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	<title>Comments on: Finnish social services and police wrongly take away immigrant&#8217;s baby</title>
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		<title>By: Freeridin' Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeridin' Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I understand itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s hard for you lazy people to understand that with relatively little exercise you would also become muscular. Try it.&lt;/i&gt;

With zero exercise, actually. Just shoot some steroids.

Now, without pharmaceutical assistance, you&#039;ll need four hours at the gym every day for at least a year to get any visible results. I have better things to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I understand itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s hard for you lazy people to understand that with relatively little exercise you would also become muscular. Try it.</i></p>
<p>With zero exercise, actually. Just shoot some steroids.</p>
<p>Now, without pharmaceutical assistance, you&#8217;ll need four hours at the gym every day for at least a year to get any visible results. I have better things to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin-Ãƒâ€°ric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin-Ãƒâ€°ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just taking the baby away from the guy and giving an official paper explaining why and how to contact the authorities who have the baby in custody would have been enough. The fact that they also took him to the police station was uncalled for and downright racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just taking the baby away from the guy and giving an official paper explaining why and how to contact the authorities who have the baby in custody would have been enough. The fact that they also took him to the police station was uncalled for and downright racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Suomen mies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suomen mies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prince of dorkness: yes, muscles don&#039;t help if your neighbour has a gun. That&#039;s another reason to call the cops.

However, the chances of getting shot are very slim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prince of dorkness: yes, muscles don&#8217;t help if your neighbour has a gun. That&#8217;s another reason to call the cops.</p>
<p>However, the chances of getting shot are very slim.</p>
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		<title>By: Suomen mies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suomen mies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qwerty, as I already explained, not everyone is brave or has the means to defend himself / herself. Do you think that a brute who abuses his own baby would listen to a geek, no matter how well grounded his arguments were? You obviously haven&#039;t seen the world yet. You&#039;ll learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qwerty, as I already explained, not everyone is brave or has the means to defend himself / herself. Do you think that a brute who abuses his own baby would listen to a geek, no matter how well grounded his arguments were? You obviously haven&#8217;t seen the world yet. You&#8217;ll learn.</p>
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		<title>By: qwerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I know from experience that people listen to your complaints more carefully when you are bigger..&quot;

I think that suomenmies will admit that with tact and intelligence you can reach a lot better results than with size. 

Size being an issue in &#039;complaints being listened to when you are bigger&#039; reveals a passive aggresive attitude probably typical for his reserved behaviour in real life (I preseume), combined with a very &#039;masculine&#039; atttude. How sweet. 

But why assume a potential physical aggressive confrontation into  where one is simply concerned about the well being of a child? 

In my opinion the the ONLY sensible thing to do is go and ring the doorbell. If you were really concerned about someone torturing a baby, would you really be willing to wait the extra time it takes for the police to get there?

And did the neighbour know the nationality of the father in beforehand and was it taken into account when deciding to call the police?

What ever happened to common sense when living in a civilized community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know from experience that people listen to your complaints more carefully when you are bigger..&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that suomenmies will admit that with tact and intelligence you can reach a lot better results than with size. </p>
<p>Size being an issue in &#8216;complaints being listened to when you are bigger&#8217; reveals a passive aggresive attitude probably typical for his reserved behaviour in real life (I preseume), combined with a very &#8216;masculine&#8217; atttude. How sweet. </p>
<p>But why assume a potential physical aggressive confrontation into  where one is simply concerned about the well being of a child? </p>
<p>In my opinion the the ONLY sensible thing to do is go and ring the doorbell. If you were really concerned about someone torturing a baby, would you really be willing to wait the extra time it takes for the police to get there?</p>
<p>And did the neighbour know the nationality of the father in beforehand and was it taken into account when deciding to call the police?</p>
<p>What ever happened to common sense when living in a civilized community?</p>
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		<title>By: prince of dorkness</title>
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		<dc:creator>prince of dorkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Suomen mies
you actually made a valid point about the risks people might face in interfering with their neighbours, but you mess it up with this bodybuilder crap. A 12-gauge isn&#039;t impressed by any amount of muscle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Suomen mies<br />
you actually made a valid point about the risks people might face in interfering with their neighbours, but you mess it up with this bodybuilder crap. A 12-gauge isn&#8217;t impressed by any amount of muscle.</p>
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		<title>By: Suomen mies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suomen mies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand it&#039;s hard for you lazy people to understand that with relatively little exercise you would also become muscular. Try it.

