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		<title>By: Arttu</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9642</link>
		<dc:creator>Arttu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha ha... Man... What is it about Swedish that gets people's goats? Minorities are usually a cultural bounty, not a bane, you nimrods. Swedish is a nice language. Knowing one more of those never killed anyone. Geez... How can it be so hard to tolerate a bunch of white people that speak a different language? I really feel for the dermapigmentally challenged in this country now.

And Ã…landers hopefully realize how lucky they were back in the day. The alternate reality stares them in the face in the form of Gotland...

I would like to see the position of Finnish language improved, both there AND in Sweden:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha&#8230; Man&#8230; What is it about Swedish that gets people&#8217;s goats? Minorities are usually a cultural bounty, not a bane, you nimrods. Swedish is a nice language. Knowing one more of those never killed anyone. Geez&#8230; How can it be so hard to tolerate a bunch of white people that speak a different language? I really feel for the dermapigmentally challenged in this country now.</p>
<p>And Ã…landers hopefully realize how lucky they were back in the day. The alternate reality stares them in the face in the form of Gotland&#8230;</p>
<p>I would like to see the position of Finnish language improved, both there AND in Sweden:-)</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9574</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was about Ã…land, why did it turn into discussion about bilingualism.
And talking about Ã…land and bilingualism in same thread is somewhat ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was about Ã…land, why did it turn into discussion about bilingualism.<br />
And talking about Ã…land and bilingualism in same thread is somewhat ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Joonas</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9547</link>
		<dc:creator>Joonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous: &lt;i&gt;Joonas, talking about an endless monologue?&lt;/i&gt;

Anonymous, talking about adding something valuable or useful to the &lt;i&gt;dialogue&lt;/i&gt;... ;)

Anton: &lt;i&gt;As a Finnish-Swedish I always find this sort of stuff hilarious, that the â€œReal Finnsâ€ think â€œweâ€ somewhow think of ourselfs as better people. Itâ€™s just a language, canâ€™t we all just get along?&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, it would be interesting to know why some of us Finns still seem to love spreading those age-old stereotypes. Maybe it's just a simple way of trying to get acceptance among certain people - you know, like making fun of the fat kid on the playground so that the other ones wont laugh at your glasses or somethin? ;)

Not something you would expect to keep going on in todays world where borders, nationalities, race, sexual preferences etc. are fast loosing ground as dividers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous: <i>Joonas, talking about an endless monologue?</i></p>
<p>Anonymous, talking about adding something valuable or useful to the <i>dialogue</i>&#8230; <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anton: <i>As a Finnish-Swedish I always find this sort of stuff hilarious, that the â€œReal Finnsâ€ think â€œweâ€ somewhow think of ourselfs as better people. Itâ€™s just a language, canâ€™t we all just get along?</i></p>
<p>Yeah, it would be interesting to know why some of us Finns still seem to love spreading those age-old stereotypes. Maybe it&#8217;s just a simple way of trying to get acceptance among certain people - you know, like making fun of the fat kid on the playground so that the other ones wont laugh at your glasses or somethin? <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Not something you would expect to keep going on in todays world where borders, nationalities, race, sexual preferences etc. are fast loosing ground as dividers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9542</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>""Just read some of the comments about how the Swedish-speakers think that they are somehow better people and so on and so on? Then when you mix in the already hated Ã…land issue, you can start an endless monologue on how wrong that all is, and poor us, blah blah blah.""

As a Finnish-Swedish I always find this sort of stuff hilarious, that the "Real Finns" think "we" somewhow think of ourselfs as better people. It's just a language, can't we all just get along? :D

""Finnish should be the only nationally official language as it is the only language really spoken nation-wide. Individual municipalities can choose their off.icial languages according to their population.""

Well the people who founded this country and wrote the constitution would disagree with you."The greatest Finn of all time" Mannerheim would disagree with you.

