Owning a very dangerous dog breed might be an unacceptable threat to other individuals – like a nuclear bomb. My point is that even libertarians would ban a very dangerous dog breed if there was one.

BTW, Phil, you are totally mixing British and American english spelling.

People should think what they want from their dog before they get one. Those who take a fight dog for protecting their family are plain stupid or ignorant. It’s almost the same issue as in buying a dog for child’s birthday.

And if you take an energetic and strong dog (for example a pitt bull), you’re obliged to train it properly. Otherwise in my opinion it’s cruelty towards the animal.

Unfortunately this is just a fantasy…

.Owning a very dangerous dog breed might be an unacceptable threat to other individuals

My point is that the owners make them more dangerous than they really are. I’ve known pit bulls, the worst they would do is lick you to death, but the owner has properly trained them like all dog owners should.

My point is that even libertarians would ban a very dangerous dog breed if there was one.

Libertarians would never “ban” a breed of dog. Besides, no one is banning them, just chopping off their nutsack.

BTW, Phil, you are totally mixing British and American english spelling.

Yes, it is my attempt to unite the two cultures. (BTW, where did I use the British spelling?)

To me Phil’s text here looks like American spelling. There may be some spelling mistakes but I don’t see British spelling in this one.

“Those who take a fight dog for protecting…”
Should there be a “fight dog” at the first place? People has been altering dogs for their needs through out history, and those needs has changed over many times already. So I’d like to ask if e.g. pitt bull could be something not that… er, well, it’s difficult to say this without getting on hate list of dog enthusiasts, but like those nuclear weapons whitch qwerty mentioned, aren’t they a bit useless already?
I mean, there’s plenty of dog breeds whitch would make a good guard dog without eating everybody who is trespassing, like the mail man or gas reader. Of course I don’t mean killing everything “useless” or anything, but after all, dog, in the way we know it, is man made, sort of freak among animals (not the only one). We have been messing with nature like a mad scientist and sometimes the creatures just…

Walk through any inner-city neighborhood in the U.S and there is a good chance you will see Pittbulls in yards. They are a status symbol in the “Gangsta” lifestyle. You might also notice that most of those Pittbulls are wearing metal collars that jingle when they walk, which constantly keeps them in a semi-aggravated state. If you blame the dog, ya gotta blame the owner too.

The problem is that, the kind of dumbass Americans who think they need a dog to protect their house are more likely to treat that dog poorly

Interesting. Americans who think they need a dog to protect their homes are dumbasses whereas, supposedly, Americans who think they need guns for the same are not.

I’ll disagree and say that it is largely the breed. Of course, dogs do respond to and take on many personality traits of their owners, but certain breeds are bred for specific traits, e.g. saint bernards for their quiet and gentle nature. Pit bulls can be nice dogs, but the breed was made for fighting and no matter how gentle you are to that dog, the genetics are like a ticking bomb. One of Otava’s pals is a young pit bull pup who is as sweet as can be, but he’s a biter and I wonder if one day he isn’t going to snap, like a few others I’ve known in the past, and his jaws will lock.

Also, spaying and neutering house pets not intended for breeding is smart given the number of unwanted puppies in shelters around the US. Not to mention that popular breeds tend to bring out the greedy who think breeding dogs in their garage is easy money without thought to the breed or the pups they produce. Saints have suffered a lot from this, too, since the Beethoven movies.

Interesting. Americans who think they need a dog to protect their homes are dumbasses whereas, supposedly, Americans who think they need guns for the same are not.

A dog won’t protect your house. Secondly, leaving a gun tied up in the closet for it’s life won’t make it angry.

Some breeds, originally bred for fighting, may be genetically predisposed to be more aggressive than others.
Wolf-dog mixbreeds may not be properly domesticated.
Since there are a lot of dogs with less questionable genetic background, I’m not much bothered by a few breeds getting banned.
But the main problem (like Phil says) is the idiots who want a real mean dog for protection.
(A trained police dog is another thing, but that takes a lot of work, you can’t just buy one.)
There’s no real solution for this.
Treat a dog badly enough and whatever its breed it will turn into a nutcase.
Sometimes the blowback hurts the right people, though.
Heard of a woman who got a big, mean dog from Estonia, ‘for protection’ a while back.
The dog tried to chew her arm off within a week.

BTW, the second amendment starts with the words, ‘a well regulated militia being necessary’.
The original idea was something on the lines of the Swiss Army.
Homeland defense, not home defense.

A dog won’t protect your house.

A properly trained one will. Granted, the average dumbass dog owner doesn’t have what it takes to train even a pet, much less a guard dog.