I know from experience that people listen to your complaints more carefully when you are bigger...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand it&#8217;s hard for you lazy people to understand that with relatively little exercise you would also become muscular. Try it.</p>
<p>I know from experience that people listen to your complaints more carefully when you are bigger&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s easy for a big, muscular guy like myself to do that&quot; 

Classic internet syndrome. By the way, I drive a Lamborghini Murcielago, earn 750,000Ã¢â€šÂ¬ per year, Live in a 400 m2 mansion in Kaunianen. Along with being 190cm, and 95 ripped kg of Man Flesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s easy for a big, muscular guy like myself to do that&#8221; </p>
<p>Classic internet syndrome. By the way, I drive a Lamborghini Murcielago, earn 750,000Ã¢â€šÂ¬ per year, Live in a 400 m2 mansion in Kaunianen. Along with being 190cm, and 95 ripped kg of Man Flesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Suomen mies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suomen mies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“What happened to just ringin the doorbell and see whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s going on?Ã¢â‚¬Â

If you suspect someone is crazy enough to abuse his own baby, it might not be a very good idea to go tell him what to do. It&#039;s easy for a big, muscular guy like myself to do that, but perhaps the neighbour was an old lady, who thought it would be best to call the police?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“What happened to just ringin the doorbell and see whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s going on?Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>If you suspect someone is crazy enough to abuse his own baby, it might not be a very good idea to go tell him what to do. It&#8217;s easy for a big, muscular guy like myself to do that, but perhaps the neighbour was an old lady, who thought it would be best to call the police?</p>
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		<title>By: Suomen mies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suomen mies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;BigUnit&quot;, your comment was not a smart one. I must tell you this, because, it appears, making that very conclusion is out of your league.

Spend a good year or two thinking, and you just might get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BigUnit&#8221;, your comment was not a smart one. I must tell you this, because, it appears, making that very conclusion is out of your league.</p>
<p>Spend a good year or two thinking, and you just might get it.</p>
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		<title>By: BigUnit</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigUnit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“What does the Indian guyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s race have to do with all this?Ã¢â‚¬Â

Nothing to do with race, everything to do with language. Which, in this case is connected to race. Connect the dots, you might be suprised!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“What does the Indian guyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s race have to do with all this?Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>Nothing to do with race, everything to do with language. Which, in this case is connected to race. Connect the dots, you might be suprised!</p>
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		<title>By: Nokia mies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nokia mies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What happened to just ringin the doorbell and see what&#039;s going on?&quot;

LOL..... that would involve too much awkward social contact with another human being...definitely a no no. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What happened to just ringin the doorbell and see what&#8217;s going on?&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL&#8230;.. that would involve too much awkward social contact with another human being&#8230;definitely a no no. <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suomen Mies,

&quot;What does the Indian guy&#039;s race have to do with  all this?&quot;

Of course, I wasn&#039;t there, but I suspect that the answer is likely to have been &quot;at least alot&quot;.

If it was purely a Finnish household, I doubt that the situation would have ended up similarly.

I appreciate the low tolerance of child abuse, but what about a similar level of low intolerance of racial intolerance?

Again, with Han&#039;s statement, we see a referral to non-Finnish examples to deflect blame: His remarks about Denmark and stun guns are once again finger pointing exercises to outside Finland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suomen Mies,</p>
<p>&#8220;What does the Indian guy&#8217;s race have to do with  all this?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, I wasn&#8217;t there, but I suspect that the answer is likely to have been &#8220;at least alot&#8221;.</p>
<p>If it was purely a Finnish household, I doubt that the situation would have ended up similarly.</p>
<p>I appreciate the low tolerance of child abuse, but what about a similar level of low intolerance of racial intolerance?</p>
<p>Again, with Han&#8217;s statement, we see a referral to non-Finnish examples to deflect blame: His remarks about Denmark and stun guns are once again finger pointing exercises to outside Finland.</p>
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		<title>By: Suomen mies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suomen mies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, Hans there answered your criticism.

I have no way of knowing what goes inside the heads of those policemen. I wasn&#039;t there, and neither were you. Yes, there is racism in Finland, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that if the baby&#039;s safety is in doubt, the police intervention is justified.

What does the Indian guy&#039;s &quot;race&quot; have to do with all this? Are you saying that he should be treated differently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, Hans there answered your criticism.</p>
<p>I have no way of knowing what goes inside the heads of those policemen. I wasn&#8217;t there, and neither were you. Yes, there is racism in Finland, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that if the baby&#8217;s safety is in doubt, the police intervention is justified.</p>
<p>What does the Indian guy&#8217;s &#8220;race&#8221; have to do with all this? Are you saying that he should be treated differently?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read about identical incidents taking place in Denmark. The threshold for the police to take someone to their custody for questioning is very low when children are involved. Why? Because of celebrated cases when they did not act in that manner.

Well, at least they didn&#039;t use their stun guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read about identical incidents taking place in Denmark. The threshold for the police to take someone to their custody for questioning is very low when children are involved. Why? Because of celebrated cases when they did not act in that manner.</p>
<p>Well, at least they didn&#8217;t use their stun guns.</p>
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