I see bilingualism as an asset, it's a shame more people don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Just read some of the comments about how the Swedish-speakers think that they are somehow better people and so on and so on? Then when you mix in the already hated Ã…land issue, you can start an endless monologue on how wrong that all is, and poor us, blah blah blah.&#8221;"</p>
<p>As a Finnish-Swedish I always find this sort of stuff hilarious, that the &#8220;Real Finns&#8221; think &#8220;we&#8221; somewhow think of ourselfs as better people. It&#8217;s just a language, can&#8217;t we all just get along? <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Finnish should be the only nationally official language as it is the only language really spoken nation-wide. Individual municipalities can choose their off.icial languages according to their population.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Well the people who founded this country and wrote the constitution would disagree with you.&#8221;The greatest Finn of all time&#8221; Mannerheim would disagree with you.</p>
<p>I see bilingualism as an asset, it&#8217;s a shame more people don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek (el Greco)</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9541</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek (el Greco)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh come on!!!

they sell you cheap alcohol, what else can you ask for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh come on!!!</p>
<p>they sell you cheap alcohol, what else can you ask for?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9539</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"an endless monologue"

Joonas, talking about an endless monologue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;an endless monologue&#8221;</p>
<p>Joonas, talking about an endless monologue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9538</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Jos lasketaan yhteen valtion budjetista maksettavat elinkeinotuet ja EU:n maksamat tuet, Ahvenanmaalla maksettavat elinkeinotuet ovat yli puolet korkeampia kuin muualla Suomessa maksettavat tuet keskimÃ¤Ã¤rin."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jos lasketaan yhteen valtion budjetista maksettavat elinkeinotuet ja EU:n maksamat tuet, Ahvenanmaalla maksettavat elinkeinotuet ovat yli puolet korkeampia kuin muualla Suomessa maksettavat tuet keskimÃ¤Ã¤rin.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9537</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Tarkastelujakson aikana on kÃ¤ynyt ilmi, ettÃ¤ Ahvenanmaa on ollut nettosaaja ja ettÃ¤ valtion Ahvenanmaahan liittyvÃ¤t menot ovat olleet 100?200 miljoonaa markkaa valtion Ahvenanmaalta saamia verotuloja suuremmat."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tarkastelujakson aikana on kÃ¤ynyt ilmi, ettÃ¤ Ahvenanmaa on ollut nettosaaja ja ettÃ¤ valtion Ahvenanmaahan liittyvÃ¤t menot ovat olleet 100?200 miljoonaa markkaa valtion Ahvenanmaalta saamia verotuloja suuremmat.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eino-Kalevi</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9534</link>
		<dc:creator>Eino-Kalevi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finnish should be the only nationally official language as it is the only language really spoken nation-wide. Individual municipalities can choose their official languages according to their population.

"They propably will, as long as the buyer isn't from mainland Finland."

At least the only company I know from Ã…land (PAF) has served mainland customers with great enthusiasm and even in Finnish. They even got compliments from the Finnish Supreme Court for that!   =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finnish should be the only nationally official language as it is the only language really spoken nation-wide. Individual municipalities can choose their official languages according to their population.</p>
<p>&#8220;They propably will, as long as the buyer isn&#8217;t from mainland Finland.&#8221;</p>
<p>At least the only company I know from Ã…land (PAF) has served mainland customers with great enthusiasm and even in Finnish. They even got compliments from the Finnish Supreme Court for that!   =)</p>
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		<title>By: Joonas</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9532</link>
		<dc:creator>Joonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Itâ€™s quite ironic actually: this small minority (swedish speakers) of less than 5 % of the population has achieved a situation where the majority of people have to...&lt;/i&gt;

Oh god, not this again... I mean seriously, don't you guys ever do anything else than sit around and wait for a moment when somebody uses the magic word &lt;i&gt;Swedish&lt;/i&gt; in context of language?

Have you ever thought, that just because the Swedish-speaking minority on the mainland speak the same language as the majority of people in Ã…land doesn't mean that they are just one generic bunch of people, who share same kinds of problems and therefore also have the same interests?

Ã…land is an autonomous part of Finland, and that itself is enough to anger certain people who are always more than happy to thow out any kinds of halfthruts or urban legends when it comes to Ã…land. Just like that claim that people in Ã…land wouldn't have to pay taxes.