Secondly, leaving a gun tied up in the closet for it’s life won’t make it angry.

Neither will it protect your home while you’re away. It will, however, attract burglars if they have any clue that there are guns in the house.

Neither will it protect your home while you’re away.

It might protect you if you’re there.

It will, however, attract burglars if they have any clue that there are guns in the house.

I think alot of Americans have guns in the house, so, it shouldn’t attract too much attention. It’s not worth getting your head blown off to try and steal someone’s gun.

BTW, the second amendment starts with the words, ‘a well regulated militia being necessary’.
The original idea was something on the lines of the Swiss Army.
Homeland defense, not home defense.

Screw the constitution. It can always be ammended so arguing over our founding father’s intentions is a waste of time.

Screw the constitution. It can always be ammended so arguing over our founding father’s intentions is a waste of time.

Funny thing with the US constitution and the founding fathers cult: what they said is the Word of God, not to be questioned, unless they appear to have meant something that you’re not comfortable with.

To an unbiased observer, it is quite obvious that a “well-regulated militia” doesn’t mean a bunch of drunken rednecks yelling “Yeee-hawww!!!” and emptying clips of 7.62 mm ammo into the air.

So it’s just like the Bible. You just choose the commandment you wish to obey, screw the rest.

No British spelling to be seen…

I think Washingzeus will strike Phil dead for his blasphemy!

Simple animal defense training can teach even 10 year olds how to handle themselves around energetic dogs, most people would rather be afraid of the big mean 40lb pit bull than learn how to handle them. It’s a shame that people can spend hundreds of years breeding an animal to purpose and then abandon them in fear.

Pit Bull? HA these dogs have been proven to be mentally unstable over the years….if you want a good dog to be a family pet as well as protect your home get a german or dutch shepherd. these are some of the best dogs out there, they are very loving with family and friends, very smart, and athletic. Police and Military mainly use these 2 dogs and theres a reason for that. Look up some breed info on the 2 and see what ya think. But trust me, I have 2 german sheperds; both are 3 years old and they have been a true gift to the family over the last 3 years. They have a natural instinct to protect their owners but they seem to naturally know when it’s nessecary to do so. these dogs mainly look to see fear in the owner first. suspicious lurkers will get no further than placing their hand on your gate latch.

It’s peculiar how some people can be intelligent about one thing but so dumb about the other. Phil, from what I’ve gathered from the comments, it seems you have the wrong ideas about guns and dogs, almost hypocritical. You mention that a potentially dangerous dog is a bad way to protect your house. But a gun is not (“A dog won’t protect your house. Secondly, leaving a gun tied up in the closet for it’s life won’t make it angry.”). That’s crazy talk. A properly trained guard dog seems as good a way to try to protect your home as is a gun in the hands of a properly trained user. We can disagree on that to some degree, as both have their advantages and disadvantages. But on the whole I think my statement is accurate. But the problem stems from the dog owners and gun users that misuse the product, may it be the gun or the dog, resulting in unwanted injuries and death. You are confused if you think that guns are a better alternative to protecting your home. The simple truth is that home-protecting guns kill more people they never intended than guard dogs ever will. Furthermore, and this may not apply to you, Phil, but if we ban a dog that is dangerous to the general population because of misuse, then we need to do the same for guns. End of story, you cannot have one line of thought w/o the other. You also mention that burglars would hardly find it worth the risk to break into a home to steal a gun. REALLY??? If most Americans do own guns and burglars are scarred of that, why they hell would they break in in the first place. Do common criminals really stake a home and some how make sure an owner doesn’t own a gun. I don’t think so. And I do believe criminals would specifically target a home to steal a firearm. Am I wrong here, people?

The American Pit Bull Terrier has a strong pleasure to please. The APBT has evoked more human emotional, rational, and irrational response than any other breed that exists today. By no means are these dogs people-haters or people-eaters.

Posters and people in general can “believe” what they want about a particular breed of dog. Get educated and research before making a comment or reporting a “wrong”. I argue with poster hfb – it is definitely not the breed. If you research the breeds that municipalities are now listing as “banned/bully breeds” they include: Pit Bull, German Shepard, and Rottweiler. Can you identify the difference between a Pit Bull and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or some other bull dog? Especially since most Pit Bulls are now mixed with another breed. Can you spot a German Shepard versus another shepard dog? What about a Rottie? Would you allow a German Shepard dog? Are Rottweilers allowed? The Pit Bull was never used and/or bred to attack people – in its entire history. They were, and remain, a very popular family pet because of their loyalty and affection/protecton towards the children – yes children – in the family.

