way, "Finn" is Swedish - apparently meaning originally the Sami. Maybe off topic in this thread, but “finländare” is the correct term in Swedish, unless you explicitly refer to the Finnish language.It’s equivalent to Phil calling himself “American” (=the country), not “English” (=the language).

The Finland-Swedish elite came up with Finländare, finländsk (as well as with the distinction between “finnar” and “finlandssvenskar”). about a hundred years ago. The idea was to fight the fennomanic movement by uniting the Swedish-speaking population which until then had had very little in common. I’ve got no problem with that. I just was curious about whether “Finn” is losing its ethnic connotations and becoming a “neutral” term once again. By the way, “Finn” is Swedish - apparently meaning originally the Sami.

]]> By: perkele http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15893 perkele Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:46:58 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15893 Sorry, "We" should be "well" -"No TV and no beer make Homer something something" -"Go crazy?" -"Don't mind if I do!" Sorry, “We” should be “well”

-”No TV and no beer make Homer something something”

-”Go crazy?”

-”Don’t mind if I do!”

]]> By: perkele http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15892 perkele Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:45:35 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15892 We at least you aren't like us Americans, who pretend like we feel SUPERIOR to other developed nations, when in actuality we are so insecure on the inside. Case in point, EVERYTHING that is going on in the world right now. We at least you aren’t like us Americans, who pretend like we feel SUPERIOR to other developed nations, when in actuality we are so insecure on the inside.

Case in point, EVERYTHING that is going on in the world right now.

]]> By: Gonzo http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15891 Gonzo Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:40:24 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15891 <i>Yet the majority of Finns feel inferior to Swedes, on some level.</i> For some reason, we tend to feel inferior towards pretty much any developed nation. Yet the majority of Finns feel inferior to Swedes, on some level.

For some reason, we tend to feel inferior towards pretty much any developed nation.

]]> By: perkele http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15885 perkele Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:56:15 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15885 Yet the majority of Finns feel inferior to Swedes, on some level. Yet the majority of Finns feel inferior to Swedes, on some level.

]]> By: Söderberg http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15884 Söderberg Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:53:46 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15884 #14: Maybe off topic in this thread, but "finländare" is the correct term in Swedish, unless you explicitly refer to the Finnish language.It's equivalent to Phil calling himself "American" (=the country), not "English" (=the language). #14: Maybe off topic in this thread, but “finländare” is the correct term in Swedish, unless you explicitly refer to the Finnish language.It’s equivalent to Phil calling himself “American” (=the country), not “English” (=the language).

]]> By: Gonzo http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15879 Gonzo Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:26:36 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15879 <i>After sending this article to some Swedes for feedback they all stated their surprise. The image of Finns in Sweden doesn’t seem to be compatible with the picture drawn in this article. However, it is funny how much response is created in Finland. Maybe the real problem is a notorious Finnish infireority complex?</i> You said it better than I could. I think everyone knows that the majority of Swedes don't have this view of Finns. After sending this article to some Swedes for feedback they all stated their surprise. The image of Finns in Sweden doesn’t seem to be compatible with the picture drawn in this article. However, it is funny how much response is created in Finland. Maybe the real problem is a notorious Finnish infireority complex?

You said it better than I could. I think everyone knows that the majority of Swedes don’t have this view of Finns.

]]> By: alexbafana http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15877 alexbafana Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:56:57 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15877 After sending this article to some Swedes for feedback they all stated their surprise. The image of Finns in Sweden doesn't seem to be compatible with the picture drawn in this article. However, it is funny how much response is created in Finland. Maybe the real problem is a notorious Finnish infireority complex? After sending this article to some Swedes for feedback they all stated their surprise. The image of Finns in Sweden doesn’t seem to be compatible with the picture drawn in this article. However, it is funny how much response is created in Finland. Maybe the real problem is a notorious Finnish infireority complex?

]]> By: Phil http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15861 Phil Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:50:13 +0000 http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/12/07/finns-poorly-educated-abuses-drugs-skives-off-school-dies-young-in-a-violent-manner/#comment-15861 <i>Out of interest, do you, Phil, think you could ever, say after 50 years of living here, refer to yourself as a “Finn”. </i> I look forward to referring to myself as a Finn, but first I need to master the language then wait till I'm 34 (so I don't need to join army) and get my citizenship. But then again, I could never imagine myself NOT being American. Out of interest, do you, Phil, think you could ever, say after 50 years of living here, refer to yourself as a “Finn”.

I look forward to referring to myself as a Finn, but first I need to master the language then wait till I’m 34 (so I don’t need to join army) and get my citizenship. But then again, I could never imagine myself NOT being American.

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