The same people also seem to have a grudge against the fact that there is a Swedish-speaking minority in this country. Just read some of the comments about how the Swedish-speakers think that they are somehow better people and so on and so on... Then when you mix in the already hated Ã…land issue, you can start an endless monologue on how wrong that all is, and poor us, blah blah blah.

Just as the urban legend about the turkish pizzeria owner who used to spike up his pizzas with bodily fluids or all black people are at least suspicious, these kinds of attitudes are based on something else than facts. And I for one am sick and tired of always hearing them.

Why is it that you can't simply look at how things really are without all those prejudices and then start a discussion about the things that need fixing? Now there are probably several issues between mainland Finland and the government of the Ã…land islands that could be done in a smarter way and there are certain stupid manners and stubborn people on both sides. That's life.

Are we stil so unsecure in who we are that we can't talk about issues such as Ã…land or the status of the Swedish language in Finland without always ending up in these mindless debates that do not lead anywhere? &lt;i&gt;They don't pay taxes.&lt;/i&gt; I mean really, come on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Itâ€™s quite ironic actually: this small minority (swedish speakers) of less than 5 % of the population has achieved a situation where the majority of people have to&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Oh god, not this again&#8230; I mean seriously, don&#8217;t you guys ever do anything else than sit around and wait for a moment when somebody uses the magic word <i>Swedish</i> in context of language?</p>
<p>Have you ever thought, that just because the Swedish-speaking minority on the mainland speak the same language as the majority of people in Ã…land doesn&#8217;t mean that they are just one generic bunch of people, who share same kinds of problems and therefore also have the same interests?</p>
<p>Ã…land is an autonomous part of Finland, and that itself is enough to anger certain people who are always more than happy to thow out any kinds of halfthruts or urban legends when it comes to Ã…land. Just like that claim that people in Ã…land wouldn&#8217;t have to pay taxes.</p>
<p>The same people also seem to have a grudge against the fact that there is a Swedish-speaking minority in this country. Just read some of the comments about how the Swedish-speakers think that they are somehow better people and so on and so on&#8230; Then when you mix in the already hated Ã…land issue, you can start an endless monologue on how wrong that all is, and poor us, blah blah blah.</p>
<p>Just as the urban legend about the turkish pizzeria owner who used to spike up his pizzas with bodily fluids or all black people are at least suspicious, these kinds of attitudes are based on something else than facts. And I for one am sick and tired of always hearing them.</p>
<p>Why is it that you can&#8217;t simply look at how things really are without all those prejudices and then start a discussion about the things that need fixing? Now there are probably several issues between mainland Finland and the government of the Ã…land islands that could be done in a smarter way and there are certain stupid manners and stubborn people on both sides. That&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>Are we stil so unsecure in who we are that we can&#8217;t talk about issues such as Ã…land or the status of the Swedish language in Finland without always ending up in these mindless debates that do not lead anywhere? <i>They don&#8217;t pay taxes.</i> I mean really, come on!</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9531</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting facts &lt;a href="http://www.vm.fi/tiedostot/pdf/fi/89811.pdf"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt; Seems like the system works reasonably enough, for now. Ã…land, with 0.5% of the population generates 0.75% of the Finnish GNP, and is hardly dependant on "Finn handouts".

A few quotes for Anonymous at 9.49 pm:

"PitkÃ¤llÃ¤ aikavÃ¤lillÃ¤ tulojen ja menojen vÃ¤lillÃ¤ vallitsee teoreettinen tasopaino. Koska maakunnan saaman tasoituksen mÃ¤Ã¤rÃ¤ vaihtelee valtion tulojen mukaan, merkitsee tÃ¤mÃ¤n pitkÃ¤llÃ¤ aikavÃ¤lillÃ¤ maakunnan menojen muuttamista valtion menojen kehityksen mukaan."