The fears and desires to ban and/or control (ie, sterilize) a breed is based upon the human actions of mixing breeds and the human actions of not being responsible. There are many humans that shouldn’t be breeding either!!!! At least humans, since we’re supposedly the more “intelligent” animal, are supposed to know better. REALLY?!

I have a pit-mix. Who knows exactly what he is mixed with, the adoption network had the sign outside his cage identified as a “shepard-mix”. HAH. There ain’t an ounce of shepard in the guy. Of course, “pit-mix” might have left him unadoptable. Yet, as I mentioned, the Shepard is also a “bully” breed. I knew instantly that he had pit in him – brindle coloring and the wide mouth/jaw line. He is by far, the most submissive dog I know. He rolls over and shows you his belly – whether you’re human or another dog – as soon as he sees you. Of course, I’m a responsible dog owner and understand that ALL DOGS need training, exercise, and a leader.

I own a red nose pit.He sleeps and plays with my cats,I take him to the dog park once a week and even when the other dogs are agresive towards him he does not return the aggresion.I have a 7 year old and a two year old who play with him. He is a family pet and I will in my own little way prove wrong everyone who thinks all pit’s are mean.The way they are raised and taught effects there behavior much more than the breed.ask any animal shelter worker.I am a responsible dog owner and I would rather move to a diffrent country than let someone ban me from having my dog or make me sterilize him.Judge the deed , not the breed!

Our family owns four dogs, one of which is a pit bull. His name is Bubba but most generally we call him “stupid” because he tries to pick on our gaurd dogs. As far as we can see, our pit bull is the most loving breed we have towards humans. I would tend to disagree with the fact that dogs are not very good at protecting homes and family. Last year,our home was unsucessfully burglarized because one of our gaurd dogs, Lucky, was inside. The burglar supposedly entered through the back door of our home and had just enough time to exit out the front door as our mixed blue healer, Lucky, snapped at his heels. We believe that guns are an effective way of protection, weather it be home invasion or the like, but will fail to protect the residence if noone is home. As far as breed goes, there is something to say about hereditary natures, but in most cases, training and good health of a K9 will overcome most hereditary traits. We do have a lot of experience with these dogs, considering we’ve owned many in the past, and my son, Jesse, works at a no-kill facility.

I must say, I am an 18 year old girl with a pit bull as a pet. He is the light of my life and has not been vicious towards me or anyone who comes on our property. ANNNYYY dog can be mean or ferocious, it is all on what the owner teaches this dog. We cannot penalize these dogs who know no better than what they’ve been taught, attack! I’m sure I could easily train a Golden Retriever to be an attack dog if I so pleased. If you would really like to know, I found my dog in a verrryy busy intersection in the heart of the city. He was dodging cars and looked quite skinny, so I opened my car door to see if he was okay and he hopped in like he’s been mine since he was born. My mom, a very stereotypical person, like most said “NO WAY! You are not keeping this Pit Bull I don’t care, they are vicious and he will bite someone and then we’ll be sued!!” Well, needless to say, I got her to let me keep him under one condition, he be professionally evaluated by a family friend who happens to be on the state police K9 unit. Like all of us, he was shocked with Brutus’ temperment and affection. I have never found a dog so sweet and loving who has been through only God knows what and still love humans unconditionally. Might I add, there are mannnyy other dogs out there who are categorized as more vicious than a Pit Bull, such as, but not limited to, Rottweiler, German Shepards, Dalmations, Boxers and a Doberman. I rest my case at that!

free ridin franklin, pits are not bread to fight. they are breed to rescue. its people like your ignorant ass you bitch that think that. pits are sweet

obviously, people who decide pitbulls should be sterilized because they are considered dangerous have never owned one. my pit, tuffy, is the most loveable and smart dog i have ever owned. a dog raised with love as a child will only learn to love not cause harm.

i own a pit and yes, he does guard my property but does not just look for fights as you dumb asses think. he, as you and i, will only fight when your life is threatened.think about that one fools. should you be sterilized because someone pulled a gun on you and you did everything humanly possibe to protect yourself?

The first thing folks is there are 25 breeds that are mistaken for a pitt bull. I read farther up that 200 deaths were from pitt bulls how many of them were actually pitts. And secondly there has only been 400 dog related deaths in 30 years of which 30 some breeds were held accountable. I own a pitt and any one who thinks they are any more vicious than any other breed obviviously never have been in contact with one. Check your facts!!! The AKC conducted a temperment test of all the breeds and pitt bulls scored the highest of all breeds on average. So my little monster who loves to lick and cuddle and loves everyone and everything is a KILLER?