"TasoitusmÃ¤Ã¤rÃ¤n sitominen valtion tuloihin eikÃ¤ menoihin ei muuta sitÃ¤ seikkaa, ettÃ¤ Ahvenanmaan maakunnan on noudatettava vastaava pidÃ¤ttyvyyttÃ¤ menotaloudessaan kuin valtakunnankin."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting facts <a href="http://www.vm.fi/tiedostot/pdf/fi/89811.pdf">here.</a> Seems like the system works reasonably enough, for now. Ã…land, with 0.5% of the population generates 0.75% of the Finnish GNP, and is hardly dependant on &#8220;Finn handouts&#8221;.</p>
<p>A few quotes for Anonymous at 9.49 pm:</p>
<p>&#8220;PitkÃ¤llÃ¤ aikavÃ¤lillÃ¤ tulojen ja menojen vÃ¤lillÃ¤ vallitsee teoreettinen tasopaino. Koska maakunnan saaman tasoituksen mÃ¤Ã¤rÃ¤ vaihtelee valtion tulojen mukaan, merkitsee tÃ¤mÃ¤n pitkÃ¤llÃ¤ aikavÃ¤lillÃ¤ maakunnan menojen muuttamista valtion menojen kehityksen mukaan.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;TasoitusmÃ¤Ã¤rÃ¤n sitominen valtion tuloihin eikÃ¤ menoihin ei muuta sitÃ¤ seikkaa, ettÃ¤ Ahvenanmaan maakunnan on noudatettava vastaava pidÃ¤ttyvyyttÃ¤ menotaloudessaan kuin valtakunnankin.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9530</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik, it's not as simple as 1+1=2.

"&lt;i&gt;TÃ¤mÃ¤ mÃ¤Ã¤rÃ¤raha on 0,45 prosenttia valtion tilinpÃ¤Ã¤tÃ¶ksen tuloista lukuun ottamatta valtion lainoja.&lt;/i&gt;

So, no matter what the public expenditure is, they get 0,45% of government incomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, it&#8217;s not as simple as 1+1=2.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>TÃ¤mÃ¤ mÃ¤Ã¤rÃ¤raha on 0,45 prosenttia valtion tilinpÃ¤Ã¤tÃ¶ksen tuloista lukuun ottamatta valtion lainoja.</i></p>
<p>So, no matter what the public expenditure is, they get 0,45% of government incomes.</p>
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		<title>By: sppuuddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sppuuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i say set them free  the wannabe swedes look down on all things finnish but yet  they rely on finn handouts. they want to be swedes lets let them be swedes see how sweden treats them,
 and we will see how long it takes for them to claim to the swede government that they are a finnish minority group and need financial support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i say set them free  the wannabe swedes look down on all things finnish but yet  they rely on finn handouts. they want to be swedes lets let them be swedes see how sweden treats them,<br />
 and we will see how long it takes for them to claim to the swede government that they are a finnish minority group and need financial support.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Ã…land get 0,45% of the tax revenues, and the Ã…land population is 0,5%. What's the problem, then?

One possible solution is, indeed, to let Ã…land take care of their own taxation, and to independently use their tax money how they see fit. But I'm sure all the Finnish Bobrikov wannabees would scream bloody murder for that, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Ã…land get 0,45% of the tax revenues, and the Ã…land population is 0,5%. What&#8217;s the problem, then?</p>
<p>One possible solution is, indeed, to let Ã…land take care of their own taxation, and to independently use their tax money how they see fit. But I&#8217;m sure all the Finnish Bobrikov wannabees would scream bloody murder for that, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Paper</title>
		<link>http://www.finlandforthought.net/2005/09/30/dot-ax/#comment-9527</link>
		<dc:creator>Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the swedish speakers in Finland note the same discrimination if you are outside of Ring 3 :) :) Grankulla snobs don't count. They thnk they are better than everyone. Their sh1t doesn't stink.. they send the smells to Vantaa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the swedish speakers in Finland note the same discrimination if you are outside of Ring 3 <img src='http://www.finlandforthought.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> :) Grankulla snobs don&#8217;t count. They thnk they are better than everyone. Their sh1t doesn&#8217;t stink.. they send the smells to Vantaa.</p